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NB – It is not about offside in that case but under foul play – obstruction.

by law – foul play obstruction

A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from having the opportunity to play the ball, other than by competing for possession.

So when the player jumps early and into the would be receivers space, makes no contact, but stops him playing at the coming ball by impeding him, and is not competing for possession , imo it is obstruction.

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

if these techniques are so well known then Marx does very well to still make a lot of turnovers. It seems to me once he is set players still have a lot of trouble removing him.
Can is certainly not the only one.

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

NB – Discussion with Otago is about something else.

It is clear when contact is made to the jumper it is in terms of dangerous play which is under foul play.

The discussion we were having was when the chaser jumps through the space but makes no contact and whether that is legal. If he impedes access to the ball and is not competing for possession then it comes under obstruction.

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

mactruck – McReight did have cover coming across, but I ould have liked to see him pass it to him.

The offload to slipper was not at warp speed, also it was clearly the best option.
Look at the clip there are 4 arg players on him and no aussies near to secure the ruck, either a penalty or easy turnover would have happened. If slipper wasn’t ready for the offload he should be in there securing the ball.

The wallabies should always be ready for an offload from QC.

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

Arnolds carries are better than both Philips and Swains though

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

numpty – I have never claimed it is probable, NL has proven to not be up to it, so even if it is unlikely there is a chance one of the new guys can perform better than him. There is no harm in finding out.

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

I thought Philip was more similar to Arnold myself

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

not sure about that.

He was a great player, but you can’t teach what he did instinctively, it just came to him.

When he was coach before he found it hard to teach the 10 what came so easily to him but they struggled to get it. Hope he has improved in that.

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

like I said I can’t tell from that clip

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

David – IMO foul play , obstruction covers it.

It is a long bow to look at the spirit of the game which is in fact

Foul Play – Misconduct
A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship

Refs pull this out if they think something is not quite right , and use this as the catch all, or have actually blown the whistle realize they got it wrong and use this as the get out card instead of admitting they got it wrong.

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

agree, it is up to the judgement of the ref if they are competing for the ball.

A player leaping doesn’t have more rights but it comes down to timing. Who arrives first. If the player is in a position to catch the ball it is ok whether he jumps or not.

The issue comes where they jump or run past where the ball is going to land never in a position to catch it, but impede to receiver trying to catch the ball, he often can’t now jump for the ball.

If the receiver jumps first then the chaser must not make contact or stop under him so he lands on him but this comes down to dangerous play not obstruction.

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

yes NL may end up being good enough post rwc, I don’t see the improvement rate sufficient in time for the rwc though

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

Philip is very good in the maul as well.

Swain is a bit better in the lineout.

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

Philip is a better combination against SA so I do expect him back then.

NL coming back would be ok since he has White and Paisami around him. Mind you if JoC goes well he may hold onto the spot.

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

Potential is the only straw available since NL has not developed quickly enough and QC is in doubt for the rwc.

If they don’t perform then you have no choice to stick with NL , other than the hail mary of a resurrected Foley.

It doesn’t hurt to find out off the bench. It may work, I have never said it is a high chance of success.

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

JoC has a better short kicking game.
He also runs the ball better so does get the backline moving forward more often.

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

they like the running game in japan

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

by law – foul play obstruction

A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from having the opportunity to play the ball, other than by competing for possession.

This is why changing lanes whilst going back to where the catcher is impeding the chasers is a penalty.

The same law can and should be applied here since when they jump through they are never in a position to go for the ball hence they are not competing for possession.

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

yes that is my point put succinctly. Also impedes the attack near the ruck.
Also means he is slower to get to the next ruck.

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

the same should apply in the example i gave by running in front of the ball on the ground impeding players trying to get to it.

The point is you are in front of the ball intentionally blocking access.

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

I thought he turned around but didn’t drop his shoulder, it looked like the arg player ran into him trying to milk a penalty / card

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

with the long term view I see that, for winning this game Simone is the better choice.

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

yes he did very well in 2015 and downhill from then on.

QC was better clearly from 2017 onwards and never given the right opportunity.

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

off the ball play and offsides around the ruck are also the refs and his positioning means he can’t see them well, standing over the ruck like a chook pecking worms.

I don’t have an issue that he is so pedantic at the ruck, up to the players and coaches to adjust.

The issue is it cause his very poor positioning and getting in the way of the attack time and again.

Coach's corner: Quade traits JOC must replicate, proof ref had a shocker and Cane's brutal reality check

Arnold is very strong on both sides of the ball in collisions. He is excellent in cleanouts also. Better than Philip in these areas which are his strength.

Lets face it Arnold is better than Philip in every area except work rate, I would say Swain may be better than Arnold in the lineout since he gets up so fast but Arnold is better in everything else including the maul.

Note I qualified this by saying against Arg.

Arg are weak in the lineout and maul, note the 3 tries.

By using Swain both these areas are strengthened and it means you can rely on the lineout more. This will allow ball off the back and a platform for tries.

Holloway adds the physicality needed in tight.
You also have Tupou starting instead of AAA.

Against Boks I would have Philip since I believe in horses for courses.

I do see it as a tradeoff of course.

WALLABIES TEAM: JOC gets redemption shot after 'stinker', Foketi's first start, prop to debut

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