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They’re not great…just poms want to convince themselves how great they are. I’ve seen this first hand!

What happened to England's golden era?

Yep truly a debacle this summer of cricket: leaving for ODI’s in India in January, ODI’s in SA in February, yet playing home ODI’s in March! 😱

Australia's tour of South Africa is just kinda... there

Fair enough.

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Fleming?

The Australian cricket all-time great alphabet teams: Letter D

The Shute Shield never did because rugby union has some bizarre romanticism with amateurism. The VFL & NSWRL were already proxy national leagues because they adopted semi-pro/full pro from earlier on, naturally attracting the best talent in the land due to the lucrative nature of it and prestige attached to it.

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Well Parramatta is a long way from their heartland so not surprising TWAS!

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

They’ve been forced to have limitations TWAS. Where were the pragmatic people at the ARU who said “let’s build a new landscape of professional rugby where we take our grassroots supporters/clubs/competitions along for the ride?!”

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Yes it has: the eastern suburbs and north shore of Sydney, one of the richest demographics, if not THE richest demographic in Australia! 😱

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Well, that’s literally what happened Andy! 😛

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Of course! 👍 That guy would’ve had an amazing Australian Test career except for that tragic incident which wrecked his knee: put him out of the test team for like three years?

The Australian cricket all-time great alphabet teams: Letter D

That’s what I said. Literally Edwards…and that’s it! 😱 Looks like the E’s will struggling to avoid the wooden spoon!

The Australian cricket all-time great alphabet teams: Letter D

Ryan Harris! 😱

The Australian cricket all-time great alphabet teams: Letter C

Yes, maybe you’re right about B & C. I think we’re struggling with E. I can only think of Edwards from WA???

The Australian cricket all-time great alphabet teams: Letter C

That’s ridiculous!

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Literally only met one born and bred local guy who played the sport locally. Maybe he knew, but in any case we never really spoke about rugby anyway as other things were happening, so I never thought to actually ask him that question.

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Well, at least he knew about John Welborn. 😂

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Seriously? 😱 What, they’re all mainly kiwi/PI migrants?

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Yep Muglair, that’s my criticism, they essentially built Rome in a day: went from amateur to very well remunerated professionals and administrators at the top seemingly overnight with no thought to reduce their exorbitant pay packets to help the grassroots and establish links and context for these old comps and clubs, and how they contribute to the whole health of the sport. All they’ve done is alienate these fans. Incompetent decisions like not helping grassroots, yet throwing money at several rugby league mercenaries like Wendell Sailor, Mat Rogers etc just baffled me. I said to myself they’d regret it, and look what happened!

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

piru The sport isn’t part of our culture here. It’s a ridiculous assertion to make that I (Perth born and raised) couldn’t know that fact and still support the wallabies. I pointed out in previous comments I was a fan of the wallabies and NOT invested in the grassroots here so I wouldn’t hear about it from the tiny, tiny segment of the WA general population who were into the game at a grassroots level as I literally didn’t know anyone from that community! Furthermore I expressed surprise that the WA media didn’t cover this. You have to not be from Perth or WA to make such a bizarre sweeping statement, with absolutely no knowledge of WA sports culture piru!

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

So WA, Vic raised players(assuming they’re all that’s playing in the WA/Vic NRC teams) match the level of SS & Qld raised players in the NRC comp and improve them?! I find that hard to fathom. Are they providing their best players for the NRC, or are you implying that WA, Vic raised players can now compete and beat the best that the SS & Qld comps have to offer? 😱

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Thanks, literally never heard of that guy. Would’ve played when I started following the wallabies from the early 90’s onwards. WA media never spoke about it, which shows you the interest level over here.

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Brett I’m from Perth with no direct investment in the Shute Shield or rugby union at the grassroots level. I’m talking the reality of sport and grassroots fans, as an Australian, and as a fan of a lot of different sports and various sports entities, including the wallabies.

The point is the best way to support your sport and grow is to support your fans, not fight and argue with them and lecture them. A pro/semi-pro domestic comp should’ve taken these supporters into account. Growing from that base and spreading out takes time. The same way the NRL and AFL are still overwhelmingly based around their major grassroots hubs with limited growth into new markets that don’t particularly care for their product. There’s no massive appeal for either code of rugby here Brett, ditto for Victoria. RA just can’t afford to keep sinking money in to it, and especially when they have to compete with the major rugby powers NZ & SA. You’re not growing rugby Australia wide with SR expansion, you’re just transferring NSW & QLD players and thinning out their resources, making them less competitive.

How many players from WA/Vic etc have ever become wallabies Brett? Apparently DHP was from Perth, but came from South Africa originally at 10, so still not one genuine born and raised product from WA as far as I know. If this NRC solves that dilemma Brett, then great, but it’s unfair to attack these Sydney grassroots fans for not being invested in it. I’m curious to know Brett why these same comps were good enough to provide great SR/Wallabies players before, and they thrived (99 WC, 03WC, Brumbies etc) but apparently now they’re no good at providing SR players. What happened???! 😱

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Comprehending you blaming grassroots supporters? I got that fine. It’s just bizarre to claim someone is “undermining” something they’re not invested in, and therefore not involved with. In the smallest football code in Australia, the one place they have a grassroots stronghold has been completely ignored when they (incorrectly) built Rome in a day in the mid 90’s: moving from a weirdly stubborn sport which held on to amateurism as some romantic badge of honour to a professional sport overnight with the largest concentration of supporters left out in the cold. People like you seem surprised by their hostile reaction and indifference.

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

I doubt it Ken, but we can hope. None of these people like Brett listen to other people who tell them these things, they just double down on their insanity. Hopefully people like you are wiser Ken. It took the incompetent ARU 25 years of the professional era to realise that ignoring your major hub of grassroots supporters and not investing in them, and sucking on News Corp’s teat and hiding your product behind a paywall wasn’t the right way to do things, so there’s hope yet!

A national cup competition is an idea worth exploring

Keep your eye on H, L, M & W…they should be absolute crackers! 👍

The Australian cricket all-time great alphabet teams: Letter D