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A passionate, yet moderate view on all things rugby. "grass is the basis of all rugby" Sometimes ref, sometimes coach, rubbish player and always will believe in the rugby family.

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Brett,
Comments are simple from this Geek! “here here” or even “hear hear” but at the breakdown it should be there there!
Geek is in dismay.

The age-old problem at the heart of another lacklustre Wallabies performance

I am with you Brother@! Drinking a sh@t ton of Bundy now, just getting ready!

Wallabies well poised to double down on All Blacks

Will, One on the most enjoyable weeks has been had by the old Geek! Reading Kiwi commentary on Kiwi failure (as rare as it is) has been a delight. But the fans are tough on the AB’s and the very self worth of the individual of the AB player is under question. To be done over again by the Wusses across the ditch! UNACCEPTABLE!!!! So all should expect a fornomial attempt at correcting the natural order of things in New Zealands view. Our Men in Gold will need to expect that if last weekend was physical, this weekend will be at least twice that. Belief in oneself and total commitment may not be enough tomorrow! THIS IS TEST MATCH FOOTY!!!!! Bring it on…..

Wallabies well poised to double down on All Blacks

Brett,
Even after 4 replays, I am still enjoying the game. So much of what the public called for has been implemented with a lovely result. But my fears are:-
1) beware of a bruised KIWI! I expect them so have sent the bench mark of 50 clear on the Wallabies. So a close match at Eden park for me is a win.
2) Wallaby players read the press! In the past they have does this and won the game before the whistle. Then the KIWI’s put 50 on us. This something we must absolutely avoid.
What I dreamt but then realised it was real that every player after the win was focused on the second game! That I love……

What we know after the Wallabies' stunning Bledisloe 1 win

Jimmy, If there is one topic that makes my head hurt its this one! Our Junior pool of players may not be perfect but wow we have some playing talent in it. We spend so much time and money on the craziest of things when some small dollars spent to lock our Under 16’s at the national schools in on pathway contracts that cost 5 -10 k per year until we have a U20 rep and then we lock them again till 25 for a market contract would see our playing stocks go through the roof! But we can still afford to pay a player $700,000 to not play rugby for a two year sabbatical! Urrgh how crazy. Now we will hose down the toilet $10M Plus legal costs over the Issie Falou matter. Could you have imagined how far that money could have gone in player development contracts (pathway). Why in my simple mind does this seem to be such a no-brainer? What am I missing?????

Is another league player really the answer for union?

geoff,
Understand the point but the old saying goes beggars can’t be choosers! atm we need as much as possible/ Especially when the boks and the argies are loose on this topic and I think we should be as well. In order to keep the locals happy in the WB cause you only offer them a short term performance package ie train on squad and game payments. So the RA contracts are only on offer for the local SR AND CLUB PLAYERS!

Christian Lealiifano headlines raft of changes to Wallabies team for Argentina clash

numpty issue is I like SK at 12 but he plays a good 13 as well. JOC is really a 12 that can run 10 or 15(slow) TK has not reached his Personal best levels for awhile now. Looking for a good reason for this? But still looking…..

Christian Lealiifano headlines raft of changes to Wallabies team for Argentina clash

DJ,
Looks like the selection team has been forced to think a little harder. I kinda like this selection although I wonder about 12 & 13, not firing too well, perhaps CLL will set them off. But they need to. I am keen to see JOC at 12 and SK to 13 & TK to Bench. But I expect we shall see it this weekend anyway.

Question is? what if they put a 2 point to 1 belting on us? Where do we go from there?

Also noted that 6 international contracted Boks are in for the game against the AB’s. I still struggle with why we don’t do the same. Heaven knows we need the best players we can get.

Christian Lealiifano headlines raft of changes to Wallabies team for Argentina clash

Absolutely! But “hard over the ball” is a mentality thing. Once someone does it they all start to do it! At this point in time without Poey or Latu (not that I would pick him) who is going to lead the charge?

