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Who wins the John Eales Medal?

As I cast back my mind over the last 12 months of internationals, quite aptly, the phrase “nobody is perfect” comes to mind. That phrase, of course, is synonymous with John Eales and for good reason. This then makes me think of the upcoming John Eales medal award.

I disagree unless you rate players games relative to what was expected.

Walton and Newsome , and others played better than expected however it is a bridge too far to say they had good games.

Just like the much touted Will Harris did not have a good game.

Surely a good game is a 7/10 or a 6.5/10 at worst.

The young guys had games where you can see they can become much better and there is a lot to look forward to, yes I agree with that.

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

not quite
Players may push provided they do so straight and parallel to the ground

So if a collapse is caused by pushing down or a player forced up by pushing up they are both penalties.

Also
All players’ binding is maintained for the duration of the scrum.
Sanction: Penalty.

So if you stand up and release the bind it is a penalty.

Also specific dangerous play

Dangerous play in a scrum includes:
Pulling an opponent.
Intentionally lifting an opponent off their feet or forcing them upwards out of the scrum.
Intentionally collapsing a scrum.
Intentionally falling or kneeling.

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

a penalty try also requires a yc to given to someone

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

on the basis of just the last round where he was the least impressive 10, behind Harrison , Joc and Loelesio.

Last years Intl form and previous super rugby form ignored.

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

agree the experienced front row know a lot more of what is happening in the scrum than any ref.

However the ref will see more infringing than any one player since they are best positioned to observe more of it. Even then they miss a lot, and ignore a lot.

The ref is correct to talk to the players mid game to inform them that particular illegalities are occurring too much and they need to fix it. In some/many cases it goes too far in then also telling them how to fix it.

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

jcmasher – The issue is the refs at professional level see and knowingly ignore many infringements in the scrum.

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

However a penalty try also requires a mandatory yc.

The real issue is HJH was actually the culprit on the last 2 penalties only the first was fair on Bell. HJH folded in, lost his bind and collapsed. Of course it may be that the reds angled in but accepting tahs were at fault then it was on his side not Bell’s.

Even if 2 were fair on Bell the last was certainly HJH’s fault. So he should have been carded for a team repeat infringement not Bell.

The Wrap: Be patient and Super Rugby AU will stand on its own five feet

It does show though that I do read articles carefully 😂

Reds win shows the value of the National Rugby Championship as Australian rugby’s premier development competition

Good article Rhys.

To nitpick though , no way does Stewart have brutal defence. Players don’t get up holding their ribs or get hurt from his defence.

Reds win shows the value of the National Rugby Championship as Australian rugby’s premier development competition

don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed the game and Ramm played well.

However people seem to eologise players and overlook the faults especially when they are the next big thing. Far too much overhype on players before the game and then too much for some players based on what they actually delivered.

Super Rugby AU: A new hope for the Waratahs?

Other than Wilson carrying more than twice as much, scoring a try, making almost twice the amount of tackles, sure a really close equivalence.

There is no doubt Wilson had more impact and played better.

Super Rugby AU: A new hope for the Waratahs?

tahs forwards dominated at scrum, ruck and general play. Only their lineout was better (a lot better). Only Swinton and Hooper performed well, HLH good general play marked down for poor scrumming. No mauls in the game to judge upon.

The backs only Harrison, Ram and Maddocks performed.

Also the discipline was very poor.

The reds had far more that performed and played as a team. They certainly looked a better team and the score, 6 points difference, did not reflect the difference in quality of play.

Super Rugby AU: A new hope for the Waratahs?

jeznez – O n the 3rd penalty I saw HJH hit the ground first, turned inwards and looked like he had lost his bind. That situation is a common penalty for collapsing, or not staying straight, or for releasing the bind.
Of course Reds may have offended first by angled boring in but no overhead shot or shot on that side to be sure.
However IMO no way did Bell deserve to be penalised. If it was considered a team repeat infringement then HJH should have been binned.
On Tupou yc I agree. His first late charge he could have pulled out of it, the second he was right on him. That said he should know he had the refs attention and not smart to take the risk on a second one, all he had to do was try and pull out.
I do feel the tahs milked it though.

Super Rugby AU: A new hope for the Waratahs?

