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North Sydney Bears has 8 district clubs and 16 clubs on the Central Coast. You might be right about the current demographic, but it’s negative thinking to suggest Manly can’t make in imprint on the area. Nobody thought the Storm would work in Melbourne. Success comes from imaginative thinking and risk taking. I formulated my ‘opinions’ using quotes from Scott Penn, Greg Florimo and Brad Fittler.

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

Sorry that’s CC and North Sydney combined… read that stat on Central Coast Bears Wikipedia

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

Gday KiwiBear, I’m a proud and distraught Cowboys fan actually 😢 I’m not sure why Manly weren’t more proactive about my idea 10-15 years ago. You’re right though, the Bears ‘brand’ was all but dead in buried at NRL level in 1999. The Bears still exist, they still have a club in reserve grade, financed by Norths Leagues and still have a few thousand members. But the only way they’d ever receive an NRL license based on the North Shore, would be at the expense of Manly. So from an NRL level perspective, Bears territory is vacated. I don’t see anything wrong with Manly competing for corporate backing in these areas, because as an NRL licensed club, sponsors would gain more exposure. The Sea Eagles brand would definitely be on the nose for some, but after 20 years, there’s an entire young generation of fans who’d have no emotional connection with the Bears. My ideas wouldn’t mean instant success, it would take years of commitment, much like rugby league moving into Melbourne, AFL heartland and years later they have 25,000 members and are the second most supported club in the comp, according to Roy Morgan. As far as your opinion regarding clubs taking games to the CC, it’s merely your opinion, but when clubs take games there, the locals are still showing up to watch rugby league. The Bears can try the CC again, but there’s nothing offensive about clubs leaving a footprint on the CC by taking a game away from their own home fans. Chooks have provided pathways for kids in a few of their schools and junior clubs. Manly can do the same. But this conversation is me saying “yes they can” and you saying “no they cant”. But Manly need to do more for long term sustainability. They have among the worst membership numbers and crowd numbers in the comp for the past half-dozen years at least. Being imaginative and thinking outside the square (or outside the northern beaches) is logical, IMO.

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

Ethan dude, let me give you some advice, IGNORE SAID KEYBOARD WARRIORS! The internet is a haven for people like terrance to show their true colours as to the type of person they are, but if you’re prepared to put your name out there and express your opinion, then you need to prepare for people like terrance to jump on the internet to try and hurt your feelings lol seriously though, he’s dangling the bait and you keep biting at it.

Back to the subject at hand, the 1.5 million figure is a direct quote from Bears CEO Greg Florimo on Macquarie sports radio, Sept 2018, his maths when it comes to the 3 districts combined. I also used a quote from Manly owner Scott Penn, who told AAP, March 2019, his club represents over a million people in their catchment area.

Sure I could have googled, but decided to take a shortcut and use the estimated population number quoted by 2 qualified people lol

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

Ethan dude, let me give you some advice, IGNORE THE TROLLS! The internet is a haven for people like terrance to show their true colours as to the type of person they are, but if you’re prepared to put your name out there and express your opinion, then you need to prepare for people like terrance to jump on the internet to try and hurt your feelings lol seriously though, he’s dangling the bait and you keep biting at it.

Back to the subject at hand, the 1.5 million figure is a direct quote from Bears CEO Greg Florimo on Macquarie sports radio, Sept 2018, his maths when it comes to the 3 districts combined. I also used a quote from Manly owner Scott Penn, who told AAP, March 2019, his club represents over a million people in their catchment area.

Sure I could have googled, but decided to take a shortcut and use the estimated population number quoted by 2 qualified people lol

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

Terrence, thanks for the advice but I did say “I’ll have to check” and it’s just the comments section, but you’re right, I should never never ever assume lol but your reply offered nothing factual nor a counter claim proving my assumption wrong. I’m interested to know the correct answer to the original question though…?

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

The Northern Eagles tried the half-half Gosford and Brookvale, but the Central Coast folk lost interest after a while and stopped showing up, but admittedly the merger club was very poorly run. Such a beautiful stadium seemingly going to waste, apart from the Hunter Mariners during summer. Not sure if the area is a growth area that could sustain an NRL club for long term success. Would definitely like to see more games taken up there though, via Manly, Chooks, Bunnies…

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

The Central Coast has 23 clubs and about 5000 juniors which most NSW based clubs are cherry picking from.

