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The ARC was a development comp: an extra tier shoved in below SR and above club rugby. The ARC was ONLY going to work as the elite level pro comp for Australia, taking over from the stale and failing SR format.

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

Big difference between an amateur era state/provincial interaction, with a fully integrated pro comp. You (& RA & NZR) need to move into the 21st century of professional sport and create an engaging and dynamic professional format of the sport. Super Rugby has been a lame duck model in BOTH Australia & NZ for a decade or more, precisely because of the outdated amateur era protectionism and development focus on the national side. Any decent pro comp has to be a priority in it’s own right, and SR is compromised for these exact reasons

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

Because there’s nothing left to lose?

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

Geoff, let’s be blunt. You don’t provide an objective analysis here as you have a clear bias towards maintaining the status quo model. As a kiwi living in Melbourne, instead of seeing a local anonymous poor quality suburban comp (probably half filled with Kiwi expats & PI’s), you’ve now had an expensive new franchise created (Rebels), and an expensive anonymous national league development comp (ARC/NRC), neither of which will ever run a profit, or create much interest, but you get to see a higher quality of rugby, and with SR specifically you regularly get to travel to AAMI Park to watch NZ franchises & players. So not surprising you and the migrant kiwi population love this lame duck SR model.
Last week you disingenuously linked Netball Australia’s current woes with them adopting a national competition instead of a full trans-Tasman model, which they withdrew from a few years ago. Ironically their woes actually prove the case that being fully linked with NZ doesn’t really grow Australian sport. They panicked and paid over the top wages because of the now increasing competition for professional & semi-pro female athletes in Australia over the last decade:
1. WBBL
2. W League
3. AFLW
4. NRLW
Where is the growth in NZ to fuel increasing growth and revenue for Netball Australia??? NZ is maxed out as it is a small place and small stagnant economy where not much really happens. Hence why Australia sees an influx of kiwi migrants every year to join the staggering number (650,000+) of others that live here already (international travel permitting).
The current model of pro comp basically ensures that no profit will ever be made in Australia, with it’s outdated state based format. The AFL, NRL & A League are growing, yet Super Rugby still has only one franchise in all of Sydney & NSW, and only one in QLD after a quarter of a century! How is that supposed to drive growth in interest and revenue in the sport???
Australians (such as myself) turned off this poor comp years ago. Foxtel’s ratings showed their own subscriber base weren’t watching as much, showing even diehards were turning away. No FTA component of a broadcast deal will be successful until the competition itself is overhauled completely, but with a parochial, arrogant and stubborn crowd at NZR, is there realistically ever going to be an exciting fully integrated open recruitment trans-Tasman comp to drive growth in revenue? I say not.

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

Didn’t realise he was Zimbabwean.

Zimbabwe's all-time Test XI

One of the best sledge comebacks too! 😂

Zimbabwe's all-time Test XI

Are we supposed to know the guy in the photo (BBL player)?

Zimbabwe's all-time Test XI

Nah, not convinced the players would agree as they’re all a bit daft (I suspect). The administrators should be on top of this, with or without the support of the players.

The AFL should send off players for violent actions that take a player out

The sport isn’t big enough anywhere to provide NZ much international competition. No matter how bad the wallabies are, Australia will still be in the world top ten. The sport isn’t big enough globally (and never will be) to constantly fret about some perceived downfall.
The problem Paulo is the kiwis have invested too much of their emotions into the success of the all blacks, as they became worshipped by kiwis after quickly proving dominant in the small global pool of nations they can realistically play in the sport (not to mention the bizarre outdated amateur obsession either, which also favoured NZ). The wallabies will never have a major cultural impact in Australia as the sport just isn’t popular enough here, and never will be. Investing all the time and resources into a relentless development war with NZ in this niche sport won’t work and never will work.

