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Tim Gore

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Tim has been an NRL statistician for ABC Radio Grandstand since 1999, primarily as part of their Canberra coverage. Tim has loved rugby league since Sterlo was a kid with lots of hair but was cursed with having no personal sporting ability whatsoever. He couldn't take a hit in footy, was a third division soccer player making up numbers, plays off 41 in golf and is possibly the worlds worst cricketer ever. He has always been good at arguing the point though and he has a great memory of what happened. Follow Tim on Twitter @GorskiOPork

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One round gone and the 2019 premiers and wooden spooners are clear

Wests Tigers were a complete outlier in 2005. Nothing like it before or since.

One round gone and the 2019 premiers and wooden spooners are clear

That is quite the axe you are grinding there…

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

It’s not amateur at all. It’s just not about Rugby League as anything else other than as an entertainment product.
Real league supporters like us – the ones who watch our sides week in week out, who go to the games in the rain, who renew our membership knowing our sides don’t have much chance – aren’t who the game is run for. It isn’t about Rugby League Football Clubs and grass roots. Its about the almighty broadcast deal. 8 matches a weekend. Content on pay TV. And especially State of Origin and – to a lesser extent – the Grand Finals. The game is run to ensure the entertainment product is there to secure the almighty broadcast deal. If there wasn’t a deal in place demanding that there were 8 games a weekend that the Titans would have been propped up? No chance.
Those of us who live and breathe our clubs may be the backbone of all that happening but we are not given the respect that deserves.
But it isn’t an issue of amateurism at all.

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

Huh? Please explain…

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

Cronk isn’t in that category.
Johns may have been too early but he’s not an inappropriate member.
Lockyer, Smith and Thurston – along with Johns – are the best players of the last two decades. Smith has the best games record of all of them – and his amazing footballing ability is the main reason for that.

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

You know that bit about ignorance being no excuse?

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

Wait, Greg, are you talking about the Shark’s salary cap thing or what happened with me and Johnny?

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

You say that with great authority!
They were over in 1990 and 1991.

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

Yeah, not sure what’s happening there.

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

What a well reasoned and well put opinion

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

I was not excluding any side from my feelings about the cap!

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

Oh come on Johnny boy… I told you I was sorry. It was all just in good fun. It may just have gotten a bit out of hand. I’ll replace the stuff that got broken this weekend.

If the Sharks title isn’t stripped then the Storm must get theirs back

What rules has he violated BennO? That he’s been accused of a crime does not make him guilty of it.
He has a contract to play in the NRL that the NRL registered. The Dragons have contracted him to play for them in the NRL and the NRL has registered it. That’s their right.
He has had ZERO violations proven against him.
But go on, run along with your lynch mob. Don’t forget your torch and pitchfork.
But say a prayer that you aren’t in his shoes next time…

When sport attacks civil liberties: The NRL’s no-fault stand down

I did, yes. In fact I wrote the bulk of it the day of the judgement after a heated debate with my editor Daniel Jeffrey. I decided to pull it at the time because there were things I wasn’t certain of. It was when Mary McGregor’s comments came out that I felt the need to revisit.

When sport attacks civil liberties: The NRL’s no-fault stand down

If he’s found guilty he’s going to jail and any penalty the NRL has imposed is irrelevant. This is bigger than the game. So much bigger. Yes, its ugly and unfortunate. But we can’t allow that to let someone’s rights get trampled.
Individual rights are far more important than the NRL. At the end of the day it is just a game.

When sport attacks civil liberties: The NRL’s no-fault stand down

League players are different because their career window is so much smaller. Because he can’t continue in his rep jumper, because he can’t play really well and push for an increased contract during his tiny career window. Because it is so public and effects everything going forward.
He will still have lost over a season of his prime. And I make you a bet that his stand down on full pay does not include the NRL paying him for all three Origin games in 2019.

When sport attacks civil liberties: The NRL’s no-fault stand down

That’s a much bigger issue Mushi…

When sport attacks civil liberties: The NRL’s no-fault stand down

I pray for you that you are never one of the few.

When sport attacks civil liberties: The NRL’s no-fault stand down

But if the charges are false – as De Belin strenuously says they are – how can the stand down vaguely be justified. By saying he has brought the game into disrepute you are saying that he is guilty of the charges! don’t you understand that?
We must defend “innocent until proven guilty” wherever it is challenged if for no other reason than because one day it might be you who truly needs that presumption.

When sport attacks civil liberties: The NRL’s no-fault stand down

He is challenging the stand down on the basis of restraint of trade I believe.

When sport attacks civil liberties: The NRL’s no-fault stand down

What damage has he caused the game? he has had allegations made against him and been charged. Those charges have not been proved in any way. Further, his ‘Full pay’ does not include rep monies he may well have made, nor any additional sponsorship he may have earned through good performances, or his ability to play great football – it is the prime of his career – to earn big money contracts. his ‘full pay’ suspension doesn’t allow for that.
Right now Jack De Belin MUST be presumed to be innocent. It is the only way for a civilized society to act.

When sport attacks civil liberties: The NRL’s no-fault stand down

Well CtD, I hope for your sake that you are never falsely accused of anything and stood down indefinitely while you await the verdict, with all the implications that has. He has been charged but there is no video evidence and he is contesting the charges. He’s innocent until proven guilty. But you’re just fine with him being punished all the same. No origin jumpers or money. no opportunity to play while in the prime of his career to push for a better contract and more personal sponsorship. You’re ok with that because he’s been charged…
There is a world of difference between being charged and being guilty.

When sport attacks civil liberties: The NRL’s no-fault stand down

Its Dufty’s defence. He’s not stopping anything 100kg and over.

Put up or shut up: Players who need a big 2019

For a back at the Warriors he is great!
But I’ve only been keeping stats on that for two decades…

Put up or shut up: Players who need a big 2019