Until I see a proposed change to eligibility I discount that as likely. At the minimum you need to see the qualifying eligibility, or will it be open slather, or just for ‘special’ cases i.e no depth.

Michael Hooper's starting Wallabies spot is at risk

A little bit of overhype IMO.

Ramm ran well but missed a lot of tackles. Also he does not have genuine pace as some have claimed. He could just keep up with McDermott as an example. he would not be any quicker than Maddocks.

Also William Harris totally overhyped before the game. He needed up doing nothing to standout at all.

Both teams made a lot of mistakes.

Very poor discipline and lack of rugby nous lost it for the tahs.

Very pleasing to see how much better Maddocks is at f/b than Beale has been though.

Super Rugby AU: A new hope for the Waratahs?

I agree
The tahs were not as good as the score line shows.
Reds due to poor timing (lack of thought) had 2 tries rightfully disallowed. Wright should have waited longer to stay onside, and Tupou needed to step back 1 step to be onside to pick up the ball.
6 tries to 2 would have been more indictive of the difference. Tahs forwards outclassed except in the linout. That said JoC was lucky to get away with 2 questionable passes that lead to tries, at least should have been reviewed.

Super Rugby AU: A new hope for the Waratahs?

Maddocks made 4 tackles and missed none. If it was Beale it would be made 1 tackle and missed 2, he would not have got close to that try saving tackle on McDermott that Maddocks made so it would not be counted in the tackle stats.

Super Rugby AU: A new hope for the Waratahs?

The pack needs a power forward for ball carrying and yes another 1 or 2 that hit rucks all day.

The lack of ball carrying to get over the line hurts them, having to rely on the backs to get front foot ball.

Super Rugby AU: A new hope for the Waratahs?

Disagree that Hooper is the safest.

Kuridrani has to be the safest.

No other 13 is close to him. Newsome, Hodge/English, Paisami?

Michael Hooper's starting Wallabies spot is at risk

jeznez – agree that both Hooper and Wright had good games.

However IMO McReight slightly edged both of them.

He had key turnovers (4 of them) and managed the ruck laws the best. He had the most and consistent impact at the ruck.

Michael Hooper's starting Wallabies spot is at risk

Actually forced a goal line drop out under the law variations being trialled, not a 5 metre scrum.

Hooper had a solid game as did Wright.

IMO Wright and McReight both show more rugby nous than Hooper.

Out of the 3 McReight had the best game.

Michael Hooper's starting Wallabies spot is at risk

JoC did play well.

IMO Harrison was slightly better though.

O’Connor kicking goals in Super return

Also remember I stated the teams on the game day.

Look at the last match tahs won 40-32 in brisbane.

REDS
15Matt McGahan, FB
14Jock Campbell, W
13Chris Feauai-Sautia, C
12Samu Kerevi, C
11Sefanaia Naivalu, W
10Bryce Hegarty, FH
9Tate McDermott, SH
1Jean-Pierre Smith, P
2Alex Mafi, H
3Taniela Tupou, P
4Izack Rodda, L
5Angus Blyth, L
6Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, FL
7Liam Wright, FL
8Angus Scott-Young, N8

WARAT
15Kurtley Beale, FB
14Alex Newsome, W
13Adam Ashley-Cooper, C
12Karmichael Hunt, C
11Cameron Clark, W
10Bernard Foley, FH
9Nick Phipps, SH
1Tom Robertson, P
2Damien Fitzpatrick, H
3Sekope Kepu, P
4Ned Hanigan, L
5Rob Simmons, L
6Lachlan Swinton, FL
7Michael Hooper, FL
8Michael Wells, N8

It is clear the reds on paper had a better team

Reds looking to break derby drought in Super Rugby AU opener

A lot of experience in losing, a lot of experience being selected for higher honours when better players were over looked.

Additionally I remember some of the best players being out during some of those encounters.

Yes Reds have had the stronger teams on paper the last few years.

Reds looking to break derby drought in Super Rugby AU opener

Last few years Reds have had the better team on paper yet managed to lose every game between the 2.

This year the difference is overwhelming, if the reds lose this it is a terrible indictment against BT.

Reds should win this in a canter , a narrow win is not good enough, it would not show any improvement in the bigger picture of the reds enduring and perpetual rebuild.

Reds looking to break derby drought in Super Rugby AU opener