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Fun article and good effort getting all those names down i2i

Cricket's funniest partnership names

His neck was on the line after multiple low posesssion games so it wasnt good timing it was essential otherwise he would have been dropped

Bombers veteran David Zaharakis hits form at right time

Outside of one innings in England Paine was terrible with bat there. There’s no way around that . Siddle had a better average I think . Not sure I’m counting this last Australian summer opposition was dire and conditions and batting first made it a cake walk . Paine’s batting has been on the slide for me for some time and that’s natural at his age . Id like to win the ashes in England not just retain them when some of batting really cost us not the mention the drs . Carey shows more promise with bat for me but keeping still a bit behind but we need to realise Paine turns 36 this summer . Paines batting several years ago was much better so that’s where some credit is due but his dip in batting form conincides with his age . It happens around his age . the averages, outside of smith and labs, with bat were not acceptable and poor in England last year . I’ll give credit to siddle for an amazing bat in first test to turn it around with Smith but he’s a bowler. The other batsman (besides maybe wade on a few occasions) who I’m still skeptical on with technique away from flat pitches , were generally poor average wise . I’m not reading much off our summer it was poor opposition and Australia had alot of favors with hot weather , batting first and injuries to nz . This summer will give us a better indication but it is a home series . Maddinson deserves a shot if head wade and whoever opens don’t have consistency and make some big scores .

Tim Paine's batting deserves more credit

Pujara maybe even in front of kohlis recent test form as opposed to his overall test form . On ashes form it’s Cummins Hazelwood as standouts if fit . I’d have decock as keeper for his batting strength in addition . Spinner is tricky right now , Lyon was average in ashes , some question marks against poor opposition in Aus . This is a current xv I’m looking at and the form in the last two yeaesb pre covid was a bit variable on some of thel players with great previous records who can tend to Excel a bit more in the short form .

The current world's best Test XI

Warner only if match played in Australia no chance abroad better openers . His ashes were so dire. He faced an inept Pakistan attack and his performances against nz were ordinary outside of the last test when nz were beaten and decimated . Like the team smith onwards . Is it just me or has Kholi has been a bit average in tests more recently (he’s been superb in odi ) . I do note an average of 47.5 in the article which is enough . Williamson got badly exposed in Aus . Some question marks on more recent form despite past brilliance . I like the team from smith onwards and probably would have Kohli but pujara looms as a test candidate . India have some very good test batsman in form right now one spinner is needed too but no stand out . Cummins in then bumrah or Hazelwood who was on fire in the ashes . Wagner was amazing on Aussie soil this last summer . Recent Away form gets extra points . Cummins Hazelwood bumrah and Wagner have all done well away from home

The current world's best Test XI

Zakarakis has been pretty non existent in first few rounds wonder if his time was up last season needs more impact as a senior player . Tippa needs some tall timber next to him Stewart or daniher asap or move him to half back line or roster with McKenna

Essendon were so close – but really, so very far away

Pretty tricky time with so much uncertainty around daniher and Melbourne limiting to local derbies for a month . The season is a training run at best . Would be good if heppell can stop getting major injuries next season and fantasia has a good run not to mention McKenna settles for a few years and stops disappearing to Ireland mid season. Be interesting to give James Stewart another crack up front

Essendon were so close – but really, so very far away

I think that’s what it’s all about for me smith is the right guy to groom the next captain and at a good age for it 2 to 3 years before we let one of the younger guys have a go for me

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

I’d certainly not appoint Cummins yet . Every road leads to smith on multiple levels people need to get over the past it’s long gone and smith is a liked generous charitable guy off field and will surely be a much tougher man manager in the hutch now , hes the best captain and most experienced in the team and head and Cummins would learn more and more from him as would labuschagne and one of them can take the role 2 to 3 years on

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Don’t know about that on warne he captained the odi Aussie side 16 times for 16 wins I recall or close to that record . He was a great leader on the field mate and always next to captains making decisions and set his own fields to his bowling with great success over many years . He would have made a better captain than ponting . What cost him the gig was his off field antics particularly in England with women. We were tactically beaten in a few ashes In which ponting made some poor decisions . In effect leaving ponting to bat and not captain would have kept his average closer to 60 . It went down after he became captain.

