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I agree that the Crusaders face a much tougher road this year, and Penny is not as good as Razor. But in saying that, I think you make a simplistic conclusion based off 2 losses in the first 2 games of the season, not taking into account the injured unavailable players in the Crusaders, and the fact that the Crusaders usually start slow, often losing games early, to finish strong at the end, as they know which end of the season titles are won.

Yes, Mo’unga and Whitelock are big players to lose, but after a RWC, every team has faced similar departure of good players, and you seem to put a lot of weight on those 2 players for the Crusaders early losses, when the injured players and the usual slow start to me feels more the cause of the losses.

I actually don’t have much concern for the ABs even if the Crusaders have a poor season after the complete rounds. I don’t see much parallel between the success of the Crusaders and how that will translate to AB success. The Chiefs and the Blues look strong to me. ABs were strong when the Chiefs were kings in 2012/13, and Auckland being strong has bought out many good players in the past for a good AB side, and the recent success of the Crusaders has been down to Razor, something Blackadder could not do previously with players like D Carter and McCaw…and Razor is now AB coach!

The Crusaders dynasty looks dead - so how will it impact the All Blacks?

Aye, fully agree. I have been banging on for ages to pump money into coach development. That means a permanent tier below SR too for both players and coaches.

Slight side tangent. I have noticed when the NRC has been brought in, that they like to tweak the laws towards more ‘exciting’ rugby to try to engage more fans, but I don’t think that is smart as different laws require different tactics, which IMO slightly hinders that transition to SR.

Decision time: Clubs queuing up to pounce on Rebels' best as Rugby Australia given warning over in demand Wallabies

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'Not expecting miracles': Schmidt tempers Wallabies hopes as coach outlines No.1 priority

I think Rassie is exceptionally good at engaging his fans and installing belief in others. I know many who don’t like Rassie, but you can’t deny that synergy he anchors with his fans and players. I reckon many could do well harnessing that quality. Foster for example needed that. Robertson is adding much more positive energy though!! Can’t wait for the next SA test!

'Not expecting miracles': Schmidt tempers Wallabies hopes as coach outlines No.1 priority

Yeah, I think you make a reasonable point, JN. Those on the Roar were divided on Rennie, and many did see why the % was what it was (injuries, unavailable players, and SR that didn’t quite prepare you for internationals as well as other big rugby nations), and others did not. He did talk about those issues, but maybe not enough? I think that question is for Australians to answer, and not me who is a kiwi!

'Not expecting miracles': Schmidt tempers Wallabies hopes as coach outlines No.1 priority

Why do you say that? I haven’t got that impression at all. I don’t see Joe being too naive to the challenges he faces with the wallabies coming up.

Where Aus is at the moment, if he can bring them up the 4th/5th in the world, that will be a very good look for him. Doubt he could tarnish his reputation much outside Aus with the common knowledge of RA’s management. Rennie’s reputation is murky in Aus, but still good elsewhere from what I can tell.

'Not expecting miracles': Schmidt tempers Wallabies hopes as coach outlines No.1 priority

What is the percentage between 2011 – 2015 with 5 teams? Because I feel the coaching was better then, and that it is the other years with 5 teams without good coaching that is pulling that percentage down so low.

Decision time: Clubs queuing up to pounce on Rebels' best as Rugby Australia given warning over in demand Wallabies

I think those percentages have more to do with coaching and the decline of development and financial management in RA, than with the number of teams. For me that is too much of a simplistic view.

Maybe Crusaders won everything from 2017 onwards, but outside a well coached Brumbies side, it was not like the Aus teams were next in line to win with their coaching…with only 4 teams instead of 5. Brumbies didn’t profit from 1 less team for more players, but good coaching.

Decision time: Clubs queuing up to pounce on Rebels' best as Rugby Australia given warning over in demand Wallabies

When Aus had 3 teams, there was much better coaching. I think your correlation is wrong.

Even if the system favored Aus in 2011 – 2015, you can’t deny that the Reds and Tahs in 2011 and 2014 were very good teams under the coaching of Mckenzie and Cheika. The kiwi teams were still not good enough to win in a knockout.

The coaching has been pretty poor since 2016. You make many assertions on unknowns, but the quality of coaching is a constant in all equations.

Decision time: Clubs queuing up to pounce on Rebels' best as Rugby Australia given warning over in demand Wallabies

From 2011 – 2015 with 5 teams Aus won 2 titles with 2 different teams. After the Force being dropped in 2016, they won zero titles with 4 teams. All titles from Aus have been fronted with good coaches (MacQueen, McKenzie, and Cheika).

The title success seems to correlate strongest with the level of coaching, and not the number of teams.

Decision time: Clubs queuing up to pounce on Rebels' best as Rugby Australia given warning over in demand Wallabies

The problem isn’t the rebels. It is years of poor development in coaching that have dropped the overall standard. Force being dropped didn’t help that, and neither will the Rebels being dropped help for better results. Teams go in debt at times (including other Aus teams not put in the firing line), but to just cut a team because of that and turn your back on growth areas is not good IMO.

Perhaps RA needed a bigger cleanout than what occurred.

Decision time: Clubs queuing up to pounce on Rebels' best as Rugby Australia given warning over in demand Wallabies

“The individuals involved in those leaks, and the reporters who rushed to amplify the half-truths and speculation extrapolated from those leaks, would do well to ponder the damage they have inflicted upon the Rebels and some of the individuals involved in the club, and their families.”

Yep, well said, Geoff.

