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Rugby mad and sports crazy. Passionate about my teams and a firm believer that sport can transcend boundaries beyond the field or court.

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I’m not surprised with that Wellington had a strong wind haha.

And yea. Altitude and wind help, but still need the boot to do it. Not many players would make that kick, and with the accuracy too, it is a massive effort.

The hunt is on to track down the teen sensation who made one of the longest kicks ever

Massive kick.

Do we know the altitude and how strong as the wind? He has someone holding the ball, so must have been hard.

Still, a massive kick and one to be proud of.

The hunt is on to track down the teen sensation who made one of the longest kicks ever

Yea, I know, I was just picking a list of cultures to make a point. I know some of them had different causes for the disappearance.

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

I agree with the team you’ve named. But I don’t think they are capable of beating ABs right now (yes, I’m completely bias). Maybe keep the team for the last game and then there is a good shot. Keep that team together and they will grow in confidence and cohesion. This will breed future success, but maybe not instant success.

VOTE: Who should Dave Rennie in his Bledisloe 3 Wallabies team?

I know that’s what you meant, I just think the terminology used sometimes tries to legitimise violence or hint that is it justified. And I know that’s not your stand point.

I agree that RA and NZRFU need to help the islands, I don’t think they suck too much talent directly from the islands, I think most of the island talent is born and raised in situ. Look at how many NZ born players were in the last Samoan or Tongan sides. I think letting these players and too line players represent there country of their ethnic origins is good, but that doesn’t really help the islands in a tangible way. I think helping set up foundations and structure to nurture young talent and promote a sustainable development pathway would be more beneficial.

The problem, which you highlighted earlier, is population size. This feeds directly into economy, which impacts what can be developed and maintained. I don’t have an answer for it myself, and I don’t think there is a perfect solution.

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

While I agree with your overall point, be mindful of falling into a racist mindset against white people.

“Us white folk really don’t get it.
We’re obsessed with money & materialism.”

Your statement here is inherently racist, and I know that’s not how you meant it, but that is the trap. Especially when going down the ‘white guilt’ path.

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

I think your missing the point of ‘bending the knee’. This isn’t game of thrones, taking a knee is not a sign of fealty or reverence. It’s a sign of protest. The way you put it, those Christian players should also not stand and sing proudly the national anthem. But you can be a Christian and Australian. You can be Christian and take a stand against racism; you would almost think that is was a very Christian thing to do…

NIV John 13:34-35
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

Totally. I get so frustrated when I hear it. It’s used to somehow justify or legitimise racism, likes it deserved or is retribution for ‘actual’ racism. It’s not, racism is racism, hate begets hate.

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

“reverse violence”

What is reverse violence? Isn’t it just violence? It sounds like reverse racism, which is just racism.

“They don’t come to Australia to specifically play rugby. That is usually a by-product of them coming here. Islanders come here specifically to play rugby,”

Agree with your point here, but disagree with why islanders would come here – and here I specifically mean those born and raised in the islands, not those who are 2nd or 3rd generation. Those recent arrivals aren’t here to ‘play rugby’, they are here to earn money, playing rugby is way they do it, not the end goal.

To help this, RA and NZRFU need to make it financially viable for these players to remain in the islands and earn the same money, or play elsewhere in SR or Mitre 10 or what ever, and still play for their respective countries.

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

Fair enough, but the reality is that sports stars are ‘celebrities’, and celebrities have influence. Saying you don’t want to about it doesn’t change the reality that a lot of people and kids look up to celebrity’s and want to know mimic them and be like them. Why on earth do we buy team jumpers? Inevitably politics com me into it. Gone are the days where we can say ‘dance monkey but keep your mouth shut’.

I think a broad stand against racism is fairly innocuous though. I certainly don’t want to hear about there optician views. but I think they are on safe grounds to say racism is sh!thouse.

Is that my political view? It’s my view, but not sure it’s political?

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

Love your comment.

“Hate begets hate.”

And I love you highlight racism can be against anybody, black or white. I’ve heard racism against white people called ‘reverse racism’ – no, it’s just racism, reverse racism would be no racism at all.

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

I think the gist of both your points are “do more than a token knee”. And I grew with tokenism being a ‘tick box’ option for a lot of people. So many trends or SJW are pushed on social media with people ‘liking’ or changing profile pictures. I have no issue with that, it does help raise awareness… but on the other hand, so what. Awareness means nothing if nothing changes or nothing is done. How many people promoted ‘Koni 2012’ but actually did nothing?

As long as RA is helping communities and doing actual work to develop the game in indigenous communities m, that’s the work I want to support and if taking a knee helps bring in support, and isn’t just tokenism, then ok.

