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What do you want to know? The idea is to start a debate/discussion. Why did you read it?
Just let me have a proper reasoned reply to explain your thoughts rather than be an abusive twatt.

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

KBG, its people like you who will never listen to a different view. So my poit is proved that saying Lillee wasn’t the greatest fast bowler even within Australia is a crime.

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

So Lillee wasn’t prepared to do the hard yards on not only pitches not tailor made for him but hotels and buses not to his liking. Didn’t worry Imran and Marshall or Kapil Dev too much or Styne for that matter.
Oh i forgot the IPL millionaires now rushing to IND

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

Sobers played against all test nations at the time bar RSA which is their loss. Check Sobers away batting numbers and let me know what you find.
Greatest batsman as rated by Chappell

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

Cummins is more rounded as a captain and fast bowler not a stone age like DK as if just transported

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

Even Chappell would dispute that!!

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

That’s not the point mate!

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

All umpires favoured home teams pre DRS.
Not just India and Pakistan ones
Research among players indicated NZ umpires were pretty fair unless WI were in town (Mr Goodall and Holding) followed by WI umpires unless Viv was appealing!

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

Google it mate,the time Gavaskar led his partner off due to bad umpires pre DRS
It was extreme but not isolated

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

Agreed, hence the comments about Chappell being somewhat generous to his old colleague

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

Back to the mark published 1974

Pat Cummins isn't Dennis Lillee's fast-bowling equal - he's actually much better

Two double hundreds and nothing in between!

Is a brilliant Test debut a blessing or a curse?

I would have loved to watch that series as both teams were just about to blow everyone away.
After Lillee and Massie got injured i believe Max walker and jeff hammond did a great job for Chappelli.

Is a brilliant Test debut a blessing or a curse?

I’d say definitly a curse because the only way is down! sure you get occasional exceptions like greg Chappell. Shane Warne was blasted all over by Indians in Sydney but improved a bit! Most times a stunning debute is a curse and far preferable to have a modest start with a sound technique and “look the part” like Crawley for example. gooch started with a pair so could only get better. Massie was lucky to a large extent due to conditions and England not having seen him before, but he’s in the record books whereas workhorse type bowlers like Max Walker who had to do the hard yards are ignored. Great topic though.

Is a brilliant Test debut a blessing or a curse?

When India have more pace bowlers for a test IN INDIA than Australia you know Australia got it very wrong. A good bowler is a good bowler regardless of surface conditions otherwise he’s a one trick donky. A good/great pace bowler like Starc would have a great advantage over novice spinner like Kunneman, as the Indian pace bowlers proved. Terrible selection mistake by the selection team. Indian batters are never going to be worried by ANY spinner, if Shane warne didn’t worry them no one can.
NOTE for Australian batters……..this is not IPL gig mate.

FLEM’S VERDICT: Shellshocked … panicked - Aussie collapse like watching a car crash in slow motion

No warm up games, bad selection, spinning pitches………….throw in the umpires too. Same old story and excuses. How many times does David Warner need to play in India to get familiar? Ten years not enough? Happy to take IPL millions!
Simple fact is Aussies like many other teams including SA have “siege” mantality when playing in India. Same Australia beat Pakistan 3 months ago and they didn’t have any practice games!
India are just too good at the moment both home and away as they showed in Australia ouple of years ago. Only hope for Australia/SA/England is that most of the Indians are 34/35 so won’t be around for long. They will not find players of similar caliber for a generation.

'Soft, reckless, way over the edge': Greats savage sweep-happy Aussies' disaster, Warner's unlucky break - Talking Points

The Australian open organisers were the culprits here not Novak. This is exactly the point that he is blamed for others errors. The AO sought to exploit the matter to their advantage by issuing him a visa/exemption. They could have refused. instead the Australian government humiliated him by “detaining him” like he was going to run away! How stupid. Would they have treated Roger in the same way?

What more does Djokovic have to do to be recognised as the GOAT?

Don’t think Roddick and Hewitt are even in the same league! What exactly has Nick won?
Maybe he’s disliked (not sure he is) for wasting his ability, unlike Novak who is simply too good and too focused. Nick and John were/are players crowds “love to hate” but don’t think anyone disrespects their talent. I think Novak’s talent and committment is too much for some. Therefore his flaws are exploited more. Your picking his “time out” is exactly a case in point where you overlook his determination and stamina to come back

What more does Djokovic have to do to be recognised as the GOAT?

So why don’t you like him? or like Roger more?
While he is equal with rafa on majors he’s minimum wins in a major is 3 US titles while Rafa has 2 each at Australia and Wimbeldon. Rafa is far too reliant on French titles 14 out of 22 shows he’s very much a clay expert whereas Novak has a much more even spread of major titles. Roger’s one French makes it look very odd that he’s not that good on clay.

What more does Djokovic have to do to be recognised as the GOAT?

Of course lots of truth in this statement too. Without the street protsts and uprisings it would have taken much much longer to dismantle apatheid. It is also true that England/GB/Australia rugby tours didn’t break the SA off completly and the rebel tours of cricket. However, you must give credit to international efforts in particularly bring it to mass attention. The main point is that international disruption to SA government did cause issues that wouldn’t go away. Ultimatley, as all ways, it was “people power” that won!! How many were they going to kill?

Dolly’s domination: The cricketing crisis that helped bring an end to apartheid

Yes, coach black kids to be exact so that he would be out of the way and “unavailable” for selection in the tour party!

Dolly’s domination: The cricketing crisis that helped bring an end to apartheid

So what does it prove? that you shouldn’t judge people on half a career!!!

The all-time XI for all time: South Africa

And no Kallis? Are you joking? He’s worth his place as a bowler alone alone compared to the likes of Tyfield.

The all-time XI for all time: South Africa

This looks like a team straight out of Mark Nichollas’s playbook, boring,predicable and all white!!
How can someone playing odd test matches be included in an all time great team? Even 25 tests are not enough to show true worth and metal of a player. Amazaing that a player like Greame Smith can be left out in favour of someone who play 12 test? If Smith had retired after 12 test his average would have been 25. He was guy who did the hard yards always. He must play and be captain too. Gibbs and amala too are strong contenders for their consistent performances over 10+ years. It’s a disgrace not to include Ntini but if you want an all white team then I guess he can’t play…………….like D’Olivera and others before him

The all-time XI for all time: South Africa

Not much to argue with except I don’t think Wasim Bari should be the wicketkeep. Although a great keeper he couldn’t bat so you would need someone like Moin khan, saleem Yousef or Rashid Latif was a great keeper/batsman. Pace wise not sure you can leave out Shoaib Akhtar. i’d get him in for fazal

Who makes the cut for Pakistan's all-time Test XI?

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