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Very powerful stuff Mid.

The Roar's A-League expert tips and predictions: Round 10

Come on Mid, you can do better that!!!!
Waz predicted a 4-0 win last week for the Roar against Sydney FC.
Surely you can predict a score the dot on the freeway team.

The Roar's A-League expert tips and predictions: Round 10

Sydney to win.

The Roar's A-League expert tips and predictions: Round 10

Yes because they lost to Sth Korea.

Ange Postecoglou's success won't open doors, but it should inspire change

No way, he should have been dropped during the Ashes & reinstated back in Australia. However, not a likeable man is our Davy.

Ange Postecoglou's success won't open doors, but it should inspire change

I made the comment earlier but made the error that there is no difference between club & international coach.
However, I like you do not understand how some are saying that Ange is a great coach but not at international level. He’s the only Australian that has won a major trophy & he took on a challenge to play football with our feet & based on 99% of Socceroos in our history, this was always going to be difficult.

Ange Postecoglou's success won't open doors, but it should inspire change

Thanks Redondo, here is the basis of my argument regarding Ange being a good coach at International level & trying to impose his vision, his system.
As mentioned, England, a country far more advance in the world of football then Australia. They favoured the ‘hero midfielders’ great footballers, but not the type of player who dictates the flow of the game like a Hoddle or a Gazza & a Scholes, funny enough English brightest moments last 20-30 years have been with Hoddle & Waddle WC86, Gazza & Waddle WC90 & Gazza EC96, plus of course a top-class strikers Lineker & Shearer. They struggled to keep up with the rest of the world based on what you saw at the international level. Young players saw the English national coach favoured the Lampards & Gerrards type players.

Now Ange as National coach could’ve picked the more workmanlike type of players (Kewell, Dukes & Bresc apart) that had served the Socceroos so well & playing to our strengths. Or knowing we didn’t have the Broich & Berisha type players at national level, he still tried to get Mooy, Leckie, Rogic, Loungo to play this way, even in defence he choose ball playing centre backs in Sainsbury & Spirinovic. He tried to play a style, picking guys who were more comfortable on the ball, even though we probably never had those players (Mooy aside).
What this telling the young kids, is that this is the Australian way, but now we are back to the workmanlike midfielders in Arnie’s national side

Ange didn’t have the players to crack the world class defenders, but he had a vision, this is my point, to work toward this goal.

Ange Postecoglou's success won't open doors, but it should inspire change

But we qualified, but we scored those penalties, all the while playing a style of football that was so alien to Australian football, play out from the back, don’t not panic, trust your first touch.

Ange Postecoglou's success won't open doors, but it should inspire change

They are 2 of my favourites Brian Clough & Glenn Hoddle.

As I think Chris posted. Cloughie.
‘I’m not sure if I’m one of the best managers in the league, but I think I’m in the top 1’.

A legend, whose mouth more then ability stopped being English manager.

Hoddle, while living in England in the 80s, the media & the fans all loved Robson, a hard working, highly technical player, but I preferred Glenn, who was just pure magic with ball at his feet.

Ange Postecoglou's success won't open doors, but it should inspire change

My bad, yes there is a difference between coaching a club to country. What I meant to say.
A good coach should be able to adapt, you have many type of coaches;
Mourinho a results coach, brought in for a short period to get results, this type of coach can work in both at International or club level.
Then you have Wenger, who is brought in to build a system, a style, a vision, this type of coach can also work both at international & club level.
I do not see why a Wenger can not bring his vision, his system, his single mindedness to the International level despite only having them for a short period of time.
I see Ange very much in the mould of Wenger.

Ange Postecoglou's success won't open doors, but it should inspire change

Thanks Matthew, I tend to agree with your comments.
I’m not a believer in club & country is different, a good coach is a good coach no matter whether you coaching club or country.

Ange Postecoglou's success won't open doors, but it should inspire change

I’m sure there will be a huge difference between James Johnson to Gallop, his main role as highlighted by many on here is to unite the tribes, this in itself is a massive role.
However, unlike his 2 previous predecessors, who’s administrative skills were limited to the sporting scene in Australia. James comes in with very strong football knowledge & administrative of working on the international scene.
He fully realises how big the world of football is & how small say AFL is on the world scence, where it’s a big fish is a very small pond.
So he does not have claim A-League is bigger then AFL, he already knows outside of 3 states, Football is far bigger then AFL.

