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A LONG time Chelsea supporter, an original AUFC fan, member and season ticket holder. Life member of Salisbury Utd, past player , ref, coach and administrator. Yep been there done that.

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Being the hot topic that it is, Promotion and Relegation to the A League, IMO, won’t be the ‘silver bullet’ many people seem to think it will be.
Before we consider P/R we must, as an absolute, have a sustainable and viable 2nd division. That may take 5 – 10 years to establish, that time line won’t satisfy a lot of people, many of us want to happen as early as 2021. Realistically, if that was rushed through, [and it won’t be] then it will fail.
The next question or debate will be access to the 2nd division. This is even harder to establish than the current debate. IF the answer is no, the 2nd division must be a closed shop, then we have learnt nothing from the past 14 years. Access to and from the 2nd division will be harder to resolved than setting up the current 2nd division.

As an example: the bottom team from the 2nd division comes from Melbourne. Does the FFV automatically slot them back into the top tier of Victorian Football? If so, does the FFV run their top league with an extra team, or do they prevent they top side from their 2nd division being promoted? I know silly questions, but they all have to be asked and answered before to go to the next stage.

For a second division to work in Australia we need all of the State Federations working together [good luck with that] so that there is a smooth pathway for all clubs to actually reach the A League if they are capable of doing so.

So many questions, so few answers!

Promotion and relegation is the shake-up the A-League needs

@Koz – you do realise that there are many successful sports that currently run leagues that include promotion and relegation. Local football associations in all states have for nearly 100 years had P/R so to say it is sheer stupidity shows a lack of understanding. Even aussie rules associations run multiple leagues which includes P/R and from the out side looking in works ok.
For P/R to work successfully [and it can for any sport] you need to have a sound base to work from. IMO for our football code to have a sustainable P/R system we need a highly successful, well organised [easier said than done] 2nd Division. Once that is set up and running successfully then you can look at a P/R system that suits our code here. Until then we should all just chill and work towards setting up that 2nd Division.

Promotion and relegation is the shake-up the A-League needs

It’s an interesting debate. As an older person advertising on social media has little appeal to me, in fact the only way to influence me or get me to read/watch an add is via direct interaction. We don’t watch FTA TV mainly Fox and Optus. I get emails from both the FFA and my club, AUFC so I haven’t seen or bothered with either the ads from WSW or SFC or any other of the A League clubs.

Social media is one way to actually market the A-League

@ Waz – that is the best summary I’ve read on here, ever! Well done.

Football's 'us versus them' mentality is the next problem to fix

The next 5 years of watching football on a monitor in a loungeroom or sports bar will no doubt change dramatically for most people. For us oldies, not much will change, we will follow the A League to what ever format hosts it. If Fox sell it off then the wife and I have a decision to make, do we keep Fox for the other content we enjoy or not. Do we over lap with content on multiple hosts? We currently have both Fox and Optus for our football fix, but have noticed that many of our favourite shows are also on Fetch, so do we ditch Fox all together or stick with what we know and trust.

Football's 'us versus them' mentality is the next problem to fix

Interesting comment. Maybe we’re fortunate as Adelaide has only the one A League club, and will remain so for the foreseeable future [I hope], so making that connection was easy for me and my entire family. Foremost, we all love the game, yes we all follow clubs in England [my heritage] but none of us have that connection to our English clubs as we do to Utd. We still follow our local community club and the clubs in the Amateur League where we played, but the A League is the pinnacle of our sport in Australia, for us it was a no brainer when it came along. PS we have never considered our club just as a business franchise that happened to play football, it has always been and will always be so much more.

Football's 'us versus them' mentality is the next problem to fix

I agree totally Nem. The A League clubs were franchises but in fact can be called clubs. My Adelaide Utd is just as much a club as is Chelsea [my other football love]. They both have an Owner and both are run by a board. Same as my community club Salisbury Utd.

The Wanderers take their first step from franchise to proper club

Not at all Waz, no mystery at all. Any one can go along to the venue, and check out the training. Admittedly it is only a training venue but there is no mystery about it.

The Wanderers take their first step from franchise to proper club

Thanks Stuart, she who must be obeyed, has book a local Hotel. But 😊 happy to introduce ourselves to you over a coffee or 2. ⚽

How valuable will Bankwest Stadium be to the Wanderers?

@ Buddy, Hindmarsh isn’t too bad, you get a whole section at the Southern end, the same as the Active support area at the scoreboard end.