Why the Wallabies were caught short in Johannesburg

Perhaps we bring in the U20’s Captain McWright and show him 20 minutes to see how he fairs. The gaps past Pocock is big.
On the other side of the equator lies some of the help we need! I wonder if Scott needs some phone numbers?

Why the Wallabies were caught short in Johannesburg

Jeznez, Hoy, The refs process was late hit after the whistle. Was it worthy of a yellow? YEP! It would have crossed the not negotiable standard for safe and fair play, plus he was lazy with his approach to the clean out. If he had made as much as a slight attempt to not line him up? He may have got away with it. But the refs spend a week developing plans for the game and likely scenarios for which to prepare for. A late or illegal (point) cleanout – definitely Kepu and Tupou top of that list. Both with previous form. We bemoan the WB for their lack of adaptation and it’s true for foul play as well. Just Dumb by the whole playing group and coaching staff. Its broken and continues to stay that way.

The Wrap: Are the Wallabies cursed? Too right they are

Geoff, well written article and much of what you say is accurate. However the thing we are all escaping to realise is that we are simply ranked at our correct position and playing the Boks who are ranked higher were able to put a B+ team on the field and beat us comfortably scoring 2 points to 1.
The current position will not improve without definite marked changes to the way we do business. Front office – Cheika and Crowd and back office Castle and Johnson. At this point in time I see no changes and therefore no change in what we get as an outcome. So I now look to after the world cup for surgery with a chainsaw to fix the problems. But who will hold the chainsaw? Viva la revolution!

The Wrap: Are the Wallabies cursed? Too right they are

Don,
So true! Wallabies will correct that good habit with our gold standard bad habit! :0

Tom Banks, Nic White named to start as Wallabies side to play South Africa is revealed

Brett, “It’s certainly a nice problem to have, but it absolutely underlines my point about depth. Having now adjusted their eligibility policy to select players from wherever they’re playing, Erasmus can be both pragmatic and strategic with his selections during the Rugby Championship.”
This will be Cheika’s Legacy! Australia needs to move on from a controlling elite’s view of how we are and be honest with ourselves and select the very best Australian player where ever they are. That way we might just be able to give our mates across the ditch a run for their money. Should Australia put in a dud performance, a breakthrough is on offer.

In a RWC year, what are Cheika’s future-proofing obligations?

Yeah Actually I think they are different to us. I would like to think that we are strong enough to do that. But honestly, we are not like them. The code is struggling on multiple fronts and yet still popular in a few. But health check is poor. So let them go get and good overseas and pay them for their value when and if we need them.

Talk of a million too much for Tupou

Jacko just for you here is Gilmore CV.
(Tahs Board please read twice)
Experience
Rugby Australia
National Academies Coach/Junior Wallabies Coach
Company NameRugby Australia
Dates EmployedNov 2018 – Present
Employment Duration8 mos
Queensland Rugby Union (Queensland Reds)
Company NameQueensland Rugby Union (Queensland Reds)
Total Duration4 yrs 1 mo
TitleReds EYD Coach/Junior Wallabies Coach
Dates EmployedNov 2017 – Nov 2018
Employment Duration1 yr 1 mo
TitleAssistant Coach
Dates EmployedNov 2016 – Nov 2017
Employment Duration1 yr 1 mo
Show 1 more role
Anglican Church Grammar School (Churchie)
1st XV Head Coach & Athletic Development Coordinator
Company NameAnglican Church Grammar School (Churchie)
Dates EmployedJan 2013 – Nov 2014
Employment Duration1 yr 11 mos
Toowoomba Grammar School
1st XV Head Coach
Company NameToowoomba Grammar School
Dates EmployedOct 2010 – Nov 2012
Employment Duration2 yrs 2 mos
Queensland Rugby Union (Queensland Reds)
Company NameQueensland Rugby Union (Queensland Reds)
Total Duration7 yrs
TitleJunior Reds Head Coach
Dates EmployedJan 2008 – Oct 2010
Employment Duration2 yrs 10 mos
TitleState Development Manager
Dates Employed2003 – Dec 2007
Employment Duration4 yrs

Talk of a million too much for Tupou

Jacko, Agree mate will send and SMS to Mr Hore right now with his phone number. This bloke is not unknow to RA ha had a pretty good run at coaching ask a few 7’s players.

