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Footy: The Doggies won the 2016 Premiership!! Soccer: From Ronaldo to Ronaldinho to Messi and seemingly back to another Ronaldo. Full circle!

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I rewatched this game recently, it was excellent for three quarters. One matchup was Burgoyne vs Akermanis, it doesn’t get better than that.

I decided that, while other games have what-ifs, the way this game shaped up with Lynch getting injured Brisbane were absolutely never winning it. They had only one functional forward in Bradshaw and no run. Meanwhile Black was annulled like you said. They only stayed in it for three quarters because of their experience.

A shame the commentators were the vanilla Channel 10 ones. Bruce would have hyped up the four-peat/historical angles and made the game seem more once in a generation, because it was.

Looking back at the 2004 AFL grand final

Oh you can write them off I assure you. Last year it took them a good 15 rounds to get into stride (and it’s not a given that would even happen this year). No one has a spare 15 rounds to fart around this year.

Poor efforts, weak defending dooming dysfunctional Dogs

Quite the opposite, Beveridge tried too hard to keep the team on edge after the premiership rather than just let them do their thing.

Poor efforts, weak defending dooming dysfunctional Dogs

Strongly disagree, to say the younger players (ie almost all of them) were not responsible for the premiership is blatantly false. They won because every single player delivered and because their midfield got the ball a lot more than the opposition. The midfield core were all 20-24 in 2016. The player most responsible for the win IMO was Macrae, just turned 22.

M Boyd, Picken, Dickson and Morris provided solidity and experience but they were not the number one factor in them winning. To say Stringer was a key factor is pushing it to a comical degree if you look up his stats.

The Western Bulldogs have everything to lose in 2020

Strongly disagree. Premiership was mostly won by the team’s uniform consistency and by the midfield getting the ball heaps more than the opposition, that midfield core were all 20-24 years old in 2016.

MBoyd, Morris and Picken and Dickson provided good leadership and solidity but you cannot say the young players were not responsible for the win. At minimum, saying Stringer played a major part is really pushing it.

The Western Bulldogs have everything to lose in 2020

Collingwood is the most storied club in VFL/AFL history but the author’s questions are legitimate. Why did they lose all those grand finals? What needs to be done to improve? If you want to keep improving you cannot assume anything about yourself, certainly no one can afford the complacency of calling themselves the greatest anything if they actually have plans to keep striving.

The 15 most irritating Collingwood moments of all time: Part 3

Martin Flanagan’s 100-page work ‘1970’ is mostly about Collingwood and these sorts of issues. I did a poor man’s review of this once, his essay is more about Carlton-Collingwood than Melb-Coll but the issues are the same.

Brent Crosswell, Martin Flanagan and 1970

The 50s Demons are basically lost in time/pre-TV, but I found them interesting as a subject to a degree. The book ‘The Red Fox’ about Norm Smith covers this era. It’s too frickin long to be interesting and barely touches the Collingwood side of things, but I found this an interesting reversal, since the 64 Grand Final is always told from the Collingwood side now. The book describes the tension of the whole day of the 64 GF from Melbourne’s perspective and says Melbourne players were weeping with relief in the dressing room at having won it, which is a change of perspective in how that game is usually reported.

The 15 most irritating Collingwood moments of all time: Part 2

Great reads.

The 15 most irritating Collingwood moments of all time: Part 2

I liked that North team a lot, their consistency come finals time the whole decade was almost legendary. One thing I read was that North was the only major premier of the decade who were not an elite defence, almost a throwback team in a way, although of course they had their strengths and strategies.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 1

West Coast 2018 turned out to be about 10-15 centimetres (Sheed ball to goalpost) better than Collingwood in the end, not exactly clear cut 😉

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

Interesting about the percentages, I have heard that one before.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 1

I can’t just ignore that a team won a premiership, and it does mean they are the best team for at least a month. But I haven’t elaborated on these eg Dogs 16.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

For the record, I reckon Collingwood was the best team in 92, just about, but the top 6 finals system screwed them.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

“Undisputed” in the title is a mistake, but it’s interesting that just about everyone has been able to be it at some stage.

I privately (or maybe not so privately now) consider that Geelong team as better than three-peat Hawthorn, but their opposition was harder. Hard to really know, Geelong and Hawthorn played some great games but their peaks didn’t exactly correspond.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

I suppose technically I could have included “Start 2005” for West Coast.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

West Coast didn’t convince me towards the end of 05. They had a loss against Geelong that was really, really weak, I couldn’t call them definitely the best team after that.

They got unlucky at the end of 07 but ultimately didn’t win a final and you can’t say anyone approached Geelong that year in a larger sense.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

St Kilda also lost to Geelong and Adelaide in 97.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

I’ll admit Dogs 97 is an extremely selective argument. They were terrible during July and I just completely ignored that.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

Haha, well I couldn’t just completely ignore teams winning premierships, that’s just far too hipster even for me. 😁 You’ll notice I didn’t talk about those situations at length though.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 1

Three of Melbourne’s four finals in 1988 were in the rain, weird.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

September counts some here. It counts a lot for fans and for history obviously.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

I’ll admit that the word ‘undisputed’ probably shouldn’t be used in the title here 😁 especially regarding Bulldogs, Dockers, perhaps Crows 06.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

– Nine losses (ten in 98) is an awful lot to say that this team was definitely the best all year. I can’t think of another premiership team who comes anywhere near that low 13-9 record.

– Full credit for what happened afterwards but from a look at the tables Adelaide limped into September 97 for the last 4 H&A games.

– I don’t care about 130-point wins against wooden spoonists in front of partisan crowds. Those sorts of games just pad the stats. Ten years ago, Geelong beating Richmond by 157 were still not real. They were real when they beat West Coast the next week.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 1

To be fair, it was Hawthorn’s second match of the finals series, Melbourne’s fourth. Maybe that had a little to do with it. Melbourne beat them in 88 and 89 H&A, they weren’t so bad. Very inconsistent though it seems looking at their results.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 2

One difference is NMelb ended 12-10, Freo minor premiers. North had another six teams right on their behind, Freo could slump and still finish top.

I agree that the ‘undisputed’ in the title is simply not true, there was always the understanding through 2015 that Freo would have to take on Hawthorn at the business end, they were never undisputed. But they were the top all year (even if a little dubiously towards the end)… dunno where I’m going with this really, but start 2015 was Freo’s time in the sun. Hawthorn were 4-4, Eagles were more of a second-half 2015, at the start no one was close to Freo, at least for wins and losses.

When was your team the undisputed best in the AFL? Part 1