The Wrap: Unity, integrity and the other casualties of shameful leaks aimed at the Rebels

You always had that feeling about Brad Thorn’s coaching that JOC eludes to. Big on work ethic and hard training, but lacking in technical and innovative game plans. All brawn and no brains 😁

Kiss sounds like a positive change to me, and all the best to the Reds’ fortunes in the upcoming season 👍

'We've moved to a more mental realm': JOC reveals the change from Thorn to Kiss - and his 2024 ambitions

I would have to agree with this. JOC is best at 12. He makes a good option as a secondary first receiver though, but his game management is not there in international rugby to impress as a starting 10. The young blokes are the future for 10 in Aus, unless Q Cooper pops up in form and availability for one last bash!

'We've moved to a more mental realm': JOC reveals the change from Thorn to Kiss - and his 2024 ambitions

I read the ego thing as directed at HM, but just the sort of thing I get paranoid about sometimes, whether my post read as the intended interpretation on re-read 😂

COMMENT: 'Best interests of the game'? Hamish's dummy spit proves RA was right to cut him loose

You are dealing with someone with a bigger ego than Eddie…McLennan needs to be escorted out the door. At least Eddie finally fell on his sword.

McLennan is a narcissist whose can’t rational himself be anything but great.

'I'm not a quitter': Under-siege RA chair won't follow Jones, blames 'broken system' for chaos

He might have those mirrors found in a circus, where the image is distorted to your real self.

'I'm so pissed off': Eddie open to walking away from Wallabies if it suits RA, sticks knife into Hoops, Quade

If you tossed out your experienced players just because they failed to beat the ABs 2 out of 3 tests in a year, or haven’t won a RWC on their watch, well…there would be a number of teams running on very low caps… 😁
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Hooper/Cooper are leaders who have done great for their team. Far better than what Eddie has achieved for the Wallabies.
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Who are the leaders from this new group of players that haven’t had their confidence already shot from this disastrous RWC campaign?
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Is the experience gained from this RWC any value for the 2027 RWC if that experience didn’t make it into knockout stage in 2023?

'I'm so pissed off': Eddie open to walking away from Wallabies if it suits RA, sticks knife into Hoops, Quade

I wouldn’t omit a replacement HB, too risky for me if a injury happens to Smith, who should play the full 80 if fit, although I would prefer Cam Roigard on the bench, but Foster prefers Christie. I would omit McKenzie (who has had a great season!), as I think ALB would be a better bench option for what I predict will be a 6-2 AB split, as we have other players in the starting side who can shift to wing/FB/10. Blackadder for me adds a lot of positives off the bench, hard worker in tight and high work rate for tackles and ruck work, so I like that choice.
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I think Barrett and Whitelock to start again, with Retallick to do his magic on fresh legs in the final quarter of the game.
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My main concern is the front row, mostly our young props facing the bomb squad in the final 20 mins.

England react with fury as Bok cleared by World Rugby after TWO racism allegations made by Tom Curry

A 7-1 bench I think was always on the table of possibilities from SA…It could be either a great move, or backfire…can’t predict injuries or cards…

England react with fury as Bok cleared by World Rugby after TWO racism allegations made by Tom Curry

“History never repeats
I tell myself before I go to sleep
Don’t say the words you might regret
I’ve lost before you know I can’t forget” – Split Enz

England react with fury as Bok cleared by World Rugby after TWO racism allegations made by Tom Curry

Good read, thanks Geoff.

Ireland and France certainly had the talent to go all the way, and fell just short vs SA and NZ in the finest margins, that I think you correctly put down as experience in the most intense pressure possible. Yep, England needed a decent bench scrum to match SA to pull through for a win.

I think SA will get up for a tight game vs the ABs. ABs will test SA out wide, SA will test the ABs up front, especially when the subs are brought on. I reckon AB are slight favorites to win (touch wood).

“…in the horrible 3rd v 4th match that nobody ever wants to play in?”

Since you pose that as a question, I think it is all about perspective. Usually it is a game you don’t want to play, but I reckon ARG would quite fancy another 3rd place to their name to go with their 2007 bronze medal. ARG didn’t expect to make the final beyond a miracle, so won’t be as crushed as many teams going into a 3rd/4th playoff. England, after losing at the death of their SF, might find it a tad more difficult getting up for the 3rd playoff, but then again, 3rd place would be a damn fine position to end up for England after pre-world cup predictions, and perhaps there will be some hunger for that achievement?

The Wrap: There's a reason Boks and All Blacks are at the big boys' table - the rest have to earn their way onto it

While Foster has been in very successful as assistant coach, and you talk of the failures of Henry and Hansen as head coach, the fact still remains that Henry ended with a 85% win rate and Hansen a 87% win rate, which is as good as it gets for a AB head coach for percentage of wins.

Foster as head coach is at 71% win rate, which is about as bad as it gets for a AB head coach for % of wins, dragged out of the poor under 70% from previous 3 years with 9 wins from 11 games this year.

Easy to isolate Henry/Hansen’s failures, but I think the overall % of wins speaks for itself.

Fozzie was one Test away from being sacked - now he's 80 minutes away from World Cup glory as ABs smash Pumas

“He is at over 75% win rate. Not bad for a failure eh.”

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Isn’t it 71% win rate (played 45, W 32 L 11 D 2)…Don’t play loose with facts, Jacko…Foster has done great this year with 9/11 games won to pull Foster finally into a 70%+ win rate, but that win rate still doesn’t rank great in AB history.

Fozzie was one Test away from being sacked - now he's 80 minutes away from World Cup glory as ABs smash Pumas

The Boks are masters of inflicting fatigue on the opposition, so agree it is wise to use all subs! You probably ideally would bring on some of your subs earlier than usual with SA too, like SA does.

COMPLETE RWC SF teams: Poms make three changes as Boks name most capped XV, ABs' QF hero starts for Cheika's Pumas

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