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My hunch is that an independent A League will see a very different Melbourne City and a very different level of engagement from CFG, Stevo.

The problem is getting to that independence. I can see their point – why invest millions in something they don’t actually own. Well, more millions – because they have invested millions already.

Why would Melbourne City re-sign Warren Joyce?

#BRIvNEW 18k
#CCWvWSW 16k
#ADLvMVC 21k
These figures persist and there will be no new tv deal from anyone.
The football the A League has served up this year has been, with rare exceptions, low standard, dull rubbish and these ratings reflect that.

Perth Glory aren't champions until they win the grand final

Excellent points

Perth Glory aren't champions until they win the grand final

Like Fadida, I came through the Tas system, which was (then) first past the post, and knockout cup with stages throughout the season.
I find finals bizarre, but that’s the way it is, and, frankly, in a 10 team league it’s hard to see any other way of generating any real excitement.
In any case, it’s a side issue to say the least. The A League’s existence is in question right now, and finals v first past the post is just a distraction – one that rolls around every year at this time rather like a local bus.
The desperate search for filler stories, most of them repetitive, on this site is a reflection of the problems the A League is having with waning interest and, it must be said, relevance.
In an age of television sport and Manchester City versus Spurs on a Saturday evening live, the A League is really up against it.

Perth Glory aren't champions until they win the grand final

Yep, and the pigs are flying past my window as I read this.

Beautiful pink wings.

A grand final at Optus Stadium in Perth is exactly what the A-League needs

Indeed. And if I was a SFC supporter, I’m sure I would feel the same way – mostly.

Because there was no doubt, as a Brisbane supporter, that the Roar under Ange won a lot but could be boring as batshit too.

A grand final at Optus Stadium in Perth is exactly what the A-League needs

Interesting, Fad, that some of this stuff was coming to the fore in his last two years at Victory. Merrick was completely unable to rebuild the squad when key players left or passed their use by date.

And I must confess that the po faced schtick may have played as confident inscrutability at his peak with Victory, but now it simply plays as disconnectedness.

If anyone knows what happened to the Jets, can they please tell Ernie Merrick?

It is interesting how the Swans do so well, but grass roots participation is so far behind.

AFL in Sydney is the mirror reverse of football in the participation/attendance nexus.

Do the Western Sydney Wanderers still have fans?

Good grief.
I would have thought attendance was a fairly obvious measure.
MV are the benchmark and no other club is close, so I make no apologies for setting that as the “big club” attendance mark.
Sure, if you want to set 12k, or whatever it is SFC are averaging this season, go for it – but it will look pretty silly.

Do the Western Sydney Wanderers still have fans?

Honestly, Punter, what other measure is there then attendance?

Sometimes your defensiveness over SFC, while well intentioned, is just plain silly.

As in this case.

Do the Western Sydney Wanderers still have fans?

My hunch is that the resurrection of the Wanderers will be rapid and extensive next season. A new stadium, a squad Babel has been able to build himself. To be fair to Babel, he inherited some very poor signings – Kamau, Fizgerald, an overpaid overrated marquee striker in Riera, Hamill. And, God bless him, Elrich, right at the twilight. Much of the season the starting 11 looked like an A League rejects shop. And Babel was stuck with it. I think he’s a good coach and I say watch out for the Wanderers next season.

Do the Western Sydney Wanderers still have fans?

Excellent repost

Do the Western Sydney Wanderers still have fans?

The A League is at an interesting juncture to say the least. I would argue the recovery of the Wanderers is crucial to any hope of the recovery of the A League as a whole. Any league needs “big” clubs. The A League only has one – Melbourne Victory. No matter what SFC says, they aren’t a big club. They would have to be averaging around 20k or over. I think the limits on their support are now pretty clear.
Wanderers have the potential to reach Victory levels of support and lead a recovery of the whole League. At their best, their travelling support created colour and atmosphere wherever they went. The loss of that has been keenly felt – it’s not just their home games.
Sydney FC need a potent Wanderers more than any other club. Always a difficult entity to define, SFC are best defined by contrast with the Wanderers. Each needs the other, and football in Australia needs that rivalry.

Do the Western Sydney Wanderers still have fans?

Yep. In a way, Wanderers are the canary in the coal mine for the A League.

Do the Western Sydney Wanderers still have fans?

Punter, you do have to admit that it’s quite a ride.

Some smarter decisions can help get the A-League back on track

Correction, MF. They were FACTS not facts.

Some smarter decisions can help get the A-League back on track

My apologies if I misinterpreted your intent. I’ve seen the horrendous damage gambling does first hand (not me, I stress), and it’s something I (obviously) feel very strongly about.

That 24 billion figure sure emphasises the point that the average Joe cannot win.

I bet on the A-League. I’m an idiot

Oh look, it was a windup. I have lived in Sydney and thoroughly enjoyed doing so. I’m there on business fairly regularly still. It’s a great city. But there is no doubt that there is a striving, somewhat desperate form of materialism that holds sway in the culture.

Some smarter decisions can help get the A-League back on track

You jest, surely.

Some smarter decisions can help get the A-League back on track

Gambling is a blight on our country, causing untold misery, and the way it has been allowed to infiltrate sport is a disgrace.
Perhaps you should look at the stats before posting this piece of whimsical filler. Australians are the world’s biggest losing gamblers, losing 24 billion dollars every year. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/world/australia/australians-gambling-betting-machines.html
And that last sentence of yours is the reason why.

I bet on the A-League. I’m an idiot

A 25k stadium would have been perfect.
So very Sydney to go for the grand statement that all surface and no substance. Pretty much sums up the culture there.

Some smarter decisions can help get the A-League back on track

But it is too big, and always will be. There is no suggestion that SFC will ever average 20k crowds and that is still not even half the capacity of the new stadium.

What it means for the optics on tv is a stadium that always looks empty.

Some smarter decisions can help get the A-League back on track

the problem is, BT, that they’ve shot the A League in the foot too

Some smarter decisions can help get the A-League back on track

To be realistic, the offer for the next deal will reflect ratings and streaming data, however they gather that (the system is notoriously opaque).

Assuming that is the case, then we can expect any offer to reduce in proportion to the percentage of the ratings fall since the last deal was signed. I think that is running at about 45% now but I’m not certain. Certainly the latest ratings are a fall well in excess of 50%.

Don’t underestimate the possibility of Fox deciding the League isn’t worth any investment if ratings stay at current levels.

Some smarter decisions can help get the A-League back on track

It’s an equation, LH. Does the projected income from the estimated subs generated by the A League coverage justify the cost of the coverage?
Now I haven’t worked for Fox, though I have had some dealings with the network, but the only way I can imagine that they can work out the level of subs tied to the A League is by inference from ratings – who is watching, because those are the people prepared to pay for the A League. It doesn’t take a genius to understand why ratings are obviously important to Fox. They would then add that to streaming data from Kayo. So if ratings are down 30%, then inevitably their subs income can be expected to fall by the same amount – or close to, allowing for some pickup by Kayo.
Fox would have signed the last deal on the basis of ratings indicating a certain level of income from subscriptions generated by the A League. That estimate has now proven to be grossly over the current reality. The network must be losing money hand over fist on the A League right now.
Fox have made it very clear that, on the figures as of a month or so ago, they would only – possibly – renew at a significantly reduced deal. They are not bluffing, and the figures have got worse. Clearly, Fox’s figures tell them that the income does currently not cover the expenditure. Note also how reluctant they were to release the extra 5 million for the new Melbourne team.

Some smarter decisions can help get the A-League back on track