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Still have a watchful eye on Lyon this summer against India he needs to bowl well

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Paul point four is your best comment in that yes he would only captain the test team as Finch is great in. Short form . I’m not sure there’s a problem with the other four points , the interim period is long over and smith has been a good role model off the field and really think the ban is for not managing or rather knowing Warner would stoop so low and the press conference that CA should have been there to manage sooner . His bam was excessive for me and I think he’s got nothing to prove anymore and look what he did in the ashes . He will simply be a better captain and he’s never had a problem off the field . He was very astute during the ashes with Paine relying on him for decisions at times and not listening at other times to smith when he should have arguably . He’s the most experienced man for the job and Australia would only improve for sat two to three years with Smith as captain and he could groom the successor . I think people need to forgive his negligence and move on its not like he chose sandpaper and had intent to use it . It’s been a ridiculous persecution for me and he’s come through it like champions do leading the team with his bat to retaining the ashes alongside some great pace bowling

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Patrick I’m also coming off as a bit stern on paine but I do want what is best for the Aussie team going forward. I want to pay compliment to him as a great person, and a guy that did well under an incredibly difficult situation. He is very likable but I think Smith probably is too and will be a much better man manager now and Warner has been put his his box and really any captain in more recent times would have struggled with Warner as he’s erratic and impulsive . If smith had intent in the process on field id be more negative but I think he’s more than done his time and What I saw him do in england was nigh on incredible and time after time I could see Paine going to smith for decision making when I sat in the stands it wasn’t so obvious on the screens. I think this aussie squad could galvanize under smith now. Paine may get the gig this summer due to an easy 5 nil series win at home . Smith would have got the same result or Ponting as the matches were often over on day 1 or 2 with opening batting and winning toss and NZs decimation. I actually think it was a fitting way for paine to go out as captain instead of waiting for a bad loss abroad or against India potentially. Let him Keep and enjoy that process as the interim period is over and the past is now the past. Smiths the most experienced of the lot of them as international captain and will be a much stronger leader for me. Groom cummins or possibly head in under smith if he can find consistent batting abroad. Id love paine to concentrate on grooming carey or next keeper in in the coming 18 months as he’s not getting any younger. Aus can play to its strength in prep of the upcoming massive subcontinent tour which I think is 2022 and that will be a tough one abroad so would want to be chopping and changing captaincy then

How good has the 'Tim Paine era' been for Australian cricket?

Patrick appreciate the well written thoughts and a few good points but your underestimating the horrendous amount of decisions Paine made in the ashes. The bad decisions went series long (not just a few bad decisions) and his horrendous DRS record spoke for itself with smith calling for a review in the key Headingly loss and then Paine absolutely wasted a decision.
Re some of your comments heres some key highlights:
He left it way too late to throw to the ball to labauschagne at manchester, should have been bowling him much much earlier than last few overs as commented on air several times.
Awful decision to bowl first in fifth test two days after bowling in fourth test for most part of three days in a row in that preceding test . Awful decision.
DRS howler in the third test really cost us the match and series , Smith was begging to challenge. Replays showed a review would’ve been successful and Border was fuming by Tim Paine’s poor use of the system.
Allan Border “The one time where the review was there to be taken for the right reason and to win the Test match, we’ve run out of reviews because of stupidity earlier on,” . “It’s come back to bite us badly. Our use of the review system has been appalling in this series in particular.”
One more example off the top of my head DRS nightmare in england with day three of final test as poor judgment cost Australia two wickets. Mitchell Marsh struck Joe Denly on the pad on 54 and appealed loudly but umpire Marais Erasmus kept his finger down and Paine decided not to review. Replays showed had the Aussies challenged, Denly would have been out because the ball was crashing into leg stump.
He got nearly every single challenge wrong. Ricky Ponting said it was “staggering” Paine didn’t review in that instance because the appeal came at a time when Australia was desperate for a wicket. déjà vu in the final session when umpire Kumar Dharmasena didn’t reward Nathan Lyon for an LBW shout. Again, Paine chose not to review but Hawkeye showed the ball was hitting the stumps and had the Aussies challenged, Jos Buttler would have been out.
“I don’t know mate, I’m getting it wrong,” Paine said about his troubles with technology. “I don’t know what else to say.
The decision by Paine to bowl all morning long on a rain effected fifth day lords ( I was there ) when Lyon was getting nothing out of the pitch and turn was in the rough on the other side of the pitch and he wouldn’t bowl labauschange much at all. Denly got wickets there from memory . Allowed england to thump runs . It put australia in a pressure cooker situation which nearly lost us the test not for labs heroic efforts hanging on.
Paine was awful with decision making in england. We had our hands in our heads at Lords and headingly .
Moreover in the first test . Paine came out swinging like a looney at the ball with bat when his team needed a conservative innings. Head was ok in some innings but you can thank Siddle for hanging with smith to turn it around in the first test. He did the job that Paine should have done but for his reckless hook hitting to get caught when there was no need.
I have to disagree on paine . He’s a poor decision maker , appreciate your thoughts though

How good has the 'Tim Paine era' been for Australian cricket?

