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One method is to just allow the defender to just collapse the maul (which originated from a lineout). A really dominant mauling team will just shift the ball and keep going; but it will stop sides scoring unless they are really dominant. The injury risk would be mitigated by the fact that really large, well set rucks, with a dozen players or more just won’t be able to form.

Another method is to require the scoring player to be completely detached from the maul (which originated from a lineout) and not touching the maul, at all. If they are not fully detached, or they are touching the maul (or say a defending player grabs their jersey while diving) they are offside – penalty.

Though we are unlikely to see any change to the rules to de-weaponize the maul (which originated from a lineout) while it is a key scoring method for the likes of the Springboks and more importantly England.

Use it? Lose it! A simple way to fix rugby's much-maligned maul

One method to even it up is to prohibit backs from joining a maul which originated from a lineout.

Use it? Lose it! A simple way to fix rugby's much-maligned maul

Agree two stoppages, then use it. “When a maul has stopped moving towards a goal line, it may restart moving towards a goal line providing it does so within five seconds. If it stops a second time but the ball is being moved and the referee can see it, the referee instructs the team to use the ball. The team in possession must then use the ball in a reasonable time. Sanction: Scrum.“.

Use it? Lose it! A simple way to fix rugby's much-maligned maul

For years Super Rugby was played in January and February. Summer months.

World Rugby explores option of making RWC a biennial event

An alternative could be. Top four from the Six Nations, and the Rugby Championship countries. Two, mixed pools of four; counter seeded e.g. pool one: Winner SN, runner up RC, third SN, last RC; alternative seeding for other pool.

Pool games Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday. Quarter Finals, the winners play off for positions: 1, 2, 3, 4 via Semi Final, 3-4 playoff, Final. Quarter Final losers play off for: 5, 6, 7, 8. Loser Semi Final, Loser 3-4 playoff, Loser Final; four weekends, one Wednesday of premium rugby.

Or same eight teams. Knock out tournament. Week one: SN 1 v RC 4, RC 1 v SN 4, SN 2 v RC 3, RC 2 b SN 3. Week two: winner of the 1-4 games v winner of 2-3 games, then two more games. Or random seed e.g. FA cup. Four weekends of premium rugby.

Run similar tournaments for the next eight best teams if viable.

World Rugby explores option of making RWC a biennial event

Rugby was a winter sport. The Southern Hemisphere have played summer rugby since 1996. I assume that if the north played rugby in the summer/autumn or spring/summer that would provide something to watch during, at least part of, the soccer off season? The Southern Hemisphere can go back to winter/spring or autumn/winter.

World Rugby explores option of making RWC a biennial event

In a way it is a badge of honor that to be the team that people hate to lose to. Take any advantage. An emotional/angry/worried opponent is an opponent that is not thinking clearly.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

The problem with good losers is that they become ok with losing. The problem is being a bad loser, or a bad winner.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

Why play to your strengths when you can play to all the strengths? Why limit yourself when you have an outrageous amount of talent? It hasn’t worked long term since before apartheid ended.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

If the Springboks want long term dominance they need to embrace a more balanced game. The current rules are similar to how they were in 2009. The Springboks beat the All Blacks three – nil. But in 2010 the All Blacks adjusted an won three – nil. I’m not sure the Springboks have had a positive yearly win loss ration against the All Blacks since 2009? Though they definitely could beat the All Blacks two – nil this year.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

Kicking stats are not the be all and end all. The All Blacks kick – a lot. But they also have the best counter attack and long range try scoring skills in rugby. They key is to take/make opptuinities.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

The clear point I made was that a limited style of play allows an opponent, who is not as good on the day, to win a game they shouldn’t. I was making the point that the All Blacks aren’t always the better team on the pitch, they just take their opptuinities better. The All Blacks have beaten the Springboks in situations where they shouldn’t have. Just ask John Smit if he agrees (saw a replay of that 2010 game recently, can’t believe the officials missed the forward pass in the lead up to McCaw’s try).
It is easy to cherry pick results from short periods which have rules which favor particular styles of play. Also the period you mention is like two and a half years (and the 2019 Rugby Championship was shortened as it was a RWC year). That period also includes World Cup pool games.
Taking a wider view from 1992 to YTD (picked because of: neutral referees, the All Blacks allowed to play their best team – remove the years the Springboks couldn’t if you want, I’m not sure which years they cover – , and the All Blacks playing 15 man rugby almost exclusively in that period) there were 62 games between the All Blacks and Springboks (according to Wikipedia – so take it with a grain of salt). The All Blacks won 44 -16 (two draws), 70% wins. It’s pretty hard not to come to the conclusion that 15 man rugby beats 10 man rugby. As stated the All Blacks wouldn’t have won all those games, but their wider skill set allowed them to win games they shouldn’t.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

Thanks. Look forward to seeing the Springboks continue moving in that direction. Even if it means they beat the All Blacks. Rugby needs complete teams with all the skills. Not many teams have the players and rugby culture to achieve that.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

England are the perennial team that everybody hates to see win.

