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A former rugby lock, cricket no.11 bat and no.10 bowler, and surfboat rower. A fan of the major team sports in Australia.

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When is an Aussie really an Aussie?

Ben Ryan, the English coach of the Fijian rugby sevens gold medal winning team at the Rio Olympics, caused quite a stir recently with his caustic observations of how the Pacific Islands were being effectively ‘stripped’ by the major rugby union powers.

I would like to say something about the sacking of Latrell Mitchell.
Regrettably, this is just another example of the “white fellas” failing to understand the mindset of our indigenous Australians.
From my admittedly limited experience, indigenous Australians have a powerful connection with family, which is exceedingly admirable. This might not be true everywhere, but it is certainly evident in many places.
As we go through life, we begin to understand more & more, the importance of strong family support & faithful friends. Both are essential to a meaningful, purposeful & contented life.
Indigenous Australians are also incredibly sensitive, even ultra-sensitive, especially at the abhorrent treatment in their history. They can become quickly resentful & deeply hurt.
Fittler clearly failed to understand that Mitchell needed to be treated differently, with extra care & consideration.
In any case, any outstanding coach knows that different players require different approaches, different triggers. There is never a “one approach fits all” arrangement.
So in this regard, Fittler has failed Mitchell & it might come back to bite him, especially if Mitchell turns his back on NSW while Fittler remains coach.

Did Gus Gould play a hand in Latrell Mitchell's Origin 2 omission?

“Mitch Marsh must replace Marcus Stoinis”.

My, how the worm has turned! The much maligned Marsh brothers are back in favour?

Mitch Marsh must replace Marcus Stoinis

Ryan,
I don’t know about all this Gould domination stuff. You’re indirectly suggesting Fittler can’t make up his own mind, which might be true in any case!
Last year Fittler made the right decisions for SOO1 & success flowed on from there. This year Fittler made some intriguing decisions for SOO1 & following the loss, appears to have lost his nerve.
I would have gone with a Maloney-Cleary partnership for SOO1, despite their poor club form. There are plenty of examples from the past, of players with poor current club form, but proven rep form, being selected for higher honours & then killing the opposition.
But Fittler made the odd decision to split the partnership by bringing in Walker, who was the form club five-eight. Having made the decision to select Walker for SOO1, Fittler should have stuck by him for SOO2.
Ditto Mitchell, & also Morris. Mitchell was one of NSW’s best last year, & in hot club form. You don’t become lousy after one of two poor games. I think it’s pretty shabby to drop him. Also, Morris was brought in to plug a hole & did it splendidly.
Fittler has now put himself in the odd position, whereby he has to basically bring a new team up to speed together in a very short time. New players alongside each other, & some in unfamiliar positions.
Very odd indeed.
That’s dumb decision making in my book. Of course, Fittler & NSW could fluke a win against the odds on Sunday, but at present, logic says Qld will win SOO2 & the series.

Did Gus Gould play a hand in Latrell Mitchell's Origin 2 omission?

In fact, I disagreed with the decision at the time. I thought GC had lost his marbles, & he later admitted, the pressure of captaincy had worn him out to the point he struggled to think straight.
Historically, Greg replaced his older brother Ian as test captain at a time when test matches & tours were expanding rapidly, & sponsorship came into the test & domestic scene in the mid-70s.
The WSC/establishment civil war was largely in response to this. Players were playing more tests & touring more often, making it harder to hold down a regular job.
But the establishment (ACB) had shown no inclination to boost their remuneration packages. In the 60s for example, Australia played 69 tests for the whole decade. By the 70s this had increased to 83 tests & in the 80s, further still to an even 100 tests.
A similar expansion of tests & tours occurred with rugby, making amateurism more & more unsustainable, until it collapsed in the mid-90s.
The real tragedy is the rift it caused in the Chappell family. Apparently Trevor has refused to speak to Greg now for many, many years.

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

I’m fully awake, thanks. And I am aware of other theories, again thanks.

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

Jameswm,

I would like to see thousands of fans sneak in ‘Behaviour Awareness Officer’ hi-vis vests at the next Docklands match, then pull them out when the game starts. Would be a hoot!

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

PK – correct. Underarm bowling was legal at the time so get over it.

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

soapit – sanctimonious waffle…

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

Neil Back,

So, if there is no God, what is there? The cosmos just happened? Life is random?

If that’s the case, what’s stopping us from behaving like the animal kingdom? Who mostly act only on instinct, with no higher calling.

I’m interested in alternative theories.

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

aussiekiwi – your truth?

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

aussiekiwi,

Seriously, is that your best effort? You are very mentally challenged.

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

That’s my boy!

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

Hell? The bible? Free speech?

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

Jameswm,

If we’re not careful, pretty soon you won’t even be able to say “boo”, as in a quick, scary kind of boo.

In any case, Docklands stadium in Melbourne are now employing Behavioural Awareness Officers to help anyone unsure of what to say, or not to say.

