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Thom Roker is an avid AFL fan. He has been writing and podcasting Gold Coast Suns content since 2017, with a focus on Academy players, VFL games, list management and player profiles, as well as the inaugural season of the Suns AFLW team. He has followed the Southport Sharks since they joined the QAFL.

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Yeah, he has told stories about waiting on the side of the highway at Eagleby to get a lift to training at 15. He wrote a great story about the day at Carrara when Simon Beasley marked the ball next to the behind post to have a shot after the siren to win the game. The gatekeepers swung open the gates to the oval and 300 kids went running out as Beasley, who kicked a tonne that year, missed and the Bears won. Vossy and I were both kids on that same oval. Mick Malthouse was Doggies coach then and he’s still pissed off about it.

They made a Mars Bar Ad out of it. Had to be 1988. Vossy was there.

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I’m thinking a player trade, although rare, would involve Will Brodie from the Suns. He’s Victorian, probably offers something quite different to the smaller Bomber mids, but is a one dimensional inside bull with limited versatility. The Suns have Hugh Greenwood and Brayden Fiorini ahead of Brodie, but those guys have more versatility. Plus, Sam Flanders, Alex Davies and Elijah Hollands are coming through.

Brodie for Shiel probably offsets given the age difference and contract size. Suns could certainly use Shiel’s speed and find a spot for him and he’s got a 3 year contract. Another player who the Bombers might be interested in is Darcy Macpherson, who isn’t going to cost a lot but is a terrific small forward who can spend time in the middle. The Sam Day idea wouldn’t be a bad one if the Suns hadn’t already moved on Peter Wright.

I think there will be some surprises this trade period because of the lockdown and the way it is making players either homesick or wanting a change of environment.

The five players your team can least afford to lose: Essendon Bombers

What an amazing turnaround. Earlier in the season the Eagles were raving about how much Brander had improved on the wing and become best 22. I’d take him at the Suns except we already have this bloke named Jack Lukosius who plays the same role. 195cm wingers are the new norm. 22yo Brander was good, but 25yo Brander will be ready to play more time forward as needed. Probably only worth a 2nd rounder given he’s only played 25% of games.

Are the Eagles refusing to accept they need a rebuild?

Jake is a Mr Irrelevant. It’s his destiny to be better than Alec.

Are the Eagles refusing to accept they need a rebuild?

I think you are spot on. These were crucial for the Bombers.

What do you think will happen with Dylan Shiel? Is he a Bomber in 2022? Could he be trade bait and how much could the Bombers be on the hook to pay?

The five players your team can least afford to lose: Essendon Bombers

To be clear, the Suns rebuild has seen 42 players moved on since Dew arrived and there will be more to come this trade period. That’s a rebuild. Eagles have only had 32 in that time and that number will be unlikely to go up much. West Coast’s delistings were exacerbated by the list size reduction, whereas, the Suns would have delisted those players anyway as well as having a larger list.

Are the Eagles refusing to accept they need a rebuild?

The Roar doesn’t allow swears. You can’t swear in a comment or it just won’t be published. Eds will censor, but interesting to see what they allowed. I agree with you, but the advertisers get the final say as well as the minority who claim to be offended.

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I’d like to see the rule reviewed and a suggestion such as yours, with common sense at its core, implemented so that the stand rule is only used for field kicks and not shots at goal. Slowing down the play by the opponent is currently allowed to go because of interpretation, which must be cleaned up. I don’t mind a common sense reset of play with no free when the players are being stupid, but a 50m penalty should be reserved for serious infringements. I agree that a 25m penalty is often warranted. Stand should stay, but not on shots for goal.

You make an interesting point about the old commission. It’s still called that, but the AFL have control of it. I am counting down the days until the Suns can break away from AFL ownership because they have a huge conflict that almost always damages the Suns to keep the other 17 clubs happy.

MASON COX: ‘He works his arse off’: Why I’m all in on Gawn

The Eagles are typically ruthless when delisting players and exceptional at identifying talent in the later rounds. Far from a rebuild, they are looking at a reload where they can create better competition for spots while capitalising on their A-Graders as their window closes. I’m not ready to call them yet, unlike Collingwood and, to a lesser extent, Richmond.

Are the Eagles refusing to accept they need a rebuild?

So far the 18 teams have delisted 70 odd players and only a handful will find another home. West Coast have 7 places to fill, maybe more if they trade players such as Brander. The AFL website only lists the picks that have DVI points attached, so West Coast have picks 10, 29, 35, 49, 65 plus 83 and 101. However, with the likes of Collingwood and the Dogs aquiring and burning picks to match bids, plus many other father-sons and academy bids compressing the draft, those round 5 and 6 picks will come into the 60s where there will be players to be had, especially WAFL players.

I really like Greg Clark. What’s your read on him? Is he the next Tim Kelly or has he got flaws in his game? His stats look incredible and I note that he didn’t nominate for the mid-season rookie draft.

Are the Eagles refusing to accept they need a rebuild?

