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Argentinian Rugby is in search of a change of path

I took a break for this third instalment of the year. The previous two concentrated on analysing three key elements: a possible problem with the path chosen by the Unión Argentina de Rugby (UAR) regarding professional rugby in Argentina, this path’s its consequences on the results and the evolution of their game.

I am not that confidence either. But Quesada plays against franchises and ML against National teams . I think there is quite a difference and by no means I taking away anything from what Quesada has done in Jaguares which it is magnificent .

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Such a thing is not in my DNA!!! And I have proved it!!! I happens to agree with not taking Isa. Do you know how many games Isa played this year as a starter? Fernadez Lobbe , now ML assistant something I strongly question, was the coach of Facundo Isa in France. He may have something to say about the current Isa as a player. By the way , do not bother looking, he played 5 games all from the bench.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Neither of them are going to be in the 23 against FR and Eng. Carlos I am done with this subject. ML made the call and he was the man that supposed to make it. What ever we say is anecdotic . I am not here to defend ML , I just try to understand whys of his selection and make sense of it. Do you think that ML does not want to do well in RWC? His putting his job on the line, and believe me , he thinks these are the best choices and we have to respect him.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Why ? There is no need. He had an offer that UAR could not matched at the time and he decided to take it. Nothing wrong with that. The UAR did not like it but does not like that Matera is leaving either but he still the captain of LP. Isa is not the same player you remember, he was injured and was never the same.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Well my friend ML does not think like you. I am sorry to tell you.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Wikipedia Facundo Isa. Very easy.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Fionn, ML and in this particular matter think the same, I wrote about it a year ago that Jags and LP will develop their attacks from LO. Harry , out here seems to agree with me also in this point, so if you think differently is fine. LP do not have a good scrum, they have not have a good one in the last 5 years, so the only way they have to generate attacks are either from LO or recovering balls. I love to argue with you but it comes to a point that you want to be closer to what ML thinks that me. I would not dear to argue with you about Cheika or Hansen points of view because they far a way from where I am and I do not have the same connection with them that I do over here. So if you happen to have a way of what ML thinks pls let me know because it will come on handy.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

LP had a very good line against SA and NZ, the one that went really bad was against AUS. Just happened to be the one that Isa played and OD sat down. May be coincidence and may be not.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

So you understand rugby better than me. I did not see any good lines out there. May be Ireland.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Well Carlos, lets get the facts right like you always said. Isa left before Mario arrived. That is a fact. Isa came with attitude that the position was his and that is not a good way to start with ML. Second, instead of supporting other players who stayed here he did not commit to training like others. That is another no no with ML. Third if he was not into the 23 we would have this arguments back and forward every week between games. That is a conflict that you do not need. Isa will not win games by himself imo, and Legui is someone that everybody likes in the team , always pushing the young ones to excel and he is an example to everybody. So, if Isa and Legui will not be in the 23 I rather take Legui. That is only my opinion, if you have another great, it will not be the first time that you and I are in that boat.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

I am sorry, but LO in my opinion are a key in every game. What do you do when you get a penalty out of post reach? If your line is weak you cannot go to touch and the opposite team will not matter to make penalty after penalty. But that is my view of the game the it is played today and I accept other views and respect them.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Isa left Jaguares in July 2017. Nico played under ML en Jaguares and LP and Urdapilleta is the only freak of the 31.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

They will!! That is the reasoning of having a good back three that are good of catching balls from the air.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Do not be, it is great to have different opinions. Isa left when Aspirina and DH were in charge and came back thinking that things remained the same. It is a total different ball game with ML and GQ, you must give 100% in training to be part of this and may be ML thinks that Isa is not the best thing to have in the team. Do I agree with all the players he called? No way, but I respect and I try to understand the 31 players that will be in RWC. I have been saying that if LP do not have a scrum they must have a good line. Against AUS OD did not play and Isa did and the line was very weak. I stand to my opinion. Tuculet and Delguy are more questionable imo, but ML is closer to the team. And yes, Lezana in my opinion did better than Isa and knows the system and also is the first one at training camp.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Desio and Ledesma mates? That is far away from being true.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

Isa outside the 23 is a potential conflict you must avoid in RWC.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

If your scrum is weak you must give a chance to be strong in the line. OD did not play against AUS in the RCH and we lost several lines. This is has been an issue all year. Isa outside the 23 is a potential conflict that you do not want to have in RWC.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

It is a good call imo. Isa is not the same a LP need a strong line because they have a weak scrum. You need at least one set piece and Ortega Decio is the man. When he does not play the line is not good. LP launch most of there game from that formation.to keep Isa out of the 23 starters was always be a problem.

Mario Ledesma names Argentina's World Cup squad, complete with one shock omission

They were not that good then ( 7 days ago) and they are not that bad now.

Eight talking points from Bledisloe 2

Pumas made 13 changes

The Rugby Championship non-championship week: Bledis-GO!

Pumas captain is Pablo Matera.

The Rugby Championship Week 3: Someone clone the trophy

I used to think that the real problems at airports was A. Smith.

The Rugby Championship Week 3: Someone clone the trophy

Hi Swede. Well coaches in Argentina do not have much international experience. Fernandez Miranda has been with Mario in Jaguares last year and Fernandez Lobbe is really making his firsts steps in the job. It is possible , thanks for bringing the point up because I have not thought about it before.

The Rugby Championship: The feet-up week

There are more things IMO than rest . The energy of playing the final in NZ against the Crusader and the game with ABs takes a or off energy , but at least the set piece can be addressed under that circumstances.

The Rugby Championship: The feet-up week

I feel there is a wave of optimism after defeating the Pumas that played the worst game since Daniel Hourcade exit. 34 turnovers!!!! No Scrum, no line, knock ons all over the place and Nicolás SANCHEZ being a shadow of what he used to be.

The Rugby Championship: The feet-up week