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JB

Thats an astute post…

Can football be saved from itself?

JB

Agree with most nay everything in your post …

I just feel Football is its own worst enemy at the top tier professional level… at grassroots we are the best and in tier levels we are the best as well… in training with up to date information we are the best as well…

The blue sky is huge but its been huge for decades its we can’t seem to get our act together … we aside from some brief moments have been in a civil war of types for maybe 70 years…

Can football be saved from itself?

RB

Great response …

I guess I am talking about Australian professional Football…

Decades of infighting with every key stakeholder group believing they have the special knowledge to solve the problems has held the professional game back…

An example, I have not read it recently but a couple of years back the Socceroo’s were the third highest paid national team in the world and this on the back of FFA not having the rights to media for World, Asian and Olympic qualifications games… great job by the PFA and question this and SBS & the PFA will come out fighting … but it seems strange to me…

WE need a starting point … not special interest groups protecting their turf…

Can football be saved from itself?

You Dad and granddad were right

Can football be saved from itself?

JB

The 16 team two div with P & R is the aim…

If we set a target… and then accept our current position … and then accept the Australian sporting environment … we have a starting point…

Unachievable expectations set without facts become if you fail to meet them failures… tis why I am suggesting we get to a starting point …

Can football be saved from itself?

Agree mate he has a huge task in front of him

Can football be saved from itself?

Mark

Unity will come IMO if two things happen… first people accept the size of Football in the Australian sporting environment, this will allow rational debates on timelines and not have insane expectations….. second is to have a plan to work to i.e. 32 team two division …

Can football be saved from itself?

Not necessarily by point.

I was looking at the various polarised groups we have and years of a toxic civil war.

But we as a code have hardly been at peace with ourselves constant infighting over decades …

Today more than any time before I fear we could fall off the edge and mostly its brought about by management not being in charge of the conversation and the many factions each believing they have the special knowledge needed .

So as a start so we can get in control of the conversation we need to acknowledge were we are as a starting point….otherwise the infighting will continue…

Can football be saved from itself?

Thats the way all Ruden sides play … its also the way he played…

Sydney FC may have claimed the A-League trophy but Western United made the season

Will be interesting to see if JJ can turn things around

Can football be saved from itself?

Great game as a neutral and I tho the key decisions were correct..

Enjoyed the call as well….

Gripping grand final proves there's still life in the A-League yet

There biggest loss of talent …. hhhhmmm…. talent not replaced …. Gorman….

Gorman understood the Sydney associations and there networks… he also understood Football people in general… and he guided the RBB and they respected his calls…

He also had a habit of picking good coaches ….

Where has it all gone wrong for Wanderers?

My gut tells me and what I am hearing is a new buyer will be found and the club will remain on the Coast…

How confident over 70% …

The Mariners under Charlesworth reign illustrate two things… first the importance of the owner of your club … second is a second division where a club can be sent to so it can rebuild.

Let me share with you all…. part of a post from the Mariners forum… its reflects how deep the local concern has been with our current owner… I am sure the same poster if we won three games on the trot would be talking up the club …

“””
Our club has struggled for many years now. I wish the Mariners had folded in 2014 and left us with those wonderful memories of the small club that achieved the impossible instead of years of embarrassment.””

Save the Mariners or it just ain't the A-League

RB
Thats real Football hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm thats real Football I am stuck with this term real Football….

Other definitions I have read is if you don’t hoof the ball down field and play out from the back… that’s real Football…

Others is you have to press in defense … zone marking as opposed to man making is real Football…

I think what you mean to say is European Football is based around 130 odd years of development and they have P & R … as does many other nations…

You note I said I want P & R….

My problem with your post and many many many nay most would agree with you….. my problem is you think [yes think] there is some kinda mega massive Football market in Australia that has been held back by the A-League before that I guess the NSL… and if only we copied Europe and had “”””real Football””” all problems would be solved ….

I think we can have P & R and two divisions and 32 teams… but the teams will be owned by wealthy people or wealthy groups ….

BTW just on that ””Real Football”””‘ hhhhmmmmmmm are any teams in say the top 64 European sides owned by wealthy people or wealthy groups… or lets consider Japan are any of the top sides owned by wealthy people or wealthy groups or in the Middle East or China … are any sides owned by wealthy people or wealthy groups…

Because if so that J-League is on some trouble then …. the EPL is gone for all money no hope there …

Sparkling Diamanti reminds us the A-League can still shine

HHMMMmmmmmmmmmm

How ….