Jake Waterman is good value – 6 marks and a goal a game, 65% set shot, had some career highs in 2021, on 23yo medium tall-forward. Put him in a forward line with Oscar Allen and Jack Darling, with Jamie Cripps, Liam Ryan and Willie Rioli with Bailey Williams resting forward and JK becomes a bonus. By the way, Kennedy is on 278 games, just 22 from the milestone all players aspire to,

Are the Eagles refusing to accept they need a rebuild?

How does free agency make things fair when the best team in the comp can poach the best player in the worst team without parting with a draft pick? And what teams do you think are getting COLA?

The stand rule meets a need in the game, but it affected sides with their forward defensive pressure. Not just Richmond, but I believe it contributed to their slide. Creating turnovers and forcing opponents into their own half was a staple of the Richmond game that seemed to be lacking.

I, for one, think the stand rule prevented games from devolving into a messy kick to kick along the grandstand sideline where a dominant team like GWS could squash a young team like the Suns, whereas, with the stand rule we suddenly see the game open up for beautiful running teams to put on a show. Let’s see what tomorrow brings.

MASON COX: ‘He works his arse off’: Why I’m all in on Gawn

In 30 years of reading about Michael Voss from his days as a junior and his recollections of being a kid following the Bears at Carrara, I have never once heard him say he barracked for Carlton. I think he means that kids in the 80s had their team but followed either Essendon, Carlton or Hawthorn in the Grand Final.

By the way, speaking of Queensland juniors, the Queensland U19s side just held off a final quarter comeback from the Tasmania U19s. Some players to watch in the upcoming draft from both sides.

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The AFL gets a lot of its innovations from the NFL. The draft, free agency, score reviews etc have all been lifted largely unchanged, with minor modifications. Rule changes have made the game faster and fairer. I watched part of the 2002 Grand Final recently and the player just took so long to kick the ball from a mark that I couldn’t believe the umpires didn’t call play on, but they didn’t do it back then. The stand rule needs some modification, but the way thing were you’d have the man on the mark influencing play too much.

I played soccer as a teenager, but I have never played under what I call the “new offside rule”, which I think was implemented 25 years ago. It gives such an advantage to attacking players and has forced defences into a completely different approach. I’d have dined out on the extra 5 metres from beating the offside trap. Soccer has changed so much just from that one, intrinsic rule change.

What you have observed in the AFL is just a snapshot, but you came at the end of the Hawks dynasty and have played through the Tigers 3 flags. The AFL changes the laws of the game to take away the advantage for other teams. Hawthorn missed finals after the AFL took away 3rd man up in the ruck, although ruckmen like Jarrod Witts suddenly flourished. Richmond have missed finals after 4 dominant years because of the stand rule. The AFL introduced the ruck circle in 2005 and it ended the Brisbane Lions dynasty.

MASON COX: ‘He works his arse off’: Why I’m all in on Gawn

Sounds like Mason got the coach he needed at Collingwood.

MASON COX: ‘He works his arse off’: Why I’m all in on Gawn

You’re giving B+ for mediocrity? Chuckles, your grading system is a sham. A beautiful chaotic sham designed to blow a cold wind up the sphincters of your readership. 7 teams to go and they all have to get A’s. Where’s the popcorn. This is going to get interesting.

An unexpected journey: Essendon Bombers season review

I wasn’t suggesting Stan Alves be hired for anything. I was referencing your comment about throwing away coaches after one stint. How could you not see that? The guy is 75 years old. I was agreeing with you. Stan Alves is the exemplar of a coach that was sacked for stupid reasons.

Voss locked in as Carlton coach

I take the view that Ben King has flourished because his brother’s injury opened doors for him that had previously been closed. He always came second to his brother. Max played forward, he’s a bit taller, he went at pick 4 ahead of Ben by 2.

Even academically, Ben’s score was top 2 percentile, while Max came in the top 1%. But when Ben found out his score he was on top of a mountain in NZ thousands of Kms away from his family, so Solly asked him to share with the playing group and 40 odd Suns mobbed him.

He’s gone on record saying how much he loves the GC, especially days when his brother is freezing his balls off at Brighton while he’s at Broadbeach. No contest.

St Kilda season review: Anything but saintly

Stan Alves took St Kilda to a GF, then finals and was sacked, never to coach another AFL team. Grant Thomas was treated similarly.

Voss locked in as Carlton coach

How many Leo Sayers are there?

Voss locked in as Carlton coach

Stan Alves comes to mind.

Voss locked in as Carlton coach

Nathan Buckley, Ross Lyon, Alastair Clarkson, Don Pyke and Chris Scott say hi!

Voss locked in as Carlton coach

You win most spurious comment of the day.

Voss locked in as Carlton coach

I think one of the tests of a good ruck is how they share the ruck load. Some take 85% and spend the rest of their time on the bench. Max Gawn is letting Luke Jackson take more of the chopout than most lead rucks do because he’s so good up and down the ground when he’s not tied up at stoppage.

That said, hasn’t been a dominant ruckman in the last decade that has won a GF. Gawn is more than just a one trick pony.

Forget the Brownlow – these are my top ten players of 2021

Pick 4 is way too much and 23 is unders, so there will be an exchange of picks. Could be more movement before the deal gets done.

What will happen with the top picks in the AFL draft?

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