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I’d imagine you’re saying those reserve graders would be the 13 players that make up the balance outside the 17 match day line-up under the current squad size of 30. 30 squad size – 17 match day line-up = 13 reserves, therefore, a surplus.

Whereas having a squad size of 17 means those 13 reserves could be playing for an Adelaide or Perth or somewhere else the NRL sees the game needs exposure or strengthening.

If you’re suggestion there’s too much of a gap between 1st grade and the rest then that’s the NRL fault but at least everybody would be in the same boat.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

I’m not going on a philosophical journey and point examples of the number of examples people thought were dumb that turned into gems and I’m not saying reducing the squad size is a gem either.

It would though mean that a reduction in squad size would expand the game with opportunities elsewhere making the game strong and stop the hogging of players. Injuries, suspensions, loss of good form do occur, and that’s what the clubs juniors and or feeder teams are for to fill vacancies and give players coming through their time show themselves.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

There’s only one Australia, there’s only one New South Wales, there’s only one Queensland, there’s only one Victoria, there’s only one Tasmania, there’s only one South Australia, there’s only one Western Australia, there’s only one Northern Territory, there’s only one Australian Capital Territory.

There’s only one Cronulla, there’s only one Canterbury, there’s only one Parramatta, there’s only one Penrith, there’s only one Souths, there’s only one Easts, there’s only one Manly, there’s only one Wests, there’s only one Saints. There all that is classed as Sydney.

And so I think there should be one Sydney team as there is one Brisbane, one Melbourne, one Newcastle, one Canberra, one Townsville, one Gold Coast, one Auckland. As they appear on the news on the weather map when they show the weather for capital cities.

The selection of the Sydney team would probably be no different to what the rest of the NRL clubs do.

I personally would like to see a maximum squad size of 17, starting-line up + bench, and the majority of those players have played in the area for say a minimum of three years which then qualifies them as a local.

The 17 player squad size reduced from the current 30 would encourage local content and the development of local content whilst allowing talent from outside the area to participate and earn their sports citizenship for the area.

Reducing the number of teams in Sydney and reducing the squad size to 17 frees players to pursue clubs elsewhere, Adelaide and Perth for example.

I live in Sydney and feel a united Sydney is a strong Sydney.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

Wasn’t that a red card offence by the goalkeeper being the last line of defence? Isn’t a deliberate trip a red card? Or have the rules changed? Adelaide won the match 2-1 and congratulations. One team one city and a smaller population than Sydney. Enjoy.

Adelaide's defensive shocker allows Sydney FC to equalise

Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and long weekends does me as well.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

I guess it depends on the intended purpose.

Expansion example, if it’s to wait for places like Adelaide and Perth to grow to a criteria that suits the NRL that’s OK.

Cutting the 30 player squad size to say 17, starting line-up + bench, frees players to pursue clubs elsewhere, Adelaide and Perth for example.

Reducing the number of Sydney teams is another way.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

Former chairman of the English FA, Greg Dyke, said in 2015:

“First, we want to raise the existing requirements on homegrown players in Premier League squads, so that by 2020, 12 of a 25-man squad will be homegrown, rather than the eight it is today”

and

“Second, we think we should close the loophole in the existing definition, so that in the future homegrown means homegrown. Players will have to have played three seasons with English clubs.”

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

I guess it’s comparing an apartment building where people live close to each other in a congested environment, England, to a property with a house and land and a buffer zone between people, Australia.

There are smaller countries than England and bigger countries than Australia that play rugby league.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

Think his salary is around 2 million dollars. Not bad for somebody who already is a millionaire and if he is indeed a lunatic. And off course you’d have sources quoting him as a lunatic.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

I like the idea of weekday senior football and weekends free for juniors because kids go to school weekdays. It’s already a crowded sports market place weekends. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday does me.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

Hope things are going well for you in Melbourne.

I lived in the Illawarra when the Steelers entered 1982 and supported them and moved to St George before the merger.

It wouldn’t worry me if there was one Sydney team representing Sydney and St George and Illawarra played in a Sydney competition or NSW competition.

It’s sport and sport is meant to be fun and there’s a team for everybody.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

The NRL is a representative league to the extent it’s allocated regions which clubs can develop and have an exclusive franchise. That’s their license.

I just think if that’s the way Sydney teams feel then that’s OK. If cannibalism is what they want they can have it.

I personally am outward looking and like the greater distance between me and my competitor. I want an uncongested lifestyle. Therefore more peace not war. Call it a buffer zone.

But like the invention of the car, people have moved on from the horse and cart and for a national competition there are too many Sydney teams and the exclusion of capital cities such as Perth and Adelaide reduces its credibility as a national competition.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

I didn’t imagine the post would attract this much attention. I think I may have wasted my time but I’ve had fun so thanks for your views and comments.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

The Barry
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October 29th 2018 @ 5:06pm

Wrote,

Posted my reply but got a technical problem so see if this works.

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I look at it this way,

Front end and back end contracts, bonus for this bonus for that, discount for this discount for that, rebate for

this and rebate for that, fee for this and fee for that…

or,

that player gets a 9 out of 10 performance rating every week and the best in the league.

I see player performance not financial accounts therefore a players status is the criteria from the balance the match perspective.

It could be as simple as, for example, a club is allowed a maximum of three senior and three junior
representative players they can buy from outside the club and be able to keep an unlimited number of representative players they have developed at the club.

It would mean players being rated, graded, and given a status which is the asset test whereas the salary cap is the income test.

