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A cynic would suggest that this part of his campaign to get there next time
Ashes 'would've been 4-0' if I'd been fit: Lyon stokes England rivalry as he sets sights on 2027 unfinished business
Taking this to the neutral space / I hate the way defenders and their friends impede big forwards. All of this blocking and “clever” chop outs. I also hate it when the attacking team does same.
It’s hard to know who started it. But it certainly was less common when you could get steamrolled by certain large forwards who had immunity.
It was a better game to watch at that time IMHO. Leading forwards because nobody flooded. High flying forwards. The occasional actual player on player test of actual strength.
Less coaches, more instinctive. Innocent. Immature, maybe even.
(I always thought the undiscussed element of Keath getting smashed by Lynch was “what was Keath doing there at that time?”)
I would much rather watch 100 versus 98 every game, at least until it becomes boring. And 150 points when it happens.
Less tackling, more play. And forwards being allowed to be forwards. Good defenders will still prosper and beat their opponent – fairly.
And thus I align with the general emphasis of Don’s post – and also some but not all of the specifics. Richmond seemed to play a fairly deliberate “push the rules because they are better” type of game across the park last week
. Pickett for one got rewarded for doing so, probably because the umps seemed to miss his 10 or so deliberate frees, maybe because Freo were pinging off with the ball in the other direction
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Elite honesty etc etc
Omg o need to vomit now. Somebody mute me!
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Attention to detail will get us back on track.
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
(He’s 21.)
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
See above
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Rioli and Short will play their 200th next year
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Setting standards. 15 disposals mostly uncontested and changers everywhere. 4 tackles. And enough deliberate illegal acts to fill a textbook.
Yes, son, that will do. Run around next week.
The kid in question we are playing as part of “playing the kids” only has 86 games.
But he is 32 and a half…
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Yze out.
Giving Pickett yet another chance over some of the draftees is just a disgrace.
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
So we punted McIntosh and kept Pickett. Yze out!
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
I do. It was a good debut but in classic Richmond style you would have thought we had found the next Matthew Scarlett.
Since then he has gone way backwards – not forwards. his lower body will constrain development of his upper body
So he can only be a grimes
So we overpaid with 9
There is a gun 192cm intercepted, 25 yrs, we can get for free in the MSD…
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
they need to start feeding him some steaks etc (Rancey was about 96kg at peak and was 2cm shorter. Gibcus was listed at 91 at trade but seemed about 65 this season?)
but probably can’t ill he gets his lower body right?
he just screams “David Bourke” at me?
Rance was pick 17. pick 9 just seems too high to me?
oh well…
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
it’s worth looking back now, at each separately.
TARANTO
Pros
– initial pick 2
– 114 games
– 25 yrs
– some goal sense
– finals experience including a very respectable GF display in a lost cause
– great name and heritage. he is Matthew Santos
Cons
– had not preformed to pick 2 level
– Giants got smashed in 2022
– not in AA squad in either 21 or 22
– only 6 Brownlow votes in 22
the deal – swap for 12 and 19. on a points basis, we got him on a pick 49 level discount from his initial draft ranking. this is the same as saying we spent pick 4 on him (but it was our two earliest picks).
comparison – Prestia – was a year and 20 games younger when we took him, we cleverly made the deal 6 and our future second (which we made 36!), for 24. the points analysis says we had an eventual price of pick 10, for a previous pick 9, with an excellent record but injuries.
summary: the Taranto deal was ok on paper. you can only spend the picks you have that year. clearly we would have paid less or haggled more in 21 due to our low finish.
we we weren’t to know just how good Prestia would turn out. a massively important part of the flags.
Taranto – jury out, not a miss at this stage after his late 23 form. but he needs 5 more years of that.
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HOPPER
Pros
– initial pick 7
– 114 games
– 25 years
– AA squad 2021
Cons
– only played 7 games in 2022
– had not really performed to pick 7 level
– no goal sense
– injury prone?
the deal: Hopper, 53 and 63 for 31 and future first (this turned out be 8, traded to Adelaide – for Curtin).
53 was effectively Steely Green. 63 not used. the assessment is that we paid pick 6 for Hopper. I would place it higher given the nothingness of the picks we received.
so effectively we paid a higher price for Hopper. than we did for Taranto. or Prestia.
so the pressure is really on Hopper to get fit and give us 3-4 years that reflects what we paid for him.
so far – a big miss.