And the 6 nations Paulo? Based off a very old international rivalry and competition between most of these nations dating back longer than a century now. It’s a historic competition that really isn’t relevant to much at all really, so not sure what your point is. The Italians entered 20+ years ago, and are rarely ever able to compete with the other 5. Like Australia, the sport is just too small and niche in their country for Italy to front up every year and compete at the international level. The 6 Nations would be better served by possibly alternating with Georgia occasionally. Georgia (like NZ) is apparently a nation where it’s the biggest sport there, so far more likely to prove competitive at international level over time. The bledisloe cup was never an appropriate competition, but we all know who pushed for it Paulo! 😛

Life of Hamish: We should recognise what McLennan has done for Australian rugby

Argentina won their first ever match against NZ in a year where no SR with the Jaguares took place. England’s win in the 2019 WC SF was the most one sided dominant loss that I’ve seen the all blacks suffer in around three decades of watching. That was after an unusually long period of no games between England & NZ.
Any domestic comp could be made to be far superior than the dire SR model, which sees an uneven comp, no open recruitment of players within the comp, and an outdated state/provincial model. A lot more franchises would be in heartland areas (like other football comps in Australia do), thus more teams, more fans, more tribalism, and far more interest in general.
Worrying about what NZ do or don’t do shouldn’t be relevant. It’s NZ’s #1 sport and Australia’s #7 sport (and very geographically and socially niche to boot!), so constantly fretting about putting all their eggs in one basket and making it all about trying to be constantly competitive with NZ is a useless dead end, and has clearly been a failure for the past two decades. Time for something different as the status quo clearly isn’t working!

Life of Hamish: We should recognise what McLennan has done for Australian rugby

That’s not true Tim. England, Ireland & Argentina proved that success at international level against NZ in this sport doesn’t need to be reliant on a heavy interaction with NZ. No offence Tim, but this is a furphy that keeps being pushed mainly by kiwis and kiwi migrants, who love the inappropriate heavy cultural interaction between the two nations in this sport.
Australia needs a competitive club competition that has every pro franchise realistically being able not just to be competitive, but challenge for titles as well. This will bring in fans from all over, such as casual viewers (such as myself), but also the diehards will be fully engaged again.

Life of Hamish: We should recognise what McLennan has done for Australian rugby

Just insane that the sport doesn’t have a sending off rule! Geelong’s coach: Malcolm Blight, literally told one of his players to take out Hawthorn’s Dermott Brereton at the opening bounce of the 1989 VFL GF. Brereton bravely soldiered on (and scored multiple goals) with multiple broken ribs.
Just insane that three decades later that the AFL wouldn’t have any sending off of players for dirty cynical acts, taking out opposition players.

The AFL should send off players for violent actions that take a player out

Typical Victorian arrogance.

Would this Vic Metro team claim glory if the AFL brought back State of Origin?

Exactly! Victoria has 3 regional cities outside Melbourne with 100,000+ populations (and one of them is 250,000+!). WA doesn’t really have that many towns above 5000!

Would this Vic Metro team claim glory if the AFL brought back State of Origin?

You could have said that London traditionally has three annual tests at two separate London test venues. Now that’s impressive. 👍

What is the sporting capital of the world?

Don’t think Borrusia Dortmund has 9 other professional soccer clubs in Dortmund as their competition, so a bit disingenuous.

What is the sporting capital of the world?

No that’s ice hockey they play in Canada & USA. You’re confusing two different sports. Hence your stats are misleading.

What is the sporting capital of the world?

Wellington in NZ didn’t fill out their stadium for AFL matches either…what’s your point?

What is the sporting capital of the world?

Boxing Day Test

What is the sporting capital of the world?

Disingenuous comment. We have a clear global system (mostly) of defined nations, nationalities, citizenship, and international boundaries. This is just a mockery of international sport.

So what if many Pacific stars were born in Australia or NZ: International rugby league is the winner

Our mate Josh misses the mark sometimes doesn’t he? 😛

What is the sporting capital of the world?

You’re then ignoring that until 1982, literally the only alternative to Melbourne based VFL Premiers was Geelong. So a bit of a disingenuous and pointless stat to be fair Josh. London EPL winners would be more logical to assess.

What is the sporting capital of the world?

You forgot the Melbourne Cup!

What is the sporting capital of the world?

NZ franchises winning SR wouldn’t an issue if a proper competition was taking place. With the protectionism in place, the integrity of the competition is compromised. If you have a select group of franchises hoarding playing talent based on geography, nationality etc, then what’s the point? Super Rugby wore thin for me in the mid 2000’s.

McLennan's Australia-based Super Rugby competition could be a winner

Great comeback though to reach 200! 👍 The dopey kiwis keep selecting these “allrounders”, with Bracewell (somehow) keeping his spot ahead of Patel. Williamson just refuses to back decent spinners.

Black Caps recover after freak dismissal

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