Thanks for your service, David Gallop, but let's hope James Johnson is something completely different

Will you last paragraph hits the mark, but especially the last sentence.
There is so many in football with different agendas.
Hopefully James Johnson & the FFA board can do this going forward, but…… I’ve been waiting a long time.

Thanks for your service, David Gallop, but let's hope James Johnson is something completely different

Well said Will, I don’t get this can coach club but not country rubbish.

A good insight from John Didulica in the World game website.

“His vision for the game in this country was too uncomfortable for too many.”
‘the choice of short-termism over Postecoglou’s long-term vision resulted in the country’s greatest football coach abandoning the Australian game.’
https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/postecoglou-rejected-australian-football-pfa-boss-calls-for-ffa-introspection

Postecoglou's J.League title makes him the greatest Aussie coach of all time

Thanks Mid, this is correct, he was tasked to improve the footballing technical excellence of Australian football, but the FFA wanted results & money from the WC qualification.
This had nothing to do with the fact that Ange did not / could not coach at international level.
He had a goal & he was inflexible, my issue with him was that he thought he was above criticism, this was my only issue.

Postecoglou's J.League title makes him the greatest Aussie coach of all time

A good coach can coach both club & international. Ange can, this is a myth.
Even Hiddink said the Golden generation wasn’t really good enough, but he molded them to compete, that was his role.
Fad, you know, I know & Ange knew, we do not have players in Australia with the technical excellence, I can count on 2 fingers those that did ever in this country, so why not try to achieve this, it will take time, but again with Van Marrwick & Arnold we have stopped this experiment, which I find is silly.
Ange’s role was to try to get players to play at a technical excellence then they have, build from the back, play the 21st century football, but….

Postecoglou's J.League title makes him the greatest Aussie coach of all time

You need to read what I said.

I agree A-League is struggling, but football in this country is not.
The Matildas are huge, the Socceroos well loved, Liverpool, Manchester United big following in this country, Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, all with kids walking around with their names on their backs.

Six talking points from A-League Round 9

This is where we differ Fadida.
We didn’t do anything in WC anyway, we played 2 very well organised games, where we really didn’t create much & the only game where we had to go get a result we got smashed. Why not continue with Ange’s experiment.
It’s a slow burn, we were not going to create Ninkovics or Baumjohans overnight, we needed to keep making mistakes until we get more & more players in our system having better technical excellence. We have to start somewhere.
Where are we now? I love Arnold, he is a great club coach but he has his limitations, Ange does not.
Maybe Stevie Corica, his team playing wonderful football.

Postecoglou's J.League title makes him the greatest Aussie coach of all time

Fadia,
We’ve been down this road before & respect your views & I do your understand your points but I especially after Ange’s recent success appreciate what Ange was trying to do & believe in his stubbornness & his positiveness that maybe we didn’t have the players but would eventually get there.
I would like us to produce more Mooy’s, Azani’s & more players capable of creating the gaps in the final 3rd.

Postecoglou's J.League title makes him the greatest Aussie coach of all time

Hard to disagree kanga.

Postecoglou's J.League title makes him the greatest Aussie coach of all time

I’m a Derby County fan because of Brian Clough.

Postecoglou's J.League title makes him the greatest Aussie coach of all time

Buddy, if you’d just watch the slickness of the SFC midfield & the way they work with the front 3 you’d be might be more impressed, can’t help how BR played, but SFC was outstanding, this is one of the best midfield combination I have seen in the A-League.

I’m going easy on LH & especially Waz, who predicted 4-0 to Brisbane, he was only out by 9 goals.

My wrap-up of Round 9 of the A-League

Legend Millsy, well played son.

Former captain Milligan announces Socceroos retirement

See my post above about Gareth Southgate. I fully appreciate England looking at a higher level, but… the concept is the same, you want a certain type of player, this was what Ange wanted. He wanted more the players who first touch & ability to be relax on the ball, ala Sainsbury as opposed to a dominating centre back.

Postecoglou's J.League title makes him the greatest Aussie coach of all time

I beg to differ, I think you can replicate club & country, look at Gareth Southgate, he is doing likewise in England.
I think you might want to re-check your Louis Val Gaal facts, he got Netherlands to the 2012 world cup semi finals, winning 9 from 10 games in qualifications.
It was the great Guus Hiddink who failed to qualify the Dutch at the Euros 2016.

Postecoglou's J.League title makes him the greatest Aussie coach of all time