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Renato CARINI

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Passionate lover of Test cricket. Special interest in Test history and the Golden age, in particular. Enjoy discussing the greatest players and the classic contests.

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Thanks Bernie.

I think you and I have contributed half!

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

In talking about his captaincy record compared to Ponting.

Not his batting success.

Analysing Australia’s Test cricket winners: Ian Chappell, Bill Lawry, Kim Hughes, Graham Yallop and Monty Noble

It’s not quite that simple Bernie.

Greg captained in an era when the strength of test cricket had not been diluted by the introduction of SL, B, Z, even NZ.

If Greg had the chance to play heaps of series against NZ, SL, P and I (especially in Oz), not to mention Z and B, his record would have been different.

I think 26 of 46 Tests where he captained were against WI and E, who were easily the strongest our toughest opponents at the time.

Not apples with apples.

Analysing Australia’s Test cricket winners: Ian Chappell, Bill Lawry, Kim Hughes, Graham Yallop and Monty Noble

In a way you’re both right (Rowdy and Paul, I mean).

Chappelli started badly and so his pre-captaincy figures are dragged down.

On the other hand, there is no doubt he was in top form by 1969/70. Lawry himself called Ian the best batsman in the world. So from that pinnacle, perhaps he did decline?

I’m reluctant to go by raw figures without context, especially what the other bats were doing (a 50 average might be exceptional, or it might be subpar).

From 1972-75 , Australia was a dominant side and it’s easier to perform in a winning side.

I haven’t really made things clearer, have I?

It’s not clear cut.

Analysing Australia’s Test cricket winners: Ian Chappell, Bill Lawry, Kim Hughes, Graham Yallop and Monty Noble

Sure

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

I’ll do it tomorrow, Bernie.

I must be up at 0500

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Not quite.

It only covers the 78-79 season.

I rate Jones higher, a little.

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

A flawed but great sportsman.

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Because I don’t rate him at all.

He was scared of fast bowling and liked to whinge and blame others instead of taking responsibility.

I read Lambs to the Slaughter.

It was one big whinge about how hard done by he was .

Pathetic.

Great flat track bully, though
Top marks there.

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

You don’t respect WG Grace?

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Yeah

And for a superstar, he managed to stay married and raised two well adjusted kids.

I respect him for that too

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

How about Yallop,
Do you rate him?

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Yes, agreed.

But Botham has a great heart and in his own different way is a great person.

Consider all the money he raised for lukemia. Not by writing a cheque but by walking 600 km, several times.

And he was very popular with teammates.

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

A bit harsh

He was incredibly dominant for 3 decades.

You should give him respect.
He deserves that at the very least

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

😂 😂

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Never heard of him micko?

Easily the best player of the nineteenth century.

Revered by every English schoolboy.

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

I forgot Yallop,
so add 15 to the score

😂

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

That side of 81 was an ordinary batting line up

Hughes, Dyson, Wood (at least one run out, there), T Chappell, and your mate AB

That’s an ordinary line up

Same in 1977 btw

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Yeah, big guy with a huge grey beard.

You might have heard of him, went by the name of Grace.

😂 😂

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

We could put Imran and both together and then watch the fireworks.

Then the world XI become a World IX

😁 😂 😊

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Disagree.

They is a duty to pick anyone who was easily the best of his era.

And his era spanned 3 decades, almost 4.

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Yes.

That will make you happy.

The best player of the nineteenth century, easily, gets no respect from Bernie.

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Didn’t give that many, it should read.

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Sounds like you’ve was that line many many times.

And a little touchy on the Q of LBWs, sir!!

Very touchy.

They’re always a source of controversy, I used to umpire myself, just park cricket and juniors.

I did give that many. The bowlers didn’t like me!

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?

Matth’s team was the same except:

01 he had Gavaskar for WG
02 he had Akram for S Barnes but changed his mind

So we only disagreed on Gavaskar/Grace

We both think Lara is better than Tendulkar, not that SRT isn’t an outstanding player, we just think BL is little better (more talented – my words)

Australia's greatest: Bradman or Trumper?