To me it seems no matter what happens … perfection to the power of perfection needs to be delivered overnight and only the perfection that each group see as perfection… So unless with full guarantees of perfection can be delivered as the starting point then the leadership has failed…

We as a collective have created slogans and these are easy to say but much much much harder to deliver otherwise it would have already been done…

Assumptions and estimates, are often said as if there is no argument, and what is being said is not only true, but to even question it slightly,is a sign of siding with another group…

To be fair its only right people lay there cards on the table…

I want 2 divisions, with 16 teams a division.
I want P & R within a reasonable time frame between the two divisions.
I want the competition to run for between 38 & 40 weeks, 30 rounds 3 weeks final, 5 weeks international breaks and one week for the FFA Cup final as a stand alone week.

To achieve the above given the Australian sporting environment will be a challenge.

If I set this as my goal, and I analysis Australian Football history and the Australian sporting environment how do I achieve the above.

For me and given the past say 70 year history of Australian Football, rich people or rich groups will fund this… meaning 32 teams will be privately owned by individuals or a small group of individuals … OR franchise teams be they WSW or Olympic or New…

I want each of the 32 teams to connect to local park teams and or regional associations …

Sparkling Diamanti reminds us the A-League can still shine

Mike

NAIL HEAD

You posted…

“”””it all counts for nothing unless football somehow finds a way to unite.”””

So few understand this…. many don’t accept this…. many see there way is the only way…

How… Who … this can happen I have no idea anymore ….

United we stand, divided we fall …. is a centuries old truism …

Football in Australia today is so polarised into different camps its difficult to see unity anytime soon… a large part of the problem is no one sees they are part of the problem and their concerns are correct so its OK if they tear into structures and systems as they have wisdom….

Its been this way for close to 70 years… briefly at the start of the NSL & start of the A-League we had unity and Football grew and expanded… but both had only a short time of broad based unity …

The player base cannot be connected with as long as we have such polarised divisions…. connecting to the player base is the answer to most of our problems…

But each group sees they and they alone had the wisdom…

Sparkling Diamanti reminds us the A-League can still shine

I am reasonably sure the Mariners will remain in Gosford

Who should replace the Mariners?

Further to my previous email my understanding is there is more than one buyer interested… the club is keen to combine the licence fee with the CEO … meaning the price is well above the 4 million … the four million is for the licence only… BTW if the 4 million is correct which I doubt …

Who should replace the Mariners?

My mail is there is a local buyer in the wings…

Who should replace the Mariners?

that would be nice … but all those SBS special folk Les got in have passed away or retired…

Whether Lucy is capable of being the touch bearer is yet to be seen… she needs to learn how to love the Australian game and systems…

Can a cut-price A-League offer more chances to local youngsters?

agree

I recall a system talked about when BB was in charge whereby the best say 100 players in each age bracket would be identified and those players given specail training… no idea if they ever did…

Can a cut-price A-League offer more chances to local youngsters?

You make a good point

Can a cut-price A-League offer more chances to local youngsters?

LH

You are partly right but me thinks the degree of park training has vastly improved…

I recall reading an article by Heard [the AFL drug coach] anyway he has moved into selling sporting teams and has had a lot to do with Football and he said the difference between youth training in AFL & Football was huge and that AFL was the same as when he was a kid whereas Football was of a much higher quality…

Can a cut-price A-League offer more chances to local youngsters?

Waz

There is a lot of truth in what you posted…

I also have always held the view that with Fox having so much invested in first AFL & NRL it was not overly in their interests for Football and for that matter Rugby to increase to much and when Fox invested so much in cricket and their subs dropped they where in a world of pain and Football was no longer especially with the EPL gone a growth sport for them so lets make sure its in such a bad position that no one else will want it either … I think the same thing for Rugby as well…

Having said that we have had in Gallop & Lowy a very very “””old””” management team who me thinks found it difficult to break away from established broadcasting revenue streams…

With JJ we have someone young who simply because of his age would better understand other broadcast options especially net based systems.

Can a cut-price A-League offer more chances to local youngsters?

Gosford is down the pecking order for the NRL, second Brisbane team, second NZ team, Perth team & Central QLD team all seem to rank above Gosford for NRL expansion.

We have approached council to take control of the stadium on a long term lease, and the club plans to hold events other than Football there mostly concerts the thinking is about 4 to 6 concerts a year… and by owing tejh stadium have control of the food outlets and offer arguably better than the pie and chips…

Can a cut-price A-League offer more chances to local youngsters?