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Patterson just knocked a second century for the match. If he’s not on the selectors radar now, he never will be.

Patterson ton versus Sri Lanka upstages Test rivals

Head is almost certainly going to be on the plane barring an absolute shocker of a series against Sri Lanka. I really feel they view him as the next captain once Paine is done, so they’ll want him to get as many tests under the belt as possible.

Patterson ton versus Sri Lanka upstages Test rivals

jameswm,

As Patterson bats at first drop, would he perhaps suit 4 better than 5? Smith can basically bat anywhere, so it probably doesn’t matter if he’s at four or five?

other than that, the line up looks better than any line up this summer (ignoring the obvious fact that it contains Smith and Warner).

Patterson ton versus Sri Lanka upstages Test rivals

I’m not sure what your point is? Are you just pointing out the double standards between S Marsh and Maxwell?

S Marsh has frequently been selected under different criteria compared to most batsmen – I don’t think many would argue with that. Though there have been moments when S Marsh was actually in great FC form when he was selected.

Maxwell’s exclusion after that century in India has baffled everyone to this day.

Patterson ton versus Sri Lanka upstages Test rivals

Freakish how similar their careers are…

Patterson ton versus Sri Lanka upstages Test rivals

You’d think so, but as I said, the selectors really seem to like centuries. It’s all we ever hear about Maxwell – he needs to hit centuries. The classic example was last summer when Maxi did actually play a few FC games, and he did fine, but he didn’t hit that magical century until after the series had kicked off…

Patterson ton versus Sri Lanka upstages Test rivals

Spot on Don. Hopefully he backs it up with more centuries in the second half of the Shield. He’ll be on the selectors Ashes radar now – just has to do what other recent players have done and grab the opportunity with a well timed century or two.

Patterson ton versus Sri Lanka upstages Test rivals

The selectors have certainly favoured centuries over averages for a few years now. Several recent selections have been based on giant knocks right before selection, rather than sustained performance resulting in good FC averages.

Take Harris this year, yes he scored lots of runs, by virtue of batting a lot, in the two previous seasons, but I understand he still only averaged 41 and 42 in those seasons. Yet here’s Patterson averaged 45 and above three out of the last four… but Harris scores a big century right before the selection and he’s in (to be clear I’m not knocking his selection and I know they play different positions). Then the season before, Bancroft, who has a FC average under 40, hits some giant scores in a few games right before selection, and he’s in, despite a modest career to that point.

In fact, you have to be fair to the selectors for once, they have been very clear about this – hit centuries and you’ll be noticed (it’s just not a great selection method without further criteria, such as also score some runs in between those random centuries).

I don’t know if Patterson has what it takes to match his FC average at test level, but I’d much prefer a guy who consistently scores 41 innings after innings at test level, than a guy who scores 180, followed by a series of single digits scores, even if their average is also 41.

Patterson ton versus Sri Lanka upstages Test rivals

Has retired from all international cricket…

The Australian ODI team needs an all-rounder at No.8

The problem with Faulkner is that his bowling seemed to be found out by the time he was dropped. I don’t know if he’s made enough changes, but he was a liability as a front line bowler last time he was selected. His batting also seemed to drop off a cliff – hey played 17 games in 2016, batting 12 times but averaged 17 and only went at a strike rate of 80. Not exactly top shelf stuff. He didn’t even play this JLT Cup from memory… I don’t think we can go back to Faulkner.

I don’t think Neser hits em hard enough to fulfill the role we actually want out of our number 8.

Agar strikes much closer to 100 in List A cricket than Neser, so he’s much more likely to get the job done at number 8. His bowling at ODI level hasn’t set the world on fire, but his List A record suggests he can get a job done – just not as the front line spinner. Plus Agar’s fielding is top shelf.

The Australian ODI team needs an all-rounder at No.8

You have to be careful with batting averages in ODI cricket – they’re not as representative as they are in test cricket. There is no way Stoinis with a batting average in the 40s, is as good as Shane Watson (for example). It’s just that Stoinis gets to enjoy plenty of not outs at the end of the innings and Watson gets to enjoy basically none.

Faulkner is a great example of a deceptive batting average – he was averaging in the 40s after his first two years or so in the team, because he was benefiting from coming in behind a good line up and getting plenty of not outs. As the team declined and he was forced to do more batting, his average dropped off quickly.

Maxwell and Khawaja don’t play the same type of game, so I don’t think you can compare them. If Khawaja got a decent run in the side, based on his List A performances, he’d likely average closer to 40 (compared to Maxi’s 32), but he’ll never strike them like Maxwell.

The Australian ODI team needs an all-rounder at No.8

There is almost no bowling unit in ODI cricket that is routinely capable of defending 300 in the modern game (against good sides). Maybe Ronan has some stats on this though…

The Australian ODI team needs an all-rounder at No.8

The key difference I’ve noticed this year, though it’s been building for a few years, is that I’m watching fewer and fewer games that don’t involve the Heat. In fact this year I’ve probably barely watched a handful of games that don’t involve the Heat. So from that perspective I don’t really mind how long the season is, because I’m not watching it every night any more.