Which is very kind of Docklands stm to provide this assistance.

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

What the…..!

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Spiro, very well said. Allehuja!

No sorry, can’t say that, sorry, sorry…..

The Waratahs' leaders, not Israel Folau, have led to this disastrous season

Hi Mary, I agree with you. Probably what Fittler won’t admit to, is that he got his SOO1 selections wrong.

I can see no other reason for punting Walker & Morris, while Latrell’s sacking appears another knee-jerk reaction.

Last year, Fittler was hailed as being able to walk on water. This year, he might quickly sink to the seabed.

It’s history now, but Walker, Morris & Latrell should all have been persevered with. At least they had one game together behind their belts. Now Fittler has to get new combos going. Strange indeed.

For what it’s worth, I reckon Fittler should have picked Maloney for SOO1. But having gone with Walker, he should have stuck with Walker, at least for one more game.

This is what separates Qld from NSW. They are inclined to “pick & stick”. And more often than not, it works very well for them.

Fittler & his much changed team could still make the great escape in perth. But on the evidence shown, he’s just made it easier for Qld to wrap up the series in SOO2.

Hey Freddy, NSW only lost Game 1 by four points. Wholesale team changes weren't needed

Ralph,

When I played the game back in the stone age, we were told to just play what was in front of us. Obviously, a bit more developed than that, but basically that was it.

Miss a tackle or drop a pass, get back in the game, learn the lesson & carry on. There wasn’t any need for rocket science. Rugby, broken down to its core elements, is a simple game of sound adherence to basics.

What’s next, are we going to borrow the Behavioural Awareness Officers from Docklands Stadium in Melbourne?

I can just see them singing in Melbourne next week at AFL games:

“BAO, bay-ay-ay-ayoooo, daylight come & me wanna go home. Come mister Bao man, tally me my profanities. Daylight come & me wanna go home”.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Charlie Turner,

For Twiggy, it’s not about the money. Firstly, he would want to see how the $50 million was spent before offering $100 million. Wise decision making.

Also, he would want to see what kind of relationship he could foster with Qantas RA before offering more money. At present, they’re dills.

Very sensible on his part. I guess that’s partly why he became a billionaire.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Ralph,

I can agree with most of what you say. If it was me who was the billionaire, I would want some guarantee, or indication, the money would be spent wisely in a fashion to my liking.

I might even specify X amount goes to grassroots, etc, & none goes to employing extra people in HO, unless there is a requirement maybe for field development officers.

In which case, I would expect them to come back to me. Perfectly legitimate concerns.

Also, Twiggy comes across as a reasonably decent guy, as far as tycoons seem to go.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Yes Geoff,

Yes, yes, yes, we all want solutions.

Twiggy is entitled to “conditions”, which I doubt would have been seen as insurmountable.

Qantas RA is hardly in a position to bargain, is it?

Dumb is as dumb does, & dumb is dumb gets.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Good morning Geoff,

The one observation I would make at this point is that Australian rugby is getting precisely what it deserves, from the very top to the bottom.

Culling the Force was a great idea, wasn’t it? Not.

Slamming the door in Twiggy Forrest’s face when he was offering financial support was a great idea, wasn’t it? Not.

Failing to spread & develop the game nationally until professionalism (1996) arrived was a great idea, wasn’t it? Not.

Retaining rugby as a mostly private schools preserve was a great idea, wasn’t it? Not.

The game is paying for its sins (there’s that biblical word), present & past. And it has only itself to blame. If you read the history of Australian rugby, there are lots of ugly periods, much like the national history.

Despite some occasional outbreaks of wonderful sunshine (1929/30, 1934, 1963, 1984-86, 1991-93 & 1998-2001) its mostly been a bleak history.

The best part of Australian rugby has been the story of some of its players, great men in society as well as rugby. But the story of teams has always been disjointed & lacking in continuity.

Yep, Australian rugby deserves everything coming its way. And no strong, visionary men to pull it together, in site.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Paulo,
I’m not making this about Folau. I’m drawing a comparison about human reaction, which I can and will do.
Ponga has already stated if he went to union, it would be to chase the black jersey.
Players are voting with their feet, they’re leaving the joint.
Which should tell you what they think of QRA and Australian rugby.

A Kalyn Ponga code-switch would haunt the Wallabies, not help them

I find one remarkable connection between Kalyn Ponga and Israel Lolau.
It’s to do with how the loud minority make so much noise while the silent majority go about their daily business.
A small but vocal minority in the NRL have taken umbrage at RA’s futile attempt to entice Ponga to Australian rugby.
Similarly, a small but vocal minority took offence at Folau quoting from a bible but otherwise not engaging in hate speech.
Meanwhile, the silent majority thought, “try your best” and went about their normal business.

A Kalyn Ponga code-switch would haunt the Wallabies, not help them

Piru,

Apology accepted. Sigh, I have to deal with so many dills on this site & so little time to deal with them!

'You're damaging the game': Rod Kafer blasts Israel Folau