Talk of a million too much for Tupou

TWAS, your point is fair. But if I was Raelene? (don’t think I want her job anyway) I would kill the Giteau Law. Kerevi is a great player, $900K per year is a lot of cash. Would suggest he is saying no because Hooper is over the 1M, Topu is almost there, so to speak. I think its a parity/face issue. But I digress, kill this Giteau Law madness, bring our tourists back on a match fee basis if good enough when and if needed. Lock in our U20’s for 4-5 years and see how that works. Do that each year and see how 80 fastastic U25 players work for us? Rugby is a young mans game after all.

Talk of a million too much for Tupou

Will, I wonder what RA is feeling at the moment? They have been largely criticised for every decision they make. This one is just a long line in many gafs, seriously I wonder. We all know the story about limited earning times, the threat of going overseas to the big money etc., But can they not see the problem lies within. Topu had many choices of National Squads, OZ, Tonga & Kiwi. But he chose us? Why? That needs to be explored and answered. Cash is always king in contracts but culture and a sense of opportunity are also key. $250K over the price I would have thought. Topu is Young and has the opportunity to play 100 tests for the Wallabies so he is valuable but we need to work it out. We pay too much for Pocock (end of his useful careeer due to injury) Hooper we could have saved 1.5 million on that. I think it was just paraity call, but on who? Leaves me dumb founded. My real focus today is to tie up the U20 squad for 4 years if possible. Looking forward you need a new? 1-15 watch a few games! Standouts are Longian, Frost, McRight, Lucas just to name a few, others are just fanstatic and have all shown the values we so long for in Gold. I would want to incubate them further, prevent them from becoming a brat pack by over adoring them ( Cooper, O’conner & Beale – remember) then let them loose on belting our old mates across the ditch. Their lies the secret, is they have already belted the junior All Blacks in the Oceania Champs and kept their score line intack. I can’t remember a Wallaby side doing that in living memory. Some would call that a winning Culture. I not sure what that is in test footy but I do like the sound of it….

Talk of a million too much for Tupou

Cheers Gibbo! A good bloke to all accounts. However the head coach space is a tough one and with a results sheet like this season, best to go on your terms. Good luck with the future. Back onto the Tahs, is being the Coach of NSW a poision challace? I think so…….

Daryl Gibson resigns as Waratahs head coach after dismal season

Northern Pom a good read. I like the ideas of us locking our bright young stars in on incentive/performance contracts. Allow the NRL converts to cross over any time they want and if young enough move them onto the same style contracts. But more importantly the benefit of Lucas playing in the Reds has lit up the U20’s. So the Super Rugby should be a place for them to hone their skill. Hiding these players in the back 22 is a bad idea. Look at Mason in the Tahs, no game time and his form drops. Understandable really, but we need to set him up with game time and that should be the role of Scott Johnson to figure out. Good luck with this?

The Junior Wallabies offer RA a way forward – just don't call them a 'golden generation'

Nic, thanks for providing a Wednesday morning diversion. Great topic btw. Australia is in such strife with it’s game; the way forward seems a lot more confused to me. I fail to see the issue in opening selections for our World Cup team to overseas contracted players. I would expect that you would offer them a match selection success fee and a train on squad fee so they earn something. Should it be excessive or even like an Australian resident marque player, no I don’t think so. Players are young, their time window is limited and earnings are crutial for later on. Wallaby success is important to us all. We are certainly in no place to accept some losses because we have such excessive talent it does not matter. Last time I checked we where a long way behind the boys over the ditch and even the Poms belted us. So lets not pretend (something that is inherrantly “rugby” in Australia). Nic and Will are playing at their peak at this point in time. Maybe its because they matured overseas, or they connected with coaching staff but really, who cares. They are worthy of consideration by the selectors and we should consider making them an offer. The Giteau Law is a rubbish idea and we need to see it as such and get on with winning a game for a change. RA needs to find clarity and get on with it. Give Johnson, Chieka and their team the tools so they can excell. Is it really that hard?

