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This represents my final post on the Roar.

I now feel vindicated in describing the FFA bid as one based on deceit.

AFL’s concerns over Cup bid run deep
By Gerard Whateley

Posted December 14, 2009 11:21:00
Updated December 14, 2009 11:59:00

Andrew Demetriou and Ben Buckley are at loggerheads over the Cup bid. (ABC/AAP)
Map: Melbourne 3000
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The AFL harbours concerns of a second interrupted season and being booted out of its Melbourne headquarters by world governing body FIFA should Australia be successful in its World Cup bid.

The depth of the AFL’s fears is laid out in correspondence from chief executive Andrew Demetriou to his opposite number at Football Federation Australia, Ben Buckley.

The letter, seen by the ABC, is dated November 24 and is the source of the rift between the organisations.

It was written two weeks before the issues erupted in public. When it hit the front pages, the AFL’s angst was well known to Buckley.

Writes Demetriou:

“The AFL Commission wishes to place on record its extreme disappointment with the lack of accurate and consistent information from the FFA on the implications of the World Cup on the AFL competition and the AFL clubs.

“This lack of clear information and what appears to be indifference frankly, reluctance to help the AFL to ascertain the impact on our competition, is frustrating.

“In addition to questions regarding the MCG and Docklands that fuelled the public bickering last week, the AFL urgently sought clarification as to whether the Confederations Cup, held in the year preceding a World Cup, would force interruptions to the AFL season.

“We also understand that the Confederations Cup is played as a warm-up to the World Cup in the year prior to the World Cup.

“Therefore, the FFA cannot guarantee that the impact on the AFL competition, clubs and their supporters, will not be over two years instead of one as originally advised by the FFA.”

At the conclusion of the three-page letter, the AFL posed nine questions to the FFA:

1. Is it a requirement of the World Cup that no AFL matches can be played in cities hosting World Cup matches for the duration of the World Cup in those cities?

2. Is the AFL competition going to be asked to shut down for 10 weeks to accommodate the World Cup? Given the location of our clubs in the five mainland capital cities, Geelong and from 2011 the Gold Coast, can you please advise what FIFA/FFA is demanding to stage the World Cup and what the precise impact will be on AFL venues in Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth, Sydney, Geelong, Canberra and the Gold Coast?

3. Has the FFA proposed, or planning to propose that the MCG be redeveloped at a cost of $130 million for the World Cup and be unavailable for AFL matches for 16 weeks in the year of the World Cup?

4. Is FIFA/FFA planning to take over the AFL offices for the duration of the World Cup and if so, for how many weeks?

5. Is FIFA/FFA planning to take over the offices and training facilities of AFL clubs so that they can be used by countries participating in the World Cup?

6. We have read media reports indicating that the FFA estimates that the economic impact of the World Cup in Australia would be some $5.4 billion. In your financial modelling of the World Cup in Australia, have you factored in the impact in the $3.4 billion Australian football contributes to the Australian economy each year if the AFL competition is forced to shut down for 10 weeks and is banned from using the MCG for 16 weeks?

7. Specifically, has the FFA/FIFA budgeted or are you planning to budget to compensate the AFL and its clubs for any loss of revenue for accommodating the World Cup?

8. Is it the intention of FIFA and or the FFA to ask the Federal Government to legislate so that FIFA/FFA can take over venues for the World Cup, the AFL offices and the training and administration bases of AFL clubs so that they can be used by teams competing in the World Cup and to prevent other major sporting competitions playing matches during the period of the World Cup?

9. Will the Confederations Cup be played in Australia the year before the World Cup if Australia’s bid is successful and if so, what will the impact on the AFL competition including what current AFL venues would FIFA/FFA take over for the duration of the Confederations Cup?

Confirming the authenticity of the letter, an AFL spokesman told the ABC:

“We did receive a letter from the FFA responding to Andrew’s letter. It didn’t contain either the detailed information on the impact that a World Cup would have on our season, or the clarification that we were seeking over the use of Etihad Stadium that we were initially told in November 2008 that would remain with the AFL.

“We are still waiting to be informed on how we can run a season concurrently with a World Cup.”

From ABCgrandstand .

Australia will host the 2022 Football World Cup

Thanks Norm

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

tifosi
the AFL would not fixture games in direct competition to games at the MCG – won’t happen.

But at the moment – the AFL are in a fight just to have a stadium.

Demetriou was right to question World Cup impact

Agreed Roo

Fear and loathing is ruling Australian sports

It’s called incompetence.

Do we actually deserve to host a Football World Cup?

Joe
absolutely all the irrational comments are coming from all those who feel that the AFL should hand their assets over to FIFA – just like that.

I know – it’s crazy!!

Demetriou was right to question World Cup impact

Why would it have anything to do with the AFL – who play all their games on ovals????

Why isn’t it the fault of an incompetent FFA?

Also, let’s not forget that Buckley is an ex-AFL player – where was his contingency planning??

Demetriou was right to question World Cup impact

How did you know I used to be an Amnesty contributor?

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

Don’t sign off Art.

I will go instead.

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

Norm

I didn’t extend the offer to you – but if you don’t want me to return to the Roar, I will oblige.

Just respond to confirm.

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

oh well – I gave you the opportunity…

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

Well – it seemed like a good idea at the time – still seems like useful info.

But I have found it takes an inordinate amount of time to assemble the basic info.

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

Phil
I’m also happy to extend the offer to you.

Just say the word, you will never see me on the Roar again – that’s a promise.

To be honest, dealing with all the attacks on Australian football, and all the misinformation, it becomes a bit of a drag after a while.

I’m happy to find something new to do.

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

I do use wikipedia for some basic facts and to cross-reference, otherwise I”m relying on a few Almanacks of world football that I own, as well as a few books on the history of the World Cup that I also own.

All the text is written off the top of my head – that’s the way I normally write – I barely can be bothered proof reading once it’s done – I have a very bad habit.

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

I’m not sure, but I think I got the most cheers for this article (a soccer article, as it happens):

The Socceroos team of the future

14 cheers – that’s not too shabby – it might even be the most cheers I’ve ever seen on an aritcle – but I’m not too sure.

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

It’s not the first time I haven’t been cheered.

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

Which bit did you disagree with?

That FIFA is corrupt, or that Buckley is incompetent and has stuffed up the bid process?

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

KB
you need only ask me never to post again on the Roar, and I won’t

(of course that would mean the other six parts aren’t done, which required a lot of effort, all at home in my own time I might add)

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

This ETS is going to cost billions of dollars in the mean time!!

Do we actually deserve to host a Football World Cup?

AndyRoo
that article is already12 hours old – what’s changed?

Do we actually deserve to host a Football World Cup?

Yes – I can imagine Rudd would do precisely that.

Do we actually deserve to host a Football World Cup?

AndyRoo
I’m not an expert in this area, but I think there is a bit of difference between what leaders might say in front of the camera after a COAG meeting, and the formal, complex, legal documents that have to be signed with a fair bit of detail behind them.

Do we actually deserve to host a Football World Cup?

It you wish to learn how to carry on a discussion in a forum, please read the full range of comments – you might learn something.

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

That’s quite a list of achievements for one person.

Anyway, since when have you ever had one interesting comment to make about anything in this forum?

Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup

ON that score, the similarities are eerily similar (PM pretends to be interested in something for the purposes of self-aggrandisement)

FFA's World Cup bid lacks transparency

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