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Just love me rugby and cricket. Don't mind a bit of league on the side and AFL during the finals. Tennis, golf, surfing etc...you name it and I'll have a crack a being second best at it.
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The announcement that Phil Kearns was appointed Rugby Australia’s director of the 2027 Rugby World Cup bid brought a wry to smile to my…
If you're like me and you read The Australian, then Alan Jones' weekly stream of consciousness is probably becoming quite tedious. This week there…
Thanks for the comment. I would like to think that I have that discerning mind.
I agree, a few years ago he was calling out a lot of stuff that needed to be said. Now days I have no idea what his objective is other than to be destructive.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
Many do unfortunately and his uniformed views are far too pervasive in the rugby community IMO.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
Don the data would suggest you’re in the minority but they do usually put out 1 or 2 decent sides. rugby is not going grow by appealing to people who get up 3am to watch SA games. That’s just the facts.
Sorry Australia, the other two nations will supercharge southern hemisphere rugby
It’s probably just a bluff to counter Aus bluff that we will go it alone. Eventually we’ll bluff each other into a TT comp. either that or A NZ Team will be flying over Aus on the way and back to SA pretty regularly while the Aus just sit there a waiting for it to implode.
Sorry Australia, the other two nations will supercharge southern hemisphere rugby
That’s nice. Here are some fact. NZ and Aus audiences do not care much for SA rugby club teams. I haven’t looked at the numbers but Considering Crusaders have 10 (I think), Aus 4, then rest is split between SA and the other NZ winners. So SA hasn’t done that great in 25 years. Also the lions went 0 3 in finals. A pathetic effort. Further, who will be playing in SA. Seriously, right now SA can put up 1 to 2 teams tops that are competitive much like Australia. The difference for Aus been they can improve that situation where as SA can not. In summary why would NZ or Aus travel to SA to play teams no one knows with players know one knows just to entertain the “beauty of SA rugby”.
Sorry Australia, the other two nations will supercharge southern hemisphere rugby
It’s difficult aye. Dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t. I’m more of a fight kinda guy.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
That is exactly the type of confidence that makes Australian rugby fans just the best.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
I only but because I am working in Canada and its really the only national paper we have. When I get home I won’t be buying it anymore. I kinda hope my employer still buys the hard copy so I can read Wayne on my lunch break in the breakout room.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
That’s a very interesting read on what his inner motivations are.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
Please refer to my previous comment. I haven’t have read this.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
I can see from Force fan POV that Alan comes across as good advocate. In the early days 3 years ago I actually agree with you. The decision to axe the team certainly provided him the motivation to commence his campaign.
However, where was he in the 20 years before that event, even 3 years before? The core has been rotting for a long long time.
Grievance for Alan is like poop for flys. They are instinctively attracted to it.
Explain to me now what Alan is doing to promote your team’s cause in way that will help them. Outline his proposal that is going secure the team’s future?
He is advocating on some occasions for the complete scrapping of the provisional teams and a return to only Brisbane and Sydney club rugby.
In all honestly, Alan probably cares as much about the Force as he does about RA. You’ve been wonderful platform from which he can launch attacks and that’s about it.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
It’s a little lite hearted banter mate. Don’t take it too seriously. The political references a metaphors and if you don’t think this is political then you are very naive.
Also the independently funded Lincoln Project’s mission isn’t cancel anyone. Its actually to magnify the stupid stuff they say in way that people can actually see it for what it is. If people decide to cancel someone after that then what’s your problem.
Do you not like liberal democracy and free market economics.
I bet you didn’t even realize that – in calling out my use of political metaphors – you have in fact engaged in an objectively political discussion. So just stop doing that ok.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
Yeah. We don’t hear about your story from him do we but he’s always happy to throw out the Randwick reference as evidence of his deep grass roots credentials.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
I don’t read him much any more. Barely skim either. The last piece he did just really go my back up ,particularly after the comments editors blocked my post.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
Disagree man.
