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Favourite Son 23 man squad

For a bit of fun and to create some discussion, I have put together a list of 23 recent players who were blessed with the opportunity of donning the candy stripes of the greatest district rugby club in the combined Sutherland and St George area, the Southern Districts Rebels.

Jamie, I can’t talk for all and only give my personal experiences or those directly accounted to me by close acquaintances. I would never talk about the set up in Perth or Canberra as I haven’t experienced it, but feel I can talk about the game in NSW and QLD country areas. I get the irrates when some simp1eton lumps the SS as a collective group think. I know if I was still involve in decisions with our club, I would like to get clarification on how players would be sourced for WSR and how they integrate back into the clubs when not required, similar to super clubs. I haven’t heard about any levels of commitment so can commment there.
Sorry to hear you live in the East, but at least you realise your plight as I couldn’t support the Beasties or the Green Slime either even though the latter let St George have their jersey colours. Always enjoyed playing the teams on the outer fringes of the city, hopefully the Penrith area will not be lost for good.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

No they aren’t, I’ve never seen anyone come close to making that claim. They have mentioned how that the improvement in recent years is a factor in the health of SS recently. No one has ever claimed those crowds across the board and to say so is disingenuous.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

It’s called a hypothetical, I thought that was obvious. I thought the other obvious thing was that I wouldn’t constantly talk another area down, I actually applaud positive rugby news.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

“No-one does self-interest quite like Australian rugby..”
This comment is so true it’s depressing. I may be a Chiefs and All Blacks supporter due to place of birth, but after 30 years of actual contribution to Aus rugby I am still dumbfounded by the bickering and self interest that goes on here. Some don’t want do give up their piece of the pie, instead of bringing in more people to make a bigger pie with bigger pieces. Others criticise the portioning and how/why it is divvied up

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

WCR, like I said earlier I am not currently involved in a club due to other commitments, so can’t answer that question, but a it’s not only facilities but personnel that are shared. I am pretty certain that it wasn’t moved out of spite only and that their reasons would have been given in their dialog with RA.
Also in regards to ‘resurgent’ it is not to the levels of pre super rugby, but it has picked up a bit. What the drivers are for this I can’t say for all, but I know that our current board members at Southern Districts have been very proactive in implementing initiatives to further engage the public, past players and supporters and enhance the game day experience.
As for Randwick, I’m not sure how their crowds sit but usually a drop in success is reflected in the crowds. Overall some have exaggerated the increase and some also think thriving means it should be competing with the NRL. In reality it is at least remaining healthy when Rugby in this country is on the slide in a number of areas. Just as there is hostility from elements within SS, because of this trend there is also hostility towards the SS from outside elements.
I do agree with your second last line as club rugby is a regional pathway, not a national one.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

Pretty aware which grounds are shared, but at this level it is not only facilities that are shared, but personnel. It is easy for full time professionals to move seasons around, not so easy for those involved in other pursuits to change what has traditionally been the start and end to their various seasons.
Like I keep saying, it’s not ideal and glad Brett has mentioned they intend to avoid a clash moving forward. Still believe consolidationg super and NRC means what club rugby does is irrelevant.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

Why is it pointless, I agree with you that it is not ideal and I know what the SRU represents. However there are many other areas where the NRC is supported by the clubs.
Now I’m sure if someone focussed on one point where Melbourne University appeared to be working against RA’s interests, it would be quickly pointed out other areas that debunk that ridiculous theory. Like I said I find it astonishing a rugby fan, let alone a club board member, talks down other areas of the game in this country, now that is pointless.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

Jamie, I don’t think Matthew was talking on TV, just rugby being played this time of year. And although it isn’t a national footprint, SS had been on the ABC for years prior to moving to 7. However the muliple games across the country on Fox this year is an improvement.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

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The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

Jamie, there has been a boost in interest in the SS over the last few years, in some sense that is thriving, however compared to the NRL and AFL it isn’t.
Mate, just as I find it is pathetic for some to take this increased interest as a sign that SS should replace the NRC, it is equally pathetic when people jump on to talk down the SS when anything positive is mentioned. It is true though that the people from both sides that I talk about are prone to exaggerating.

I don’t think it is really a club thing, more some outspoken people who can’t move with the times. I have been on record about how disappointed I am with the lack of support in the west, both Sydney and Australia, but those saying the SS should support itself shouldn’t then contradict themselves and say regions should receive additional support. I am happy for each area to be supported as much as practically possible, singling any out for exclusion is wrong.

On a positive note for Paramatta they are about to rebrand as Western Sydney Two Blues to further acknowledge their regional footprint fron Liverpool to the Hills and West to Blacktown. They are also about to have a multi million dollar upgrade of their facilities at Granville, so good news on that front and hopefully they keep on building. On the TV coverage, at this level it is a two edged sword. it is great to get exposure for the team, however it does tend to keep crowds down a bit at home matches. Pretty sure I saw a Granville match this year, but some grounds are better suited to TV coverage than others.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

Really, what figures here have been exaggerated?

