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Life Long Brisbane Rugby League supporter, first Redcliffe and now Broncos. also a mad cricket follower and casual everything else follower.

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Enjoyable article. People are getting hung up on the title, but it’s more about celebrating a lesser known great of the game.

The boy who was better than Bradman

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Thanks Jon, I wouldn’t change anything about the keepers. More that the provinces who can boast a top batting keeper can move up the rankings.

The MacGill example is not about an error or anything, more that Australia’s variety of pitches gives their states an advantage.

It’s a good discussion

Great cricketing nurseries: Which provinces have produced the best Test players?

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Cricket
 
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The way to compare wickets to run is to Times each wicket by 30, which is pretty much the historical mean batting average since WWI

Great cricketing nurseries: Which provinces have produced the best Test players?

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Cricket
 
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Never go shorter Jon, just split into more articles. I did one in the league section that turned into 28 articles!

Great cricketing nurseries: Which provinces have produced the best Test players?

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Cricket
 
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When you are putting in around 240 stats per article, I think you can be forgiven one transposition error 😊

Great cricketing nurseries: Which provinces have produced the best Test players?

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Cricket
 
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Well I am glad you gave it to the Roar, Jon. Given my experience with these types of articles, I can believe the couple of years.

Great cricketing nurseries: Which provinces have produced the best Test players?

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Yep, Cricinfo has birth place where known, but it’s not easily searchable, so hard to use as a filter. So you’d end up having to search every single test player individually.

Great cricketing nurseries: Which provinces have produced the best Test players?

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Rowdy, Jon’s criteria is different to the Shield articles. I did the ‘most games ‘ criteria. Jon’s is ‘first representative ‘ I. E State of Origin.

Great cricketing nurseries: Which provinces have produced the best Test players?

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Great analysis and great fun Jon. I haven’t read the comments yet so I may be repeating others. Some things that stood out for me, apart from intuitively agreeing that NSW was always going to win this.
1. On a per capita basis, Barbados wins hands down.
2. I might have only used batting averages of the top 6 or maybe too 8. Teams can get too big of a ‘bang for their buck’ but selecting bowling all rounders under your criteria. Particularly before say 1980, you’d get plenty of bowlers whose batting was irrelevant and they averaged single figures. Under your system a bowler who averages say 20 with the bat and 30 with the ball is more valuable to the team than one who averages 10 and 25.
3. Having a batting keeper, as opposed to the best keeper makes a huge difference. Using Walcott as a keeper pushes Barbados into third, but his average as a keeper was lower than his career average.
4. I think Australian teams may have an advantage due to the traditional diversity of pitches here. Take Western Australia. They are a strong pace bowling state, but rarely have spinners with top line stats. But Stuart MacGill moves to NSW where the pitches generally favor spin, hones his craft with more opportunities, has a batter state record and forces his way into the test team. Given the ‘state of origin’ criteria he boosts WA’s score. It’s an interesting effect I wouldn’t have thought of.
Again, top notch article with lots of food for thought.

Great cricketing nurseries: Which provinces have produced the best Test players?

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Thanks for the name drop Jon.

Great cricketing nurseries: Which provinces have produced the best Test players?

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So if you earn $100,000 your car is worth $2,000? Can you even buy a car for that these days?

The mysterious case of Latrell Mitchell's Mercedes

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I believe the next sentence where Nenesis switches from facts to derogatory opinion is why I was replying. ‘No wonder their fans are mindlessly bored’.

That attitude that AFL is a lesser sport and it’s followers are lesser fans. That led me to the conclusion that Nemesis and his ilk believe it has no place actually having popularity and influence

Ten years ago the phoney code war went ballistic

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Football
 
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Wow, I think there would be some Irish people who’d be pretty interested to hear you say that their national games has English roots.

Ten years ago the phoney code war went ballistic

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If you’d ever read on the subject you’d know that’s simply not true. The first ‘Australian Rules’ games looked very different to how they do now and it changed and developed over time.

I think you might be denying logic. The mere fact that two things are similar does not mean that one is entirely derived from the other, and does not mean that you can say with certainty which is derived from which

Ten years ago the phoney code war went ballistic

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It is it’s own sport, codified and played professionally only in Australia and has been for 150 years. So yeah, it’s slightly more Australian than Donald Trump.

Ten years ago the phoney code war went ballistic

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Yes they should just voluntarily shut down to allow football to take its God-given rightful place as the pinnacle of existence. In fact I don’t understand why governments haven’t outlawed the sport. Fancy a country thinking it could play its own sport and not just embrace the World Game!

Ten years ago the phoney code war went ballistic

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Yes but Pakistan came into this series ranked 1 in the World. They didn’t play like it , but still…

Langer has Australia purring in T20Is

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Cricket
 
3d

Wade nearly destroyed Lyon’s career, he missed so many chances standing up to the stumps.

Australia needs to plan for its wicketkeeping future

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1w

Possibly so, after the final in Sydney it’s felt like a constant decline

The Rugby World Cup final proves something needs to give

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Rugby
 
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Re your point 2 a possible unintended consequence will be that there will be a risk free path to field position with quick one out plays up the middle against a defence back pedaling to get back 5. League suffered this when they made their play the ball too fast so defenses retreating did not get set and the best way to make ground was to run one out. They even had players voluntarily submit in tackles by dropping to their knees to get quick ball out for another dummy half run

The Rugby World Cup final proves something needs to give

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Rugby
 
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While Rugby globally goes from strength to strength, in Australia we aren’t in a position to turn potential fans away

The Rugby World Cup final proves something needs to give

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Rugby
 
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And be careful of unintended consequences. The extra room for running rugby also provides extra room for gaining field position by one off hit ups down the centre.

The Rugby World Cup final proves something needs to give

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Rugby
 
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It’s another option for sure

Celebrating the Sheffield Shield: Best ever state team and the All-Time XI

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Cricket
 
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Have a like just for the effort that took!

Celebrating the Sheffield Shield: Best ever state team and the All-Time XI

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Shepherd was close to the thirds, just didn’t gave a standout season to get him over the line.

Celebrating the Sheffield Shield: Best ever WA team

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