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in summary of summaries, the idea of strengthening the mids with middle agers was probably a good one. our midfield other than Graham WAS in steep decline and old.
were they the best we could get – maybe
did we pay to much – yes, especially for Hopper. probably the sort of history I prefer is that we get 1 in 21 (an earlier rebuild) and another in 22, and don’t stop getting actual young talent. (and developing it).
are they delivering – not yet?
how will we feel about it in 5 years – hopefully better than we do now!
best scenario – they both get fit and gel, we draft in 2-3 elite mids and in 3 years we are humming.
worst scenario – both are crocked and we think about the 4 kids we could have got.
o well….
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Dogs went to Perth. and Sydney.
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Adelaide…
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
we snuck into the lower bit of the 8 2 years ago and the list is worse now, even without injury, and many other teams have imporved.
i reckon if we had everyone fit we might come a respectable 12th, 8 wins sort of territory.
17th is better. and a priority pick a bonus 🙂
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
the Hawks won 17. had 132%. played 3 finals won all 3 finals exceedingly impressively. only just lost to the Cats in H and A
the Cats blew it.
the Hawks were a very fine side and capitalised on it. they kicked 10 goals in the second half.
you got the taper wrong. it happens. oh well.
time for credit where credit’s due?
(I’ve finally got over 1972 and am working on 82)
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
get both but pay half of what we did
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Not good enough I think you mean
Absolutely.:
– Edwards and Lambert done
– poorer skill
Less efdort
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Hawthorn had a great year and played a great finals series
Totally worthy Premiers
(It happened to us in 72)
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
We can get even more if we trade well
But can we use them well?
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
This is the real issue here. I have to say I completely agree with don’s assessment of our list and squad
We got here due to a number of factors – including prolonged success
But our unique reliance on a tight cohort of relatively unskilled role players always left us intensely exposed to a deep fall.
We should have started to address this 3 years ago. We have made it worse not better
And now we face young kids coming in to a new coach with no cattle and nobody really around to guide them
It’s got KB written all over it
It’s a crisis we can avoid if we go hard this year.
Our fully fit list is no good and will get worse before it gets better
Focussing on who is injured from that list is just a distraction IMHO.
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
We have a game plan?!
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Yes but he came back from a season of presumably low levels of lower body training and he looked even slighter than when he was drafted. He was absolutely manhandled.
He could mature into a bigger body who can stand the beasts, but he seemed to me that he would only ever be a Grimes style 3rd defender intercept type – which is absolutely crucial… but not sure we needed to spend pick 9 to get one?
Anyway, not about him. It’s about getting the Astbury or Rance type who lets him be him. (I think all of Miller Young and Brown have shown potential, especially Brown. Giving them a more seasoned body lets them destress a bit (Freo monstered us and others are bigger). And it allows Balta to be a ruck- wing-forward option.
From injuries to coaching decisions and even umpiring calls, it's all going wrong at Richmond in 2024
Hughes was sublime in the ODIers in England in 80.
Had experience in the 79 World Cup as a green skipper. In England.
We’d won the ODI games in 81.
He was our best bat in 82-3 and had many excellent ODI innings against test attacks from the Windies and Pakistan and England on low quality pitches out here
At a time when players were still learning the game. And he hadn’t had the education or experience that lesser WSC players had.
He had had effectively 3 weeks bad form after a golden summer. But captained well. And we won.
But you would have dropped him for Inverarity. Ok. Click.
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He batted reasonably well in the WC
Batted brilliantly again in the next test summer. Captained well, too.
Was instrumental in us almost beating the Windies for once in the ODI tournament.
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In the middle fell the World Cup and the worst atmosphere ever by all accounts. Hookes siding with Lillee (who should not have gone) and Marsh. Thommo getting tonked. The SA stuff
Yet it was really the India loss that cost us. If we had won both those games we qualify. Even if we beat Zimbabwe – we don’t.
(Hookes captained the loss…)
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Hughes apparently flew home alone and Ryan then details his account of how the Board used Hughes as a pawn one final time to stymie Marsh. And how Chappell allegedly tried to broker a peace (of sorts) but the Hughes “faction” stood firm/
As per above; that seemed of no consequence for the home summer – but it could not hold.
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It’s easy to see in hindsight that Hughes probably should never have captained the country, or maybe not until much much later. But repeatedly mostly that was but his fault.
But emphasising that by suggesting he should not even have gone in 83 seems way over the top for mine.
Australia's 1983 World Cup disaster: How selection ruined our chances