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While not being active anymore, I do stop by to read my favourite writers. One of your best mate.

Celebrating 100 Tests and 100 years: 'There's never a winner in NZ vs South Africa, just the next battle'

“I don’t remember an uglier time in the game.”

In this we agree. It seems any opportunity to have a crack and attack another Union and the crowd just piles on.

Even The Roar has increasingly become toxic and clickbaity, with everyone trying to cry foul of everyone else. Reasonable debate about rugby seems to have taken a backseat to ‘calling out dog acts’, virtue signalling, and name calling.

I’ve generally tried to remain open minded and reasonable, with greater or lesser degrees of success depending on the situation. But I think I’m done with the Roar. This world is a toxic enough place as it is, and this was a place to come and escape with like minded rugby fans, now it is attack attack attack.

Thanks guys. It’s been fun.

'We're comfortable': NZR boss defends Bledisloe no-show in face of Australia's 'emotion'

And go on to win 😛

Sorry, all this hyperbole and red mist clouding everyone’s eyes is just laughable now.

But I did like your comment, as I can just see bloody Coles doing that lol

'We're comfortable': NZR boss defends Bledisloe no-show in face of Australia's 'emotion'

There’s a lot of cherry picking bits and pieces of information to support a position.

I think this is very much a case of everyone has an opinion and is choosing the bits that support it, or contradict it the least.

WATCH: Dave Rennie tears New Zealand Rugby a new one in extraordinary presser

“While McGowan did not rule out an “arrangement” that would grant the All Blacks – who already lead the Bledisloe Cup series 2-0 – exemptions, he conceded the game might not go ahead as scheduled.

“We are not sure,” he said.

“Maybe we have to work out some arrangement, or there may be a bubble, or they just have to comply with the rules that exist for everybody else.

“It’s a moving situation and it would be disappointing for rugby fans if we are forced to cancel the game, but that is the nature of the world we live in.”

That’s about the latest thing I can find in the lead up to the announcement that NZ were not going to travel. So there was no guarantees that they were going to be able to play that first game. And nothing had been scheduled properly after that – which apparently was the issue which NZR gave RA a deadline to fix. A deadline they missed.

There appears to be a lot of half statements, positioning and posturing to make the other look worse, which is disappointing.

'Bloody angry', 'incredibly disappointing': Rennie furious, Marinos makes staggering claim about NZR CEO

“Lie down with a dog. You gunna get fleas.”
Rein it in mate, you’ve gone a bit over the top here. The RC can still be scheduled if SANZARR can actually get their shot together – which is the problem.

WATCH: Dave Rennie tears New Zealand Rugby a new one in extraordinary presser

Well, history is relevant, but your right in the sense that teams start on 0 points. Maybe read the comment I was replying to though if you’re confused.

WATCH: Dave Rennie tears New Zealand Rugby a new one in extraordinary presser

Yea, deadlines are pretty tough to hit. I work on banking and our normal deadlines are really out of whack.

I guess when you are trying to plan you do need to make a decision at some point though as logistics have to be considered.

At the end of the day, we’re all missing out on rugby and all pretty gutted. The best we can do is actually try and understand the decision.

'Bloody angry', 'incredibly disappointing': Rennie furious, Marinos makes staggering claim about NZR CEO

I prefer whites from Marlborough, but can always knock off a nice Red from SA.

'Bloody angry', 'incredibly disappointing': Rennie furious, Marinos makes staggering claim about NZR CEO

I cant comment on that conversation, I wasn’t part of it. I think the truth is somewhere lost in translation to be honest. I assume you weren’t part of the conversation either, and I think we both know enough about to both parties to not truly believe either one fully.

I think NZR could have spelt it out more clearly to Marino’s. But also think for him to come out and say he had no idea, is quite disingenuous too.

'Bloody angry', 'incredibly disappointing': Rennie furious, Marinos makes staggering claim about NZR CEO

Completely agree.

There is a lot of misleading half truths and hyperbole blowing this thing up.

WATCH: Dave Rennie tears New Zealand Rugby a new one in extraordinary presser

RA knew about it. NZR gave them a deadline to confirm by midday, they couldn’t meet the deadline.

'Bloody angry', 'incredibly disappointing': Rennie furious, Marinos makes staggering claim about NZR CEO

So it also appears RA knew NZR wanted an answer, set a deadline, and RA missed it. So why is RA saying they didn’t know this was going to happen? Did they not know they missed the deadline?

Your report says they asked for 3 more hours, clearly that wasn’t granted. Clearly RA knew far more than they initially let on, and if DR was ‘blindsided’ maybe he should be having a go at his boss who didn’t keep him in the loop.

NZR may have needed to be more clear when the requested extension was not granted and they were going to make the announcement – we don’t know what that conversation was. But RA is trying to play the innocent victim here who had no clue, when the article you keep posting clearly shows this to be a lie at worst, or a deliberately misleading at best.

'Bloody angry', 'incredibly disappointing': Rennie furious, Marinos makes staggering claim about NZR CEO

The reporting here, even the wholly biased Fox sports, also says that RA knew that NZR were looking to not travel and had provided a deadline to RA which they did not meet.

