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Thanks