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Each heart knows its own pain and even in laughter the heart may ache.
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In 2003 England won the Rugby World Cup after building a team of players who are now looked back on as legends of the…
To have a meaningful discussion on this topic is difficult. Perhaps not as difficult as a conversation about Israel Folau. But difficult enough, because…
Somebody wise once said the road to success is paved with failure. I don't know who that was, but I'll bet there was plenty…
When your collective Super Rugby franchises turn in a five-zip result for the weekend and on the back of a three-zip whitewash by the…
What a stupendous sporting feast awaits rugby fans on the coming weekend! The dream final so many wished for. The all conquering current world…
At the top of their game, the current All Blacks play an ensemble brand of rugby that is intense, physical, fast paced, relentless and…
I'm a tried and true Crusaders supporter and over the years we've had a lot of amazing times. Years ago, I can remember being…
I also suspect this will be the case NB.
Did the All Blacks pick the right successor to Hansen?
I am not sure I see much difference between religious expression and any other type of expression to be honest. I think the current law has it about right, the limit is (as I understand it) somewhere around incitement to violence.
Freedom is never really complete in any event, as you say. To begin with, as I have stated before, freedom is one side of a two sided coin, the other being responsibility.
The other aspect of freedom is that freedom itself is both ‘to” and freedom ‘from’. In simple terms, my freedom to weld axes to chop people’s head off must be curtailed so they can enjoy their freedom from people chopping their heads off with an axe. Which neatly folds back to the line being incitement to violence.
And to reiterate, none of those principles have much to do with religion particularly but apply to all.
Why everyone got it wrong about Rugby Australia and Israel Folau
Razor is the man. But I don’t think he will get the job.
Did the All Blacks pick the right successor to Hansen?
Just to highlight the main take away .. “Robertson’s Crusaders have won three successive titles.”
Did the All Blacks pick the right successor to Hansen?
As a Crusaders fan I am wondering if ‘four-peat’ is a thing ..
It’s a big Super Rugby season ahead for…
To me the difference was her commenting on government business whereas Folau was spouting religious views that had nothing to do with his employers business.
I’m disappointed though because the government is not a regular employer. But that’s not to say what she did was very wise; but then I can say that about Folau as well.
Why everyone got it wrong about Rugby Australia and Israel Folau
“$5m disappeared into the ether at the click of a mouse”
I wish that worked for my mortgage.
Why everyone got it wrong about Rugby Australia and Israel Folau
“he was on his “Israel Folau Rugby Player” account”
The salient point is that it was his own account, not what words he used to name it.
The last column about Israel Folau ever, I promise
She got a deal over the line in the end, that’s what matters.
Why everyone got it wrong about Rugby Australia and Israel Folau
Sadly, conflict drives the news cycle.
Why everyone got it wrong about Rugby Australia and Israel Folau
Personally, on balance I give Castle a pass mark. Without any inside knowledge at all the outside fact of the settlement in an of itself takes her over the line.
Politics may spin that anyway it chooses.
Why everyone got it wrong about Rugby Australia and Israel Folau
The right is to free speech.
Because when he made the comments he made he was at home, on his own time, not talking about rugby or RA, using his own personal media accounts etc.
He wasn’t speaking on behalf of or representing any brand except himself.
What he lost was his employment and that’s a material loss.
The last column about Israel Folau ever, I promise
I think that’s quite right TWAS. I find the Banerji case disturbing because of that.
Why everyone got it wrong about Rugby Australia and Israel Folau
Good view point Geoff. Anybody who cares about Australian rugby should be pleased that it has settled, even if it didn’t go the way they wanted.
Why everyone got it wrong about Rugby Australia and Israel Folau
“he was told in no uncertain terms to cut it out, and it wasn’t acceptable to his employer”
And there is my problem. Who is the employer to censor the views of an employee outside the business context?
The last column about Israel Folau ever, I promise
Whilst if he had kept it private you are certainly right, using that as a principle of ‘freedom’ removes all rights to speak in any public forum unless approved by an employer.
I don’t much like it as a definition of ‘freedom’, it’s extremely restricting in fact and just amounts to form of censorship (meaning a third party approves what you can or cannot say in public).
Free speech must include the right to speak in public, even if you make an total ass of yourself.
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I think you are missing one side of freedom Piru.
If you are “free” to speak but if that is at the cost of your life (extreme end of the scale obviously), but how is that “free” in any functional sense?
And as for the ‘contract’, it shouldn’t be allowed to either remove any human right nor to take legal control of anyones private life. Nothing he said had anything to do with RA or rugby.
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“Not sure social media is a human right”
I am sure you are right, but the medium of the soapbox isn’t really the issue, although social media certainly is a weird medium.
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I don’t know Dwanye, that has never happened.
I would try to use the principles I have espoused as guiding lights. Employees are people first and hold opinions and make decisions second. In my view anyway.
I do know I wouldn’t do what RA did.
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All the more reason to speak, if even into prejudgement.
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No, I mean what I said and not what you said.
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The place of publication is largely irrelevant, the salient fact is that he posted private/personal opinions.
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I dunno, that’s how social media ‘works’. Don’t even ask me what an influencer is or why so many people ‘follow’ them (whatever that really means).
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Justin Marshal might have been the most combative.
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