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Think you may have missed the Python reference there Funbus!!!

I'm totally over the Haka

Mind-boggling.

I'm totally over the Haka

This Jerry!
Why don’t these people start a petition?
I would have no problem if Twickenham was haka-less in future.
No problem at all.
If the majority of their fans don’t appreciate the haka then they should put it to a vote.

I'm totally over the Haka

Why DO English fans sing that song?
I find it very curious.Would love to hear an explanation and what its significance is to your culture?

I'm totally over the Haka

Gregor Paul the Scotsman?

I'm totally over the Haka

Lano,
I think you might have the wrong end of the stick mate.
Haka were always choreographed well until the predominantly pakeha All Blacks pre Shelford got hold of them and turned the performances into shambles.
Visit/watch any kapa haka group next time you are in NZ mate and you will see precision personified. 😉

I'm totally over the Haka

You seem to be attempting to make it all about you.

Have you ever done a poll at a match to find out whether or not your opinion of a haka is widely-held or not?

What percentage of people in Paris eg would vote to not see the haka performed?
Cardiff?
Edinburgh?

Have you written to your union to make a formal complaint?
Have you started a petition to have it banned?

Or is it just you and your concerns you are worried about?

I'm totally over the Haka

Brought a tear to my jaundiced eye Ken!

When I first spotted the headline of this article I decided to skip it.
Later on, I was lured in by an interesting comment I saw on the front page–against my better judgement and this morning while scrolling through and reading some of the snide remarks and vitriolic bile I was really regretting not trusting my initial judgement.

Your words have restored the balance for me and for that I am grateful.

Have a great weekend all and enjoy the rugby!

I'm totally over the Haka

Funbus
You have overstepped the mark there somewhat.
England came “strutting in” (as you put it) in 1769, struck their flag in the sand and proclaimed “this land is our land” despite the fact that other people were already living there!

This wasn’t a one-off aberration either but a pattern of behavior repeated across the globe.

Those acts make any perceived arrogance around the haka pale into insignificance in my book.

I'm totally over the Haka

Peter and Objective,

It is no surprise to me if some of my countrymen get a little bit annoyed if they perceive an attack on their team/country/culture;
NZ rugby fans get a fair bit of it from Online Warriors on all manner of subjects ranging from cheating, Richie McCaw,cheating,Ref’s conspiracies,WR conspiracies,biases,chips, arrogance,poaching~~~the list goes on.
For some of us it is water off a duck’s back or only a minor annoyance.
But it does wear thin after a few decades let me tell you!

I'm totally over the Haka

Why does there need to be an anthem? I am soooooo over them!
They have been done to death.
We are forced to stand and ‘respect’ some country’s crappy song about god saving some king or country or putting a country ahead of all others or promoting their country as the bravest and freeist…..I’m fed up with it.
Most of the tunes are awful, mournful dirges as well….why can’t we have a Mexican Wave every five minutes instead?

I'm totally over the Haka

Absolutely outstanding post.
Well said that man.

I'm totally over the Haka

Charlie!
I’m kiwi mate and I assure you that I pronounce it “wimmin” so go easy on the generalities my friend!

There’s women pronounced as ‘woman’, there is a reluctance to enunciate the ‘T’ in words that end in ~ties and a new habit to lop off the ‘th’ and ‘st’ on dates (e.g 20 June)…..and these are but the tip of a slippery iceberg!

I'm totally over the Haka

Neil,
While we are at it, there is no apostrophe in a simple plural either! 😉
This seems to be creeping into our wonderful language of late.

I'm totally over the Haka

Hear hear, Freedom.
I too took the article at face value as very respectful and thoughtful.
I endorse your comments about making small steps about introducing some native culture into everyday ‘white fella’ Australian life.

Learning “hello” might seem straight-forward in most countries but Tim might find the word or the concept may not exist in his local language!

Languages are funny things and don’t always translate like people expect them to. 😉

I'm totally over the Haka

Very harsh there Bluesfan if I may say so?

Personally I thought it was a beautifully-written piece ( tempted to add “for an Australian” but will resist)
and covered all the bases the author wished to explore.
It’s not up to the reader to determine how much research a writer should do in order to provide his/her opinion, surely?

As for myself, I think the haka has been over-exposed just like the Wallaby-All Black games have been.Boring, repetitive and predictable as far as the games go (because we face up too many times in a season) and the various haka are being spoiled by all the grousing that accompanies them from opposition fans.
If the English don’t want us to perform a haka at Twickenham then I think we shouldn’t do it.
Let the fans vote with their voices.Scratch Twickers off the list based on last week’s ‘vote’ and see what occurs at Dublin this weekend.
It could be a referendum.They are all the rage these days.
If the ABs want to do it at home then great.I’d like that.

I'm totally over the Haka

Squire was excellent prior to getting injured Nick.Don’t write him off quite yet.
Having said that, I would be tempted to bench him for SB against Ireland.

Sir Brodie takes Prince Maro off his high horse at Twickenham

I am a little bit surprised you haven’t mentioned Corbisiero Goatee…..;-)

Sir Brodie takes Prince Maro off his high horse at Twickenham

Good luck Carlos.

Sir Brodie takes Prince Maro off his high horse at Twickenham

Yeah I am leaning that way at the moment.
Squire hasn’t returned to the sort of form that got him picked,since he was out injured.
And Sam Whitelock, though still excellent, looks jaded to me.

Sir Brodie takes Prince Maro off his high horse at Twickenham

@ 55′
eerily similar to the Lawes offside…and described as “a couple of yards” here…..;-)

Lost: Wallabies’ game management nous

Fair.Very fair.
Moody, Cane for sure.
Also I would expect Ben Smith at 15 and a different 14.
Anyone’s guess right now but Naholo, Bridge could be in the mix.
No.6 is still up for grabs too with Squire still not quite right after a recent lay-off.

The Wrap: Cheika and Jones both losers, but heading down very different paths

Fully agree.

The Wrap: Cheika and Jones both losers, but heading down very different paths

Funbus,
You asked where Tu’ungafasi and Laulala are from? Do you really want to go there?
Both moved to NZ in their early teens to go to high school.If you are insinuating they were poached or headhunted you may also suspect NZRFU use crystal balls….
Brad Shields, on the other hand, didn’t even need to play a club game to get picked for England.
No comparison and no position to be casting stones.
This whole poaching thing needs to be fixed by regulation 5 year minimum residency and the relinquishment of original passport/citizenship would be my requirement.

The Wrap: Cheika and Jones both losers, but heading down very different paths

I got up at 3am primed for the Twickenham encounter and thought i would watch the Wales-Wallabies match after as I was wide-awake.

Sadly, the kicking duel and the Welsh accents lured me into dozing through the whole game!

The Wrap: Cheika and Jones both losers, but heading down very different paths