Disagree still Jeff . One may not equate to the other but Smiths the best captain in this team right now by some distance . Past is the past. He will be a much stronger player manager now and thats his weakness. He was all over paine in the ashes with better decisions at slip. I watched it ringside in england at two tests. Paine made alot of key blunders tactically in each test. Have to go to town on this point reapeatadly on this forum as people are recreating reality on the england series decision making on here.for me. Interim period is over. Id argue paine should concentrate on his wicket keeping and improve his away batting and groom the next keeper he’s done his job in the interim period but he’s not great tactically and the recent series in Australia was a 5 nil gift given the openers thumped up huge runs, and we won’t the toss a lot and NZ got hammered with injuries . Id certainly want the new captain in place for the big subcontinent tour if it happens and prefer that captain to have a few tests at home to galvanize the team before the ball is ripping and pressure is on over there. Paines getting a bit long in the tooth as well

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Id disagree Simoc Smiths a way better captain than Paine . Paine was a poor decision maker in the ashes test after test at key moments. Smith, labs and Cummins save his hind big time. Id say let Paine concentrate on his poor batting away from home and also let him concentrate on his great keeping and usher in the next keeper. Interim period is over We need to move on . Smith will be a much better captain and Paines average as captain is bumped up significantly by a number of obvious factors.

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Smith captain easily. He’s done his time and will be better for it and was all over paine tactically in the tests in england. Cummins I’m a huge fan but why not usher him in to the role . He’s had stress fractures before and is bowling at an average which is pretty much leading australian pace bowler alongside glenn mcgrath right now . Smith has the experience and will make gun decisions from slip and the negligence in the pavilion and press conf is long past. He came out like champions do in england and with cummins and labs were the key players in retaining the ashes with a draw which should have been a win with better leadership/decisions for me.

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

I think cummins is definitely in the running with Smith being obvious go to. Both could do a fine job but why exert cummins when he’s in the bowling form of his life and having an impeccable run back from injury perhaps after smith he could take a crack. Decision seems easy to me

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Very true jeff . Holder underrated on a few fronts.

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

But rowdy warne would have been a master tactician as captain too despite him being annoying off field, on it he was brilliant tactically and should have replaced ponting . Perhaps one point is spinners would make much better captains than pace bowlers given the exertion needed for pace bowling and they often stand deep in the fielding away from the wicket where as warne was always in the slips and less exerted . Interesting thoughts

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Interesting comments from you and Sproose . you both make some good points , worth airing the discussion actually . I actually think Smith and Cummins are both the obvious go to options . Its not that difficult now theres been a long break after an excessive time period of bans. Can really galvanize this team again. Warners days will be numbered after the next two home summers on age and poor form abroad alone

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Yeah but rowdy tell that to imran khan or benaud bowlers can captain . Agreed id rather have a batsman in the role in general of curse with smith in the hutch though as captain from slip, and now he has more backbone and experience after a negligence slip in the pavilion and panic bout with the press and no support from CA in time . I think we are making a hideous mistake not to reappoint him against India actually as captain. Let paine do his job as keeper and improve his batting as the interim period is now finally over. What a joke the length of the bans were too . Cummins is now currently averaging what is close to Australias best pace bowler of all time . He’s a match winner. Id give Smith the armband for two or three years then groom cummins after the next ashes tour in england. Let paine now enjoy some keeping in his twighlight and do his job there and focus on his batting whilst he grooms the next keeper. Its actually common sense to me going forward and best for the team now.

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

I felt sorry for gary can’t blame him on the fielding in the ashes , the throw was too wide too. That said he had a poor series really. A bit concerned about where his form might be heading , he was ok against poor teams back on home soil and was poor at times in england. Superb career though before the ashes.

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Final call rested with Paine though Micko. With smith next to him pleasing in the opposite direction. Series won if smith was making the decisions on DRS

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?

Id agree with you there Paul. The bad review was Paines call with Smith pleading to do the opposite to Paine with DRS on numerous key occasions. Cummins was incredible and key reason to being 2 all in the series with a staggering average of 19 for the series from memory. Incredible effort. Smith for captain though for now. He will be much better. Also on the upside it could allow paine to focus back on wicketkeeping and his poor form on batting . This is an easy decision making process for me going forward.

Is Steve Smith Australia's best captain?