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

Redcliffe are leading the race to be the second ‘Brisbane’ license because they have a great club with a huge cash cow of a leagues club, but Redcliffe itself is too small so they’d need to dip their hands into Brisbane and leave their footprint and take ownership of the Sunny Coast as well

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

I struggle to see whats in it for the Bears if they merged with Manly again, if they don’t play games out of North Sydney Oval which as you point out, a nice ground but isn’t exactly NRL standard these days. Bears still have a presence in reserve grade, I don’t see how they return to the top grade after they’ve been knocked back twice now with the CC and GC.

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

I assume the NRL would own each clubs IP, as well as emblems and colours, as they own the licenses. I remember this being an issue during the super league war, so if a breakaway comp was formed, the Broncos could walk away to play for another comp, but they can’t play as the Brisbane Broncos, they’d need to change their name and emblem. I’m not sure if this is still the case though, I’ll have to check. The Penn family owns the footy club and leagues club

Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive

Last year when the Raiders flopped out, Ricky went on record and publicly accepted responsibility and humbly admitted that not only did his team need to improve, but he himself needed to improve as a coach, and look at them now. I think it’s time for Greeny to have that same brutal self assessment and honesty session with himself.

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

It was a complete abomination of a game

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

Cows making the finals is improbable but not impossible. The last team to make the finals from their position was the 2013 Cowboys which won their last 6 to finish 8th.

North Queensland Cowboys vs Brisbane Broncos: NRL Thursday night forecast

When you watch the Storm play and compare several areas with what the Cowboys are doing, it’s perplexing as to why Green isn’t applying, or at least try to apply the same standards. The Storm do play with a lot of depth in their attack and when they’re on a roll, they look so fast and slick whereas the Cows are always looking too flat, too slow and too predictable.

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

I agree with most of your points. Although I think Morgan’s rise to first grade can be attributed to Neil Henry as he brought him up through developmental and gave him his debut in 2010. The Walker brothers will no longer be together as Ben Walker is retiring at the end of the season. Although if the Cows come knocking, he wouldn’t stay in retirement for long but I think NRL opportunities for them have now past. Cotter is only on a development contract, Green had to seek an exemption from the NRL to pick him when Baptist went down with an ACL. I think if the Cows lose tonight against the Broncos, their season is ‘officially’ over and Cotter might get another run to give him more experience for next year.

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

That made me giggle. I’ll pay that one!

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

Depends if he still holds a grudge… he applied for the Cowboys job but they chose Green over him.

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

Tazz the problem they have is they re-signed him April last year to a reported rich deal until the end of 2021. Making that 2017 GF and re-signing before the cracks appeared was a godsend for Green

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

Ok, well I understand you’re entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

Jason Demetriou, who was Green’s assistant in 2015 so he knows the club and is currently serving his apprenticeship under Bennett or Adam O’Brien who was part of the Storm system under Bellamy and currently assistant to Trent Robinson at the Chooks. They’d be my choices.

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

Hi Rob, it’s a results driven business so when a coach is no longer producing results, that’s when they should come under question, that’s my opinion anyway. That’s why I made the McGuire/Souths comparison. Souths stopped winning, they changed coaches and started winning again. Sounds simple enough. This obviously doesn’t apply to Mary and the Dragons though but it should, same with Greeny. Good comparison with the storm. They’ve always gone through transition phases and what does the media say every year? This will be the season where they fall back into the pack? Yet they still finish top 4 and make grand finals while “transitioning”.

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

I watch every game and I don’t think they’ve tried that trick-shot kick from Granville to Morgan since. From memory each time they attempted it, it resulted in Morgan scoring. No idea why they’ve scrapped that play.

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

Bellamy is an anomaly. He knows how to reinvent himself and evolve his structures to not only keep with the times, but to stay ahead of the rest of the comp.

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways

They extended the contracts to their premierships players but some of those contract extensions were too long and cost too much. Their retention policy seemingly didn’t include planning for the future. So a lot of young talent left the club to pursue opportunities elsewhere.

Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways