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Bob,
I am trying to keep an open mind, I am hoping we can put this one down to Journalistic incompetence and move on.

How Rugby Australia failed the Sunwolves

My Appologies.

SANZAAR's Sunwolves decision is all dollars and no sense

Not sure about the push for ‘Local’ Players.
I would entertain an argument for more players on the pathway for national selection eligibility.
We live in a glass house, Australian rugby is built on a long list of names from NZ, PI and southern Africa. It is so accepted that we don’t notice anymore.

SANZAAR's Sunwolves decision is all dollars and no sense

It is in the title of your article.

Money talks, BS walks
If SA are providing the Lions Share of the revenue (Pun intended), then, they should have most of the say.

The problem is that the other nations are so dependant on the pay TV model, they have no say, and no way out.

Time to pull the toggles on the ejector seat. Change is needed.

Otherwise, start looking for an AFL or NRL team to support, or take up crochet or knitting.

SANZAAR's Sunwolves decision is all dollars and no sense

Awesome words
“Rugby fans, who are among the most tolerant of egregiously inept leadership in the world”

First they came for the Cheetahs and the Kings, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Cheetah nor a King.

Then they came for the Force, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not from WA.

Then they came for the Sunwolves, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Sunwolf.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
~Niemöller (Mostly)

During the Force “Exiting” many (myself included) were calling for the Sun-wolves to go instead, Looks like they will get their wish.

I was disappointed to read the SMH Article this morning citing GRR as a second tier competition and a joint venture between RA and Andrew Forrest.
I am disappointed if this it is bad, tainted, journalism.
I will be even more disappointed if it is true, When Twiggy started it he described it as a premier competition. RA were less than helpful.

How Rugby Australia failed the Sunwolves

To start with, this was intended as a throw-away line intended to point out how silly the debate could become.
I am not advocating for either.

But since you have opened the door:

I did my research:
From Wikipedia:
“associated with the traditional battle preparations of {male} warriors”
In my vernacular, in the context of history (not sport), A battle is part of war.
We are looking at the word “Crusaders” in historical context, so I have no problem comparing the Haka with the same criterion.

Prosecuting language on it’s origins and forgetting that it has evolved into its current meaning feels a bit Orwellian.

NZ government backs Crusaders on potential name change

Have you seen Deegan play?
If you had, I doubt you would be making that comment.

A sneak preview of the new Wallabies selection panel's first meeting

I’ll be Honest, the first time I saw the mascot come through the battlements I couldn’t help but think of John Cleese shouting Insults from the top of a French castle.

NZ government backs Crusaders on potential name change

2- Anaru Rangi,
10 -Andrew Deegan
I am not saying they are starters but I am surprised they aren’t on your list.
Folau at Fullback, Give me strength!

A sneak preview of the new Wallabies selection panel's first meeting

Does this mean the Haka (A traditional dance of War) needs a re-think?

NZ government backs Crusaders on potential name change

What do I have to do to get a membership?
I can’t wait to see the logo for that flag
Would it be:
Crossed ‘Swords’ in front of a beer barrel?

NZ government backs Crusaders on potential name change

I just want to temper this down a bit.
So far, it has been a symbolic gesture from the club, not pressure applied by the Muslim community.

There may, however, be pressure from virtue-signalling do-gooders. I can’t stress enough about how unhelpful that can be.

NZ government backs Crusaders on potential name change

I have always been a bit cynical about naming a team after a particularly unsavory period in religious history.
I think it is great that this conversation is being had, and recognizing the social implications.

But it should be just that – a conversation. Let’s hear from the Muslim community before the media, social or otherwise take it to a ridiculous PC level.
I am not familiar with the Muslim community in New Zealand, but if it is anything like the rest of the country, they will have the same, rabid, fans donning the black and red each weekend, united as a city, cheering on their home team to yet, another win.
They may be more outraged about a change to the name of their home team.