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

Yes it is a pretty important 1 point and expressed it is not ideal to WCR, but to keep repeating this meaning ‘Sydney clubs’ don’t support the NRC despite evidence to the contrary then you are either agenda driven or impaired.
Like I keep repeating, I want rugby on every level to progress and have stated what I would like to see whilst you continue on your mission to talk down the Shute Shield.
Being a board member of a club rugby side in Australia, I find that an astonishing approach you take.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

WCR, can’t tell you mate but agree it is not ideal, I suspect it has a bit to do with ground availability and not clashing with cricket season ant other sports like life saving, but can’t be certain. I am not directly involved at a club at the moment, but when I was, I know that we wanted to deliver a full quality season for our sponsors and fans. truncated comps al around makes it hard to get buy in.
As you can see above, I support the NRC and what it does, I just believe that it has gotten to the point where it should be run as the main product in Aus in lieu of super rugby. This would then free up club rugby to do what ever they want at the level below NRC.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

Jamie, why does it have to be either/or from both sides of this agenda driven arguement. I truely find it absolutely pathetic by those talking down a revived SS as well as those saying it should replace the NRC. Add to that those that talk down WSR.
Shouldn’t we aim to have all levels of the game thriving across the whole country, this would lead to having less angry bald supporters gobbing off.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

Very selective in picking one aspect but not surprising especially since your original point is that ‘Sydney clubs’ don’t support the NRC and only criticize it. Like I said, they do support it but don’t have to completely roll over. I clearly pointed out how things can change to benefit all levels, but I’m not trying to score points against one aspect.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

Eastwood was the only club that didn’t get behind the NRC initially, albeit still supplying coaches and players, but last year ran one of the teams. Other than the Vikings, they are the only clubs that have invested directly into the comp. You’ve got to be careful thinking the vocal minority speak for the majority. The clubs are behind it but they should not have to roll over either. There are ways in which all levels of development can thrive. I know most clubs just want to give a meaningful and full season product to their sponsors and supporters, not all of them want to rule the world. Even Sydney Uni realised they couldn’t go it alone at the level above club rugby.

Again under the NRC/Mitre 10/Curry Cup supplementing the Super rugby model, club rugby isn’t confined to any windows, they simply play a level below provincial rugby concurrently. I know money talks but still believe it is viable. At the moment there are simply too many moving parts with super rugby, NRC, WSR bookended by tests and club rugby. Tests and club sit about right, its the congestion of the 3 inbetween than needs to be consolidated as it’s confusing and cannibalises itself. I, like many, support the NRC but like Brett, fear that it may have reached it’s capacity in its current format. It can not grow or be a drawcard when confined to a small window with no earning capacity. There is no way that a 2 month tournament at that level will be able to afford $30k salaries for fringe super players. However try to pay them twice that for a full season where they can truely dedicate themselves full time to lift their skills and physical atributes, then I think we are getting somewhere. Leaving Sydney to have a crack in Melbourne isn’t an issue as many of these players moved to Sydney from the country to have a crack in the first place. Having more professional opportunities in the first place is the real issue.

I know I don’t speak for everyone but I would probably watch more rugby during the year if there were more A local content in prime time bookended by a live or replayed match from Arg, Jap, NZ or SA, let alone possible champions league games sprinkled through the season. Surely more eyes means more money. The added bonus of a consolidated season is that the provincial comps would have all of the National stars playing in them. Yes there would be a drop in standard initially, but as you said, the better the comp goes, the more money there is to be distributed. I believe quality would definitely rise over time and arguably some NRC/Curry/Mitre10 matches are already of better quality than some Super matches. Looking at the way things are and trending in the SANZAAR countries, a shake up is needed, and I believe the next rights deal is the time to do it.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

So in your model players like Jed Holloway and Shambekler Vui would be currently on holidays instead of playing rugby.
The NRC is the right model, but as Brett points out, it needs more than the oily rag to really shine.
I still hope that the relative SANZAAR national comps take precedence over super rugby with a champions league intergrated to quench the international component that broadcasters require.

The NRC bridge must be kept open. That was the whole point…

Yeah nah.

As a rabid All Blacks fan, why was I okay with this shocking loss?

Not many security companies wear a cap backwards as part of their uniform.

Tui cuts 2018 short after difficult week

Par for Realist

Tui cuts 2018 short after difficult week

Rubbish, re read the comments thread.

Wallabies beat themselves on the Gold Coast

Not surprised. Surely if you are giving advice to someone you would want to be better at it than them.

Wallabies go down with a whimper against Pumas

Rubbish that fan’s behaviour is indefensible but, here you are.

Wallabies go down with a whimper against Pumas

Gee how about that f00l in the crowd having a go at the players signing autographs. Be upset by all means but to assault them both verbally and physically is pathetic. If he could do any better he would be on the other side of the fence.

Wallabies go down with a whimper against Pumas

I hope the ref doesn’t get mentioned at all and the focus is on the great work from two top sides.
At least this should shut up all those ‘neutrals’ here saying that the Boks had to beat the ref as well. He’s clearly not biased and contributed to a great spectacle.

What the Bok? Saffas stun All Blacks in incredible boilover