And to be fair, it does look like RA is baking up its stand…

https://australia.rugby/diversity/first%20nations/dream%20big%20time

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

Exactly, but I don’t see the Wallabies putting in a quota system like the Boks had to do. And yea, totally different political situation, I get it.

But I think it would be fair to say that a player picked for the Wallabies would be there on form and talent. Gone are the days where they were picked because they wore sky blue..

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

Sure, maybe we need to include the Mayans, Easter Islanders, Inca. Angkor, Niya, or Harappan peoples in the protest too.

I get what your saying, but the New Zealanders on the field are no more responsible for what the Taranaki Maori did back then as they are responsible for what happened to the cultures and civilisations I noted. The sins of our ancestors should not be punished on the scions of those people. Otherwise all people with European ancestry… wow. Or anyone with some Scandinavian blood… oh ohhhh.

I think it’s great they are trying to recognise the gap that has resulted in no indigenous people in the team. This should be seen in a positive light, provided it helps maintain the changes that as happening.

And the Wallabies tend to do pretty well in the jumper too… damn.

Wallabies unveil new Indigenous jersey but want to attract more First Nations players

Italy could very well be part of the Lions, it’s just that none of their players have made the squad?*

*i do know that they aren’t, I’m just being facetious.

The quick questions: Blame games and compensation claims

I think the point is to point out it wasn’t just the Darkness trying to circumvent laws it’s was both teams. Like Hoiles said ages ago, Wallabies need to learn to ‘che@t’ better. Although, I agree that a lot of this stuff I wouldn’t consider che@ting, regardless of who was doing it.

How Dave Rennie’s words came back to haunt him at Eden Park

Yea, I think playing to interpretation is what sets the top teams apart and certainly made some very good players into exceptional ones. Unfortunately the other label gets thrown around by opposition. I wrote an article a while ago, which basically said that rugby laws are like tax laws, if you’re not doing everything you can to get around them, your doing something wrong.

How Dave Rennie’s words came back to haunt him at Eden Park

Really was his theme for the match. I did like where Aaron Smith stopped during a ruck and looked at him with hands out, with everyone else kinda stopping, and Gardner was like, “what? play on!”.

How Dave Rennie’s words came back to haunt him at Eden Park

It is interesting viewing if you look at the these clips. You see all sorts of things you can interpret. In Nic’s example of Goodhue deliberately rolling into White, Goodhue has to roll, as his initial attempt to exit the tackle area was thwarted by Hooper effectively sitting on him. Very clever play to prevent a key midfield defender reloading quickly and put him on the wrong side of the ruck to potentially get pinged for not rolling. Luckily Gardner is an astute enough ref not to fall for Hoopers shenanigans.

See, it’s all interpretation 😁

How Dave Rennie’s words came back to haunt him at Eden Park

You did see Wilson literally air born fly into a ruck early on. Didn’t see a lot of restraint or hesitation there.

How Dave Rennie’s words came back to haunt him at Eden Park

Nice article Nic.

What I took away was that Gardner had quite an open mind on what he would allow and the ABs planned for and adjusted better than the Wallabies. The old adage of playing to the whistle comes to mine, and that the ref is the sole judge of fact on the field.

I also note that poor technique and slowness across the field was also pointed out but has largely been ignored in favour of finger pointing.

I’m also taking away, and can see in the comments, that all those who were desperate to blame the ref and call the ABs cheats now have an outlet and have come out in droves. It was a nice few days while it lasted.

How Dave Rennie’s words came back to haunt him at Eden Park

Caleb Clarke is a Caleb Clarke. He is at the very start of his career, Campo had a long career a lifetime ago in a different age, and Lomu, whose career was shorter than it should have been, played in a different era also. I agree he isn’t either of them and I wish we wouldn’t be writing kids up to legendary status before their time.

When will the Wallabies learn?

Yea, it is quite particular wording and is definitely a spin on ‘free’. Was the Fox offer pure cash or was it a mix? Can’t pay salaries with advertising, so need to get a decent chunk as cash. Unless they mean, $30m in cash, and free advertising on top, to balance out the $30-$40m fox offer?

Nine reportedly enters rugby broadcast frame with bid for TV and streaming rights

You’re right she should never have taken his word in the first instance. But let’s not rehash that tired old thread.

Nine reportedly enters rugby broadcast frame with bid for TV and streaming rights

This wasn’t far off to be honest. The difference was only 3 at half time, and the end result was 17 so, pretty sound prediction.

Bold Bledisloe selection calls prove the Wallabies are in excellent hands