The next step will be renaming Christchurch to be less offensive to Hindu’s and Buddhists.

NZ government backs Crusaders on potential name change

Great Article,
Again, I challenge the notion that the Warratahs have the most talented players.
In who’s opinion are they the best Australia have to offer? Not Mine.
The Wallabies recent results confirms this.
In my opinion, there is great talent there, but not where we are being told it is.
I use guys like Jake Gordon as an example. he should be on the shortlist as Genia’s #2,

The Force and the Rebels have similar stories, Tahs rejects including greats like Adam Coleman and Matt Hodgeson, remained relatively invisible to the media and coach and became expendable after the forced their way into the side.

How will Michael Cheika solve the talent versus toughness equation?

I think the “Hoops has a big engine and can go for 80 minutes” is a bit of a misnomer.
With a 5-3 bench, one lock and either the 8 or 6 will play 80 minutes, half the backs go 80 minutes too.
The Job of a forward incredibly taxing. Lifting in a lineout, pushing a scrum or maul, and in my personal experience, the hardest of all – the cleanout – you have run half way across the field, at speed and now you are expected to move or resist 80-100kg of beef. Try that at your local gym.

So, here is the question: What role does Hoops play in the Wallaby and Tahs sides? In my observation, he does most of his defensive work at 12, like a 12 and attacking from 10,12 and near the wing. He is well suited to this, and great at it. But built into this, is down time -fatigue management. Unlike the rest of the forwards, he isn’t on all the time. A traditional Drive has the forward pack trucking it up the middle, “earning the right to go wide”. We don’t see Hoops doing that. The asset of his speed is recognized and used sparingly.

An ideal player for Cheikaball’s attacking and defending demarkation, but in a modern game, the backs are expected to do their own ruck protection and pilfering, the need for a specialist skill set like this is no longer required.

So, in summary, Hoops is a great player in the role that he has been playing, but in my opinion, there are many players that would be better at #7 and as you point out, the precious #20 bench back row/emergency lock impact utility.

When Hunt played 2 weeks ago, he shone doing many of the roles that Hoops usually plays.

It is time the Wallabies moved on from the Pooper

“Factory” Seconds
Looks like a Ref, but not good enough to sell full price.

Careless Rebels blow big lead as Lions win

I would add Gus Cotterel to your list.
Draws a few more penalties, (some of them justified) but as a 6, if you aren’t, it means you aren’t doing your job properly. The role is one of disruption and Mongrel.
I haven’t seen much of McCaffery but will take your word on him being a contender.
RHP is back from injury too. I am not saying he is a front runner, but certainly a handy bench player as he is proficient as a lock, giving the coach flexibility with substitutions.

It is time the Wallabies moved on from the Pooper

Tipuric is more 6 than 7, Same with Haskell, and all the names you mentioned are capable of moving heavy bodies.

It is time the Wallabies moved on from the Pooper

My new years resolution has been not to mention Hooper in a negative light. I have been tilting at that windmill for the last 2-3 years.
Instead I will focus on the objective, select our best player in each position.
I expect a full service player, and for me that includes the ability to clean out and not to be cleaned out.
Dual 7’s compromises the scrum and line out too much and creates the need for a Locking 6.
Part of the Dual 7’s role is to defend the 10/12 channel. The answer his is to get a better 10 and a 12 that can defend. Hunt’s performances for the Wallabies and more recently Tah’s is an example of how it should be done. This frees up the #8 jersey for a proper hard-man.
The inconvenient truth is that Beale won’t get a start, and Hoops doesn’t get a run while Poey is fit. I rate Alcock higher than Hoops, Gill and MacMahon even higher.

Is one generation blocking the next?