Will Australian rugby become a farm for the north?

Prof_Kaos
ever listened to the refs during a game? They do all what you say anyway. They refer to themselves as a team of three. Ref’s are a product of their country, personality and Union.
All different always different and thats the colour of rugby.

The constant cry for consistency

ZC, For a Rugby Pro I am left a little underwhelmed. The Cry for Refereeing Consistency will never ever ever stop. The sheer fact it’s screamed out from the tree tops seems that it is quite consistent. In the hundreds of elite games that are refereed each week the refereeing is by all standards very high. Rugby is one of the most dynamic games played, based on a comprehensive law book that is balanced by an overarching need to have freedom and fluidity to play in a way the team chooses all the time the referee is managing this dynamic fluid approach with a sense of creating a symphony that the crowd pay big money to come and see. The teams (coaching machine) scheme ways to graft advantage in a way that allows them to live in the grey spaces between Black Letter law and a material effect that should not impede the fluidity of the game/spectactical. Richie McCaw possibly the greatest of all players managed this on a level which only real rugby boffins would be in awe, most of the crowd would simply miss. Referees for which I am would tell you that errors in refereeing happen, televised ones are always held up as massive errors (shock, horror) but in reality not to many issues arise. As a some who has also thrown their shoulder behind the wheel of being a coach. You always want to play in a way that keeps the ref out of decisions that control the outcome of a game. The highlighted fau-pars you illustrate are those high impact moments that change the possible result.
The amount of work of the referee that goes into reducing the poor judgement calls in a match is phenomenal and the systems that WR and all tiers down go through is extensive. The Game Management Guidelines that are published by WR and each country are clearly testament to this drive for consistency. I would suggest it’s been achieved for years now. A process that is statistically well within acceptable margins.

The constant cry for consistency

Will
This is the story that keeps on giving after its given its all. I feel for the pro journo’s who must be as bored with this as I am reading it. But its still here and we are still writing about it. (go Figure) But, on your point will Raelene survive this? Absolutely, she has navigated a pretty course through this so far and I hope she makes it to the end without too much personal damage to her. However, sadly I think Nick Taylor will be calculating his options. I am sure the keyboard warriors are already seething about my comment. But any CEO dealing with type of HR issue would be on the ropes. But my take-outs are, RA has been seen in a more positive light than negative through this whole affair. No press are out there screaming for RC head (I EXCLUDE ALAN JONES ALWAYS).
My read is she tried to handle the issue with understanding the first time and received acknowledgement that all was good. Contract issues, I just don’t know what really did happen etc so lets not speculate. Then after assurances the issue re-occurs and RC is painted into a pretty tight spot. No winners from this point forward only dignity and scars. To be fair Raelene has treated IF with dignity and RA public and sponsors as such. There is an issue which is being dealt with the best way possible. Ideally, IF should have come back into the fold, but that looks like its not possible, so settlement is the only answer, out of court preferably. I saw RC the other day leaving RA, she has worries and plenty of them, but I felt she was growing into her role. So would I give her a pass mark? For the Issie issue 8/10. So lets get back to the RWC topics like who who in the Rugby Camp Zoo! Cheika, Johnson, O’connor 4 x 10’s, 3×15’s, Is Kurtley our man???? I just want to get excited so can we move on?

Will Raelene Castle survive the Folau scandal?