If you ignore people like Alan you give them power because they are setting the narrative. Based on the some comments here – surprisingly – I am more convinced that there needs to concerted effort at attacking that narrative.
Problems like Alan Jones don’t just go away.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
I choose my words carefully. I think if you read what you cut copied you’ll notice I have used the phase “wide range”.
Go and read all those comes and provide a report on the heterogeneity of them.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
Its a metaphor mate much the same way a brick is used to describe someones level of intelligence.
As in “he’s as think as a brick”
Good to you.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
What exactly do you think Alan Jones has achieved via his campaign? Seriously, please tell me and everyone else the observable achievements that are linked to Alan and his rants.
Its funny how for 20 years Alan had nothing say because rugby was pretty uninteresting even through the core was rotting the whole time. A few years ago it suddenly became interesting because there were grievances to be stoked and wadda know there’s Alan.
A little late to the party for me.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
Oh Nat, You are clearly one my poor souls. Re-education states now for mate.
No, Alan had nothing to do with Captains letter. I only need to read one sentence like that to know how little you know and frankly the rest of that ramble belongs on the The Aus message boards.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
Well if you think you can do better then put your money where your mouth is.
Also buddy as stated I am only rebutted one article not the entire cannon.
Thanks for agreeing with my main point. Sorry it was too short for pal.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones
Thanks Nick. Your engagement here is awesome.
I have never considered the ITM semi-pro been used as the intermediate step for the 2 weaker Australian sides. There is some serious logic to this idea. I think the NZRU would even be interested in expanding the comp into a new market. It will also establish a credible promotion and relegation pathway over time – in the Australian context. Promotion and relegation is something that has been talked about frequently but I have never been able to get my head around how that would work in Australia only. This approach makes it seem quite possible.
The Will Skeleton analogy is interesting. Reminds of when the bums from the Red’s squad in the 00’s would move on. So often they suddenly become “class” or even “world class”. As strong believer in free market economics it makes complete sense that the same principles apply to professional rugby team.
Crusaders squad in NZ, there are prob about 22 players in it with ability or aspiration above provincial level – and you need at least one environment like that in Australia.
Well 1/3 ain’t terrible because we have this. The Reds.
Too big to fail: Why Rugby Australia must not make the same mistake again
There is absolutely no scenario now that will see the Force removed again. This I am absolutely certain of.
You’re correct that article certainly implied the cutting of teams but it failed to determine which ones and to articulate fully why that will be good for rugby in Australia as a whole.
Hopefully there is follow up that delves into this detail.
Too big to fail: Why Rugby Australia must not make the same mistake again
Nick I want to retract my last statement. It was poor.
I am genuinely trying to challenge you here so that maybe you can provide a better understand of the scenarios from a high performance point of view.
Here my hypothetical that I can image for your article.
1. We can only have 3 teams because we have satisfy NZ that worthy enough to play them again. So which 2 do we cut? We know what the Force, Reds and Tahs will say to anyone that mentions it them “ha ha ha, (pat on head), that’s nice, now F off”. Ok, so have to cull the Rebs & Brumbies, but wait! The Brumbies HP programme is the best so we can’t get rid of that. This is certainty a sentiment expressed by repeatedly over the past 2 years. Please explain how we square that ledge. What do the squads of a 3 team footprint look like – who’s in and who’s out – and why will those squads will be able to compete with the Crusaders et al?
2. RA says FU to NZRU its 5 or nothing and NZRU crumble like apple pie. Across the entire footprint how many new players need to be introduced into the system to make it competitive and in what positions and whom are some players that should be targeted from an NPC or Curry cup team. I have seen you do this type of analysis focusing on a team, a player or positions. What about the whole system?
Too big to fail: Why Rugby Australia must not make the same mistake again
Trumpian, really? Yes.
Its dark, it dishonest, it divisive, its uniformed…shall I go on.
A rebuttal of Alan Jones