All this ‘we never knew, they never told us’, is very misleading. From reports on both sides of the ditch now we here that they knew there was a deadline and it wasn’t met. No one should have been ‘blindsided’.

'Bloody angry', 'incredibly disappointing': Rennie furious, Marinos makes staggering claim about NZR CEO

Yea, you’re right, so we wouldn’t have been watching the 3rd test, I guess.
My point was really Rennie is trying to get on his ‘good of the game’ high horse, when a few weeks ago, it was solely Australia’s priorities he was looking out for.
It’s the same as all these holier than thou, bitter and twisted Aussie fans, letting out years (decades) of frustration, blowing this whole thing up out of proportion and actually losing sight of some facts.
Some of the narrative from people who should know better is embarrassing.

WATCH: Dave Rennie tears New Zealand Rugby a new one in extraordinary presser

Why? We beat them in the World Cup.

WATCH: Dave Rennie tears New Zealand Rugby a new one in extraordinary presser

“There’s only one of us who is interested in doing what’s best for the game.”

Was DR doing what was best for the game, or the best for Australia’s chances of a Bledisloe win when he said –
“We’ve talked about being prepared to be flexible and play on the 14th in New Zealand so that’s one of the likely outcomes but there’s certainly no option to play all three tests in New Zealand”

If he had agreed to 3 in NZ, we would be watching the 3rd test this weekend.

WATCH: Dave Rennie tears New Zealand Rugby a new one in extraordinary presser

Everyone seems to have missed that point. They haven’t pulled out or cancelled the RC, they have said they are staying put until a schedule has been confirmed. It seems inconceivable that a schedule hasn’t been sorted yet?

'Bloody angry', 'incredibly disappointing': Rennie furious, Marinos makes staggering claim about NZR CEO

Well… that sucks.

Not a surprise, but still…

All Blacks pull out of Perth Bledisloe, SANZAAR considers European options for TRC

“fans don’t care to watch a losing team”

This is way too generalist a comment. I’m a fan, as is Carlos, and you don’t speak for either of us.

What you should say is, ‘fans don’t care to watch their own team lose.’

I watch other teams to be entertained, it means little to me who wins or loses. So the ‘winning’ part becomes irrelevant – at least for me, and I’d assume most neutral viewers.

We're not here to entertain: Springboks

“last time I checked sponsors pay winners, not pretty losers.”

I’d check again. Sponsors like marketable stars; they will take a popular loser over an unpopular winner everyday of the week. The risk that SA take is becoming very unpopular and unmarketable, at least outside their own domestic market.

We're not here to entertain: Springboks

New Zealand
But we have done this dance before.
There isn’t any proof you will except. And you yourself have highlighted that when someone asks for proof, exactly as you have, it’s just to ridicule and discredit them. Yet, you continue to challenge everyone for proof.
But, like I said, we’ve done this dance and my feet are tired. I’m out.

'Nature of the world we live in': WA Premier casts doubt over Bledisloe 3, rules out TRC hosting

From a lot of the actions and inability to read play and the wider situation it really looked like the issue is the top 2 inches, not the physical bodies.

As you say Nick, they need to stay ‘blue head’, especially in stressful situations and under fatigue. I’m wondering how hard that is to ‘train’ for, as I assume that type of mental and physical fatigue in a test match is very difficult to emulate in (pressure free) training?

I was watching the Haka (obviously) and thought the Wallabies looked either bored, or respectful, or like it was something just to ‘get through’. I was reminded of something John Eales said years ago, he used the Haka to focus himself and the team. To switch it on mentally and focus on the job. Far from an ‘advantage’ some media scribes attribute to the Haka, Eales determined to use it against NZ. Much the same as England did in the RWC. The Wallabies tried to do something different to be fair, but it honestly looked like a half-arsed copy of England’s RWC ‘V’.

While not advocating that this is the solution for the Wallabies, it feels like they need to somehow switch on mentally to that focus and mindset that seems lacking right now. Currently it seems to be one track. Such as ‘be physical’, so they are physical without much thought as to the ‘why’ behind it, and what outcome they will actually get. Understanding that would lead to better execution. At least in my uninformed opinion.

Why the Wallabies are still looking for fool’s gold

It doesn’t take much of a difference for the score to blow out when the ABs try and break out. The Wallabies showed they can hold the ball – at least for a while – so now they need to get better at using that ball, not gifting it back to NZ in unstructured play or poor kicks. It’s not the physical side of the game so much as rugby smarts. I referenced To’omua’s post siren kick to BB as perfect example of really poor rugby smarts.

The simple, infallible way the Wallabies can stop losing the Bledisloe Cup every year

The possession, territory, and time in 22m stats are interesting and may be indicative of NZ needing less possession, territory or time in 22m to score and giving possession back to Wallabies. So, while it may seem like they ‘win’ those stats, the fact they were behind in the main stat, the score, inspire of having more ball and territory etc, should be a concern. Not a highlight.

The simple, infallible way the Wallabies can stop losing the Bledisloe Cup every year

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