How valuable will Bankwest Stadium be to the Wanderers?

If as expected the new Stadium breathes new life into both the Wanderers and the A League, just imagine what the new Western Utd Stadium will do, if they too can capture a unique part of Western Melbourne. It is only a matter of time before Adelaide has it’s own purpose build modern stadium close to the CBD. Times they are a changing.

How valuable will Bankwest Stadium be to the Wanderers?

As Utd fans we too looked at the fixtures and at first pencilled in the WSW away game as one to go to. now with a month to go before kick-off we have made the conscience decision that come February we will be travelling to the harbour city and then out to Parra for the weekend. Can not wait till round 20, almost as excited as welcoming the Victory and our old friend Marco to Hindmarsh. This closed season is way too long.

How valuable will Bankwest Stadium be to the Wanderers?

Not sure what you are on about here Dr. I assume you are referring to the RBB and the use, by certain individuals who choose to break the law and use ‘flares’ to create [in their opinion] atmosphere. I try in my own way, to create atmosphere, and in some peoples eyes, maybe yours, I too am a criminal. I stand, when I should be seated, I shout, swear, chant, scream and abuse whoever we are playing. I, like many people believe that if I just go to a game to sit and not say a word, then I might as well stay home and let the game atmosphere die, which I think is what you would prefer. If safe smoke devices are available and are allowed to be used, then I will be one of the first to use them. Fingers crossed Dr, you are not in control of match days at Hindmarsh, and who would send in the ‘black shirts’ to hustle me out of the ground.

Better policing will help improve A-League atmospheres

They are the only people i haven’t asked. lets see what they say.

Better policing will help improve A-League atmospheres

This is a question I have asked both the FFA and my club, without getting a clear definitive answer. Are you sure the FFA have approved safe smoke devises?

Better policing will help improve A-League atmospheres

What have you started Mike?

Better policing will help improve A-League atmospheres

@ac my wife and i have been to nearly all of Adelaide’s home games and many away games, plus we’re not kids any more [mores the pity] and i can tell you I have never felt intimidated by any group of fans. We don’t sit [0r stand] with the active supporters but are sure glad they exist. Having said all of that, as a REDS fan I wouldn’t go and sit with the away fans under any circumstances.

Better policing will help improve A-League atmospheres

An optimistic Gooners fan, how unusual. Mate if you don’t smash them by 5 clear goals it will be a bad result for you.

Relegation battle looms for Magpies as Gunners look to start on a high

What would you prefer, contracts for life?

Why Aaron Mooy’s move to Brighton makes perfect sense

There were plans to expand the Stadium to about 22-25k all covered but the cost would prevent any tenants [mainly AUFC] from affording it. I agree with you, to a degree, that building a stadium JUST for football and one event, would be a waste of taxpayers money. You have to think bigger.

A-League independence is almost here but how commercially daring can it be?

@ Nick Symonds – I think what we have just seen in the last 24-48 hours re another stadium in Adelaide is only the start of a much bigger debate. I suspect the State Government is planning to sell off both Hindmarsh Stadium and the Entertainment Centre and end up building one of the most ambitious and ground braking venues in the world. Over the railway tracks close to the Riverside Development you may find a new 30-35k venue for Football, Basketball, Netball, concerts and a general Entertainment venue. The football pitch will be retractable and the seating will be moveable to suit the different sports. Plus I believe another safe standing area for footballs Active Supporters. Watch this space.

A-League independence is almost here but how commercially daring can it be?

@ Jack Russell – assuming you are basing your argument solely on the emotions of being a Victory fan. Yes it would be soul destroying for the club to be relegated but not the end of the world that you think it is. It won’t effect my club, AUFC, apart from the one home game when Victory comes to town. Who knows, the club that replaces them may be just as dynamic and have a supporter base that will stand by them.

A-League independence is almost here but how commercially daring can it be?

Not so sure you would call him a superstar, just yet, but there is a young lad [19yo] starting tomorrow night for the Reds, Alhassan Toure, will be interesting to see how he goes.

A-League independence is almost here but how commercially daring can it be?

I would argue, if Victory were the worse performing team in any given season, why should they be retained?

A-League independence is almost here but how commercially daring can it be?

Nem is right about the Finals System Mattq, We all go [or want to go] to the Grand-Final but the Elimination finals or Pre-lims, it’s just the hard core that choose to go. So he is right about the finals when we compare attendances to other football codes.

A-League independence is almost here but how commercially daring can it be?