How do the asset and income tests differ? The asset test is not as easy to cheat. Everybody can see who the best performers are through ratings, awards, selections. Nobody can hide a player. Whereas income, it’s like chasing shadows and easy to hide.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

I look at it this way The Barry,

Front end and back end contracts, bonus for this bonus for that, discount for this discount for that, rebate for this and rebate for that, fee for this and fee for that…

or,

that player gets a 9 out of 10 performance rating every week and the best in the league.

I see player performance not financial accounts therefore a players status is the criteria from the balance the match perspective.

It could be as simple as, for example, a club is allowed a maximum of three senior and three junior representative players they can buy from outside the club and be able to keep an unlimited number of representative players they have developed at the club.

It would mean players being rated, graded, and given a status which is the asset test whereas the salary cap is the income test.

How do the asset and income tests differ? The asset test is not as easy to cheat. Everybody can see who the best performers are through ratings, awards, selections. Nobody can hide a player. Whereas income, it’s like chasing shadows and easy to hide.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

Edward,

If you seriously like the idea, and that’s all it is an idea, you would have your own answers to your questions. It’s a matter of getting a minimum consensus to start with and going from there.

I’d like to hear your answers and as for mine,

1. Sydney
2. Let the creative department think about that
3. I’m outward looking and believe people support their city, state, and national representative players and teams. We look inward to elevate those type of players and it works to have Townsville, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Canberra, Melbourne, Auckland… Sydney would work as well
4. It could be any number of stadiums or one. Maybe make use of the existing Sydney stadiums from feeder teams and take the game to the people like the olympic torch is relayed. If there was to be one I guess it might be the Olympic Stadium but I’m not fussed. Look at the area of Melbourne or Brisbane and how did they arrive at their answer.
5. I wrote “Player selection could be similar to the way the City team was selected”. The word being could. I don’t think it’s a restriction of movement but if the house is full, be it an import rule to guarantee the survival of local content or salary cap, then there’s no room for the player at that club.

It’s not something I’ve thought in detail but every journey starts with a step.

By the time lawyers and accountants and player managers get their hands on a proposal, I’m confident the main idea would be trashed. It’s a mafia driven business as all sports in the hands of corporations are.

That’s life.

Though sometimes life throws and lands a beautiful object in the back seat of our car and we take it for a drive 🙂

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

Extend the role play situation in the training example to the league and could be as simple as saying a club for example, can have a maximum of three senior and three junior representative players bought from outside the club, and can keep an unlimited number of junior and senior representative players it develops. It’s a matter of grading players through an asset test rather than an income test.

I look at it this way,

Front end and back end contracts, bonus for this bonus for that, discount for this discount for that, rebate for this and rebate for that, fee for this and fee for that… or, that player gets a 9 out of 10 performance rating every week and the best in the league.

I see player performance not financial accounts therefore a players status is the criteria. It’s a test that’s not easy to cheat.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

Well, the Australian representative team when it represents Australia at the Olympics or World Cups. We support them however disgruntled or at least have interest in their performances and results.

It’s not so much the imports, it’s the number of imports.

There could be a sport citizenship for players like there is in the EPL regarding the homegrown rule. But the foreign player numbers in the EPL coincide with the number of foreign club owners, and it’s in favour of foreigners and the EPL board are reviewing their policy because it’s gone too much in favour of foreigners like the Lima political agreement went too much in favour of foreign countries.

What make you part of the community? What do you have to do to be accepted? Valid questions.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

There’s nothing wrong with being right and win rather than wrong and win.

The Cricket Australia review lays bare an ugly truth about our society

I said that plenty of times when confronted against different situations Steve.

Example, I’m a Saints supporter.

Saints of modern times are the new North Sydney Bears. Somehow there was a transference of black swan events from the Bears to the Saints… snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. There are infinite ways to lose and Saints are going through them all.

Modern day rugby league, and for that matter sport, because of the power of money and betting on sport is like a casino and the casino always has the edge. Winning 1 final from the last 6 appearances says so.

Sport like life has its highs and lows and along the way we look for consistency, good consistency, and if we find something that’s good for us, then it’s good enough.

It’s our prerogative as fans.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

In my post there’s a sentence that reads “Never know, cities may grow and warrant selection for inclusion in the future.”

So it’s also a matter of interest.

And the point about population, Australia has a smaller population than England but has a better rugby league record against England. The Eastern Suburbs has a smaller population than Melbourne but Easts defeated Melbourne in this years NRL final.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

And clubs have got to be 100% compliant regarding the football department salary cap by 2020.

The salary caps and third party agreements as I understand can easily be avoided. Example, player makes a golf bet which is won against an organised opponent and wins the amount agreed with club connections thereby avoiding the salary cap and third-party agreement.

The way I see even distribution of talent,

During a training match the blue shirt team is flogging the red shirt team. The coach then says to a few of the players from each team to exchange teams putting strong players with weak and weak players with strong. The match restarts and the flogging stops therefore the match is balanced.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

In my post there’s a sentence that reads “Never know, cities may grow and warrant selection for inclusion in the future.”

So it’s also a matter of interest.

And the point about population, Australia has a smaller population than England but has a better rugby league record against England. The Eastern Suburbs has a smaller population than Melbourne but Easts defeated Melbourne in this years NRL final.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

There’s nothing wrong if that is the policy. It ensures more local content than foreign, and we all know how voters feel about foreign imports and the number of foreign imports.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled

It’s still Theo and I’m not quite dead yet but getting there, like all of us. Thanks for asking Picket.

There are too many teams in Sydney. All but one must be culled