Great Article, But not the first to assume that Foley, Beale and Folau are automatic selections.
With a different Coach and a modern game plan, I don’t think any of them would get any game time. Add Hoops to this list while you are at it.
There is (rightfully) a lot of talk around the 10 spot. But there is more to it. PS you forgot Andrew Deegan.
Where are out back rowers? Most of our best are sitting fat and happy overseas. Quirke, Smiler, Gill, Fardy, Butler

There is also a lot of gains from playing low stakes second tier nations and Australia vs Australia “A” for example. Focus on young prospects a run, not just the established #1 and 2 Picks.

Is one generation blocking the next?

There was one where Marx was being celebrated for his over the ball dominance where he was Clearly fully extended, lying on top of a player to get to the ball.
One Rangi got called for, the player on the ground was holding on so tight that when Rangi was finally cleaned out, he lifted the player on the ground too.
I was also baffled by the Ref calling “No Hands Blue” before the ruck had formed. and waiting a good 5 Mississippi’s before telling White to keep their hands out.
I can live with both interpretations, but there needs to be consistency.

Six talking points from Super Rugby Round 5

I was yelling at the Ref from my cheap seat within 15 minutes of kickoff, even through the good times up to the 33-5 lead.
There was something wrong. Each case, in isolation, was fine, a lot of 50/50 decisions that could go either way. “Flat” passes, balls fumbled onto boots. But collectively, they almost always went the lions way.
A lot of Scrum jiggery, The Rebels Front Row, Still Bound, at the position of engagement, the Lions in a pile beside them, managed to get get the penalty.
Cotterel’s yellow card for Swimming through the “Middle” of the mall was an abomination.
I was cheering on the player that should be Australia’s #6 for doing his job, doing it well and doing it legal. Only to see him leave the field rightfully confused as to what happened.
It felt like most of the time, the ref was looking for an excuse to blow his whistle against the Rebels. The one sided South-African commentary took time to be disgusted by the Rebels ill-discipline, even on the calls that in replay were clearly bad.

Ref, aside, The Rebels didn’t do themselves any favors. 2 muffed tries and some woeful QC “Classic” defense could have made a 15+ point difference. At least 1/2 of the 21 penalties were justified. One could argue, a cascade from the previous unjust penalty, but a more mature side would take it on the chin and get the job done, not give away 3 in a row.

Six talking points from Super Rugby Round 5

I could argue that QC, CLL and Foley aren’t up to world cup standard either. This leaves Matt T as our last hope.
I had the displeasure of watching the Rebels game on Saturday night, I am not saying Quade is solely to blame for the result but he didn’t exactly cover himself in glory in defense.
I took the time to listen to the full Anthony Fainga’a’s Fox Sports podcast over the weekend. His openness and insight into his concussions is admirable, but his experiences playing with “QB” QC gives a pretty good insight into why Thorn may have benched him.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/fox-rugby-podcast-anthony-faingaa-reveals-the-full-extent-of-his-scary-battle-with-concussion/news-story/f380ee173c4a3c67b9d6cee0a41831cb

It is time to give Quade Cooper a fair go

In Cheikas book there are only a few positions: Locks, Centers and favorites.
I am hoping that with some oversight we can return to what Rugby needs: Much like the Karma Sutra there are 23 Positions each with a unique way to give it to the opposition.

It is time to give Quade Cooper a fair go

Fionn,
Nice work putting pen to paper (Finger to keyboard).
You made a lot of valid points, unfortunately my take-away, is that the bar is set pretty low for #10’s in Australia.
The distinctions that I see with QC’s game is that his moves usually end in points, the problem is that it is difficult to predict side of the scoreboard they will end up on. Makes for great telly. These tend average out. The other is that he has a long boot, Something Foley has never been accused of.

Are we happy to select the “least worst” or should we be taking a hard look at the other options available?
We lost Jono and Jack Debs last year, but what did we think about Hegarty’s performance at 10? Young Guns – Stewart, Mason, Jackson-Hope, Masters? Experiments like Hodge? Maddocks? What about the return of Matt Tamooa?
It is a hairy question, but does illustrate the need to nurture future talent.

It is time to give Quade Cooper a fair go