But I do think it’s upset the structure of the summer. But it is not the only cause of the disjointed summer. CA could schedule a much better summer without doing much, if anything at all, to the BBL.

Yes, the BBL is slightly long. But does it matter?

One off games against weakish touring sides are obviously not the greatest indicators of anything, but it’ll be interesting if Patterson and to a lesser degree Sangha out perform Renshaw and Pucovski (and I guess Burns too). The selectors seem enamoured by centuries, as opposed to batting averages, so Patterson will do his Ashes chances wonders if he can score a ton (especially after he got one recently in the Shield).

It’s great to see Australia fielding a very strong side for Sri Lanka to play. Four guys with test experience and all of them at proper FC level means the Sri Lankan’s should get a proper hit out.

Australia's batting future on show in Hobart today

No I didn’t, I also witnessed the years of mediocre 30s and no wickets. I didn’t say he wasn’t a decent enough cricketer – I said he didn’t reach the same level as his ODI career (one of the greats). Try reading closely.

There are two vastly different Shaun Marshes playing for Australia

You do know it’s tongue-in-cheek and actually mocking the fans, not the players right?

It’s just a bit of fun Don.

The Liebke Ratings: Australia vs India, second ODI

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either you want Maxwell hitting out in the last few overs – and this was literally the second or third last over – or you don’t. I can’t see how he failed in match awareness at that point.

Now there’s an argument to be had that Marsh perhaps should have pulled things back once Maxwell was gone, knowing there was no batting to come, but it’s a big call to make on the guy at that point in the innings. Say the shots come off and he takes us all the way to 320?

It’s a fine line between being a hero and a villain.

India square the ledger but Aussies go down fighting in ODI thriller

Sorry jameswm, I had a mental blank when I wrote that. Probably because I haven’t seen Agar bowl in so long (hint hint selectors).

India square the ledger but Aussies go down fighting in ODI thriller

You really can’t blame Marsh for yesterday. He was the anchor and was also able to up the ante at the end there. He scored at more than a run a ball in the end and made the most of his start; that is literally what you want from your “anchor” batsman. Kohli scored slower – why no criticism of him?

The issue is we had yet another slow, poor start due to our key opener failing and Stoinis, who is meant to be a “hitter”, only scored 29 off 36, so less than a run a ball. Plus without any hitting at numbers 8 and 9, the final over and a half were wasted.

Marsh did everything that was needed yesterday.

There are two vastly different Shaun Marshes playing for Australia

Our starts have been terrible. We’re struggling to be 60 by the 15 over mark – that is what they used to do back in the ’90s. With the fields up, you really should be pushing for 60 after the first 10, with the new ball and the field up.

There are two vastly different Shaun Marshes playing for Australia

Australia was at least thirty runs short. The commentators notes how low the average scores were over the last whatever period at the ground, but then commented that the wicket looked like a belter and the outfield was fast.

Australia circa 2015 would have hit 330 at least on that wicket.

One big issue is not having a proper number eight that can hit out and the fact that Stoinis is starting so slow.

India square the ledger but Aussies go down fighting in ODI thriller

This is the problem with having such a selection shambles year on year, we’re weeks away from a major tournament, with about 10 to 12 games left, and we haven’t even got a clue about what our starting line up looks like. It’s just bizarre to think that Zampa and Agar are not playing right now, but seem far more likely to not just play in England, but potentially be crucial (due to the apparent importance of spin).

India square the ledger but Aussies go down fighting in ODI thriller

Yeah you don’t feel Lyon is cementing his place. Mind you that was a lovely cameo at the end of the innings!

It’s a shame that Lyon and Agar spin the ball the same way, because they’re both excellent fielders and better (especially in Agar’s case) batsmen than our leg spinning options. Or at least Lyon’s batting seems to have become a lot better than any of our leg spinning options.

India square the ledger but Aussies go down fighting in ODI thriller

Thankfully for Shaun he’s scored 10 50s in Tests, not 1 – should get the editors onto that David!

Hard to say exactly why Marsh is so different depending on the colour of the ball. But he’s certainly not Robinson Crusoe in that department. Shane Watson is arguably one of Australia’s finest ODI players, but never reached the same heights in test cricket. Mark Waugh was another that dominated ODI cricket far more than test cricket. And then there are plenty of players that go the other way. I suppose it’s the little differences; wickets are a bit flatter in ODIs generally, fielding restrictions, over restrictions on bowlers etc. And that’s before you get into the mental side of things (arguably individual ODIs are less meaningful than tests etc).

There are two vastly different Shaun Marshes playing for Australia

Top stuff Dan.

I’m surprised you ranked Shaun so low – remember, he only scores ODI centuries when Australia loses. What more were you expecting from him? Harsh stuff.

The Liebke Ratings: Australia vs India, second ODI