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Love a good conspiracy theory! Don’t be discouraged by the nay sayers like Dr Disnick Jack, he’s obviously been got to by the faceless men lurking in the shadows. Keep asking the tough questions, the truth is out there… or is it?

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I agree YOTD that Siddle hasn’t been great, and from what I understand was pretty ordinary last night, however in his defence he has bowled well at times and suffered more than his fair share of dropped catches. I suppose what I was more referring to was the use of the unit as a whole eg managing Pattinson’s workload so he doesn’t break down, Starc being kept in reserve so that the first time the Poms see him for the series is when the conditions most suit him and he has the greatest chance of being successful. From that point of view I think they have been outstanding. At the end of the day all the selectors can do is give individual players the opportunity to succeed, it is then up to the individual to perform.

Humble pie all 'round as Mitch Marsh rips through England

You need 20 wickets to win a test match and Smith hasn’t got any of those. As far as selection and management goes, JL and the team couldn’t have done a better job, particularly with the bowling unit. This was only reinforced overnight with Marsh ripping through the English middle order.

Dropping Head for Marsh was a mistake

Another inspired selection by JL and the selectors, can’t put a foot wrong it seems. The management of the bowling unit on this tour has been nothing short of genius.

Humble pie all 'round as Mitch Marsh rips through England

No anon, it’s actually a great example of exaggeration because, and correct me if I’m wrong, you need to take 20 wickets to win a test match and Smith is wicketless so far in this series.

Egos shelved, sleeves rolled up: Langer, Paine instil blueprint for success abroad

Why? So you’ve got a reason to bag the bloke who’s the coach of an Australian team that’s just achieved something that hasn’t happened in 18 years? Take the blinkers off mate and enjoy it! And if you are are describing an extreme case of nepotism I would have thought it’s nepotism at its best, not worst. You can at least get the hyperbole correct surely.

Dropping Head for Marsh was a mistake

So a grand total of 2 WA players have been picked in the entire series and that qualify’s as parochialism? Langer is coaching a team that has just achieved something that hasn’t been done in 18 years, you think he’s being ‘saved’ at the moment, and you think he’s the one being parochial? Dear oh dear…

Dropping Head for Marsh was a mistake

I agree DaveJ, get rid of them, their recent record speaks for itself, bloody disgraceful!

Dropping Head for Marsh was a mistake

Stop making so much sense Neil, it’s much more entertaining to watch the conspiracy theorists babble on a bit, lunch breaks coming up after all.

Dropping Head for Marsh was a mistake

The criticism that will come from retaining or possibly winning the Ashes on English soil for the first time in 18 years you mean? You’re right, they should hang their heads in shame, sack the lot of them I say!

Tim Paine explains Mitch Marsh's latest shock Test recall

Well we’ve won enough tests to retain the Ashes, and that’s the actual point of the exercise isn’t it? The way the team, country, and the vast majority of cricket fans reacted the other night would suggest they agree with me, but feel free to split hairs all you want. It’s great to hear your support for Langer, and who knows what the future will bring, but if you can’t give an ‘accolade’ or two to someone who has just achieved something that hasn’t been done in 18 years, well I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

Australia retain Ashes in a thriller

Well you also need to take 20 wickets to win a test and Smith didn’t get any of those. I agree there are some obvious issues with the top order and Langer must accept his share of responsibility for that. However, by the same token, the ongoing success of the bowling unit should also not be overlooked and if you are going to blame Langer for aspects of team performance which are below par then I would think it’s only fair that you give him credit for aspects of the teams performance that have been very good. We did win after all. Do you think Langer should be coach?

Australia retain Ashes in a thriller

Apart from the fact that Smith was undoubtedly the main reason we won the Ashes with a performance that defies description, I couldn’t disagree with you more JGK. As I said I my first post effective management is about getting the most out of your bowling group taking into account all of the variables around injury, individual strengths and playing conditions, which Langer and his team have done to perfection in this series.
Cummins – management isn’t just about resting blokes, it’s about getting your best players on the field ready to perform, of which resting forms a part. From what I saw Cummins was the best performed bowler across all conditions, and there were no injury concerns, so I would suggest that not resting him was not ‘no management’ but in fact effective management.
Lyon – there’s no question that after the first test Lyon has not been as effective as we would have liked however this is a form issues, so unless you are seriously suggesting that we drop a guy who has just gone past DK in terms of test wickets taken, then there’s only so much that can be done from a management point of view. Let’s also remember that if it wasn’t for a questionable umpiring decision and poor use of reviews Lyon would be forever remembered as the hero who stopped Stokes and won us the Ashes.
Pattinson – What they want from Pattinson is a) not to get injured and leave us a bowler down, and b) along with Siddle (who bowled beautifully when called upon) provide high quality, bang it into the pitch line and length bowling in conditions that suited them. This then allowed Langer and the selectors to keep Starc (who is an impact bowler these days, not line and length) in their back pocket so the first time the Poms saw him for the series was when he had the greatest opportunity to be most effective.
But apart from that your absolutely right, the success of the bowling group ‘doesn’t reflect either way’ on Langer or the selectors. Just curious JGK, do you think that Langer contributed positively in any way to the team achieving something that hasn’t been done in 18 years?

Australia retain Ashes in a thriller

Well Smith didn’t play in the 3rd test and they should have won that if not for one of the greatest individual performances in Ashes history and some uncharacteristic errors in the field. I’m curious JGK, does the outstanding management of the bowling unit, taking into account the complexities around injury management and ensuring the skill sets of particular bowlers are used when the conditions best suit and they can have the most impact, which resulted in Australia retaining the Ashes on English soil for the first time in, you know, 18 years, reflect ‘well’ on Langer?

Australia retain Ashes in a thriller

Outstanding effort from the playing group however massive congrats must go the Justin Langer and his fellow selectors. The way they have managed the bowling group (keeping Starc on ice until the conditions suited him most and he could have the greatest impact) has been an absolute master stroke, with the results speaking for themselves. Langer has now cemented his place in Australian cricketing folklore, and deserves every bit of it. What a legend!

Australia retain Ashes in a thriller

It’s not about apologies, legends or glory days Rob, it’s about getting your facts in order before you bag a bloke, I would have though that’s been pretty standard across the eras.

There are two vastly different Shaun Marshes playing for Australia

Well he took that one alright for a bloke that can’t catch didn’t he Rob! Looks like they are hiding him at first slip because, you know, he’s ‘good for a drop’. Obviously you know something that they don’t.

There are two vastly different Shaun Marshes playing for Australia

Everyone drops catches Rob. Did you know that between 2010-2015 Australia missed/dropped 21.8% of their catching/stumping opprtunities (Tracking the Misses – ESPNcricketinfo.com)? So taking into account the 5 dropped catches you have highlighted, and even adding another 50% and rounding up for a total of 8, this means that Marsh drop rate of 20% (40/8) is the team average. If you have some figures that contradict this Rob feel free to share them.
As far as your statement about him being slow, well here we go again. Say’s who Rob? You? I don’t hear any of the commentators making any comments along these lines. Obviously you see more than they do from your vantage point on the couch.
But you know what Rob, if you think it’s OK to criticise a player by making statements based on ‘facts’ that turn out to be incorrect, or that you have just flat out made up, then you are absolutely right, there is no point continuing this argument. Enjoy the game today mate, although I note that Marsh is out so I look forward (according to your theory) to Australia powering onto 300+. We’ll see.

There are two vastly different Shaun Marshes playing for Australia

I think the word you are looking for is ‘No’ Rob, you don’t have any examples of what you said occurred the other night actually occurring. Nothing like being able to admit when your wrong is there mate? I wonder if that’s because it did happen and everyone missed it, or in fact it didn’t happen and you made it up to support your obviously biased narrative.
‘He does drop a lot of catches’ – once again what is your evidence of this.? You give any example of 1 dropped catch in the Ashes (which certainly should have been taken) and then your second example, if I read it correctly, is one where Marsh actually took the catch but failed to stay in the field of play?!? Nothing sums up your obvious bias more than the fact that you use an example of Marsh taking a catch as evidence that he drops catches?!? What about the excellent catch he took to remove Faf in the ODI earlier this season? Or does that not count? Or is this another example of a statement on your behalf that has no basis in fact, and that you made up?
As far as what is going through the mind of an international player when they are taking a quick single against Marsh, who the hell knows “Run Fast!’ would be my guess. I prefer to operate in facts – you know, things that actually happened – rather than what I ‘rekon’. Maybe you should consider doing the same before delving into the far more complex realm of mind reading.

There are two vastly different Shaun Marshes playing for Australia

‘I named Marsh. UK and Stonis as being reasons India picked up more runs.’ – Fair enough Rob, all I’m asking for is an example of where this actually happened ie misfield, dropped catch, comment from commentary team about Marsh being ‘slow to the ball’. I would have thought that’s a pretty reasonable request?

There are two vastly different Shaun Marshes playing for Australia

So now you’re having a go at his fielding? Based on what? Are you suggesting that you can judge fielding performance based on a ratio of catches to games played? Does this mean that Mark Taylor (114/56) was better at ‘moving quickly’, ‘taking half chances’ or ‘wanting the ball’ than both Ricky Ponting (375/160) and Jonty Rhodes (245/105)? From what I can see the only thing this ratio tells you is where a player fields ie in a position where catches are more likely to go (slips, gully etc). To answer your question Finch is not necessarily quicker or smarter than Marsh, he just fields in the slips more often.

I’m also a bit confused about your suggestion that Marsh is ‘poor’ in the field to the point that he costs the team runs. Where is the proof of this? I certainly haven’t seen any, and with the amount of coverage the game receives these days, and the fact that it every mistake is analysed and replayed within an inch of it’s life by a team of commentators, I’m struggling to remember an recent instance where Marsh’s fielding has been referred to in a negative way. Feel free to provide an example, I am more than happy to be corrected.

There are two vastly different Shaun Marshes playing for Australia