“Woodward says: ‘I genuinely believe – and I’ve got to be careful what I say – that the other 19 countries do not want England to win this World Cup.’ He’s not wrong. Andrew Mehrtens, until recently the All Blacks fly-half, says: ‘They’re pricks to lose to.’ When asked who they would want to win the World Cup if Australia didn’t, the Wallaby captain George Gregan and his team-mate Joe Roff agreed: ‘Anyone but England.’ Woodward responds: ‘It’s every country. We could list a whole load of quotes from French people, and Scottish and Welsh and Irish. It’s just something to do with being English. Now, I’m not going to change that. What you’ve got to do is feed off it, thrive on it and enjoy it.”

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

I think Erasmus is 100% self aware. He is just a manipulative a*sehole.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

The All Blacks scoring some tries from mauls is the All Blacks broadening the methods they score tries from. Yes a decent amount of the All Black maul tries occurred when they ran out of ideas against Fiji; it would’ve been better, for the development of the All Blacks, if they didn’t play a team with an obvious flaw in their game. But looking at the other tries in the 2021 highlight reel, can the Springboks really say they would’ve scored in each situation if given the same opportunity? They would’ve scored the intercepts, they are past masters at that. But for instance the first try that Jacobson scored (after Beauden Barrett parted the blue sea), could South Africa score that try with 10 attempts (without 25 phases)? That’s the benefit of an all round game. You can take advantage of the opportunities on offer, not wait for the one or two types of opportunities that you can exploit.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

I applaud you for providing some stats. Of the 75% of tries scored by the backs how many were backs joining a rolling maul, or bashing over from less than five meters out 10+ phases after a set piece which originated close to the goal line. The point I’m getting at is are most Springbok tries the result of trench warfare rugby? Are the Springboks just playing a better version of Warrenball?

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

Geez Rassie will post a photo of a hippo in a 747, mid flight, if he reads your comment.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

The All Blacks are the team that generally wins. It doesn’t necessarily mean they are the best team. I’ve watched the All Blacks get outplayed many times but somehow pull out a win with one or two utterly brilliant sections of play. If: South Africa, England and Ireland developed more of a balanced, 15 man, game they would beat the All Blacks far more often. Because the All Blacks can score from anywhere they always have a punchers chance. South Africa, England and Ireland are like the boxers who box for points, not for knock downs/knockouts.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

Yes. Lots of intercepts tries for the All Blacks lately. But the difference between an intercept and an intercept try is a team well drilled in running the ball from unstructured situations, and one willing to take the risk. It’s easy to hoof the ball downfield once you get an intercept. Running it back for seven points is another thing entirely.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

Maybe Kim Hughes or Steve Smith, poor buggers.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

What I see a lot of is people thinking they should have more variety in attack. What I do want to see more of (and this is where I agree with people), is the Boks noticing when it’s time to pull the trigger and run and pass the ball. And I want to see them do that efficiently.
Agree 100%, not angry just disappointed.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

The Brumbies style of game is seriously hurting the Wallabies. I remember in the late 1990’s/early 2000’s the names: Finegan, Smith, Gregan, Larkham, Roff (even Mortlock) used to be names I didn’t want hear shouted by Greg Clark; it always meant trouble.
The Brumbies practically invented modern forward phase play. Before them the eight forwards had to be so close together you could throw a blanket on them. There would be no 1-3-3-1 without first having pods.
Rugby Australia should have the final say as to who the Super Rugby coaches are. When you have so few tier two teams Rugby Australia can’t mess around with styles of rugby that will never work for the Wallabies.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

Agree the Springboks waste their outside back talent. I maintain that Bryan Habana would’ve scored at least 100 tries if he was an All Black.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

Scorn is not a nice word, but it is no the the same as hate.
Scorn: ‘a feeling and expression of contempt or disdain for someone or something.’
Hate: ‘feel intense dislike for.’
I often hear the British complain that they don’t have the athletic players to play a more expansive 15 man game. The Springboks could easily develop such a game, while not abandoning their traditional strengths; but they choose not to. The All Blacks were boring as anything in 1991 and they rightly lost the RWC to Australia. By 1995 the All Blacks were setting the standard for the optimal style of play (though they needed to work on their nutrition a bit 😔). The Springboks are like the naturally smart student who doesn’t study; not even trying to make the best of your opportunities can draw scorn. Sure the Springboks do, at times, dominate the rugby word, but that normally coincides with favorable rules e.g. kick and chase + lots of penalties at the ruck (2009), the current rules favor a slow power based game and the defender at the ruck. The recent amount of dire games will result in the rules being changed to favor flowing rugby again; it’s the only real way to grow the game.
If the Springboks had a more complete game they would’ve easily beaten the Wallabies on the weekend. It would also do the rugby world a favor by producing a more viewer friendly game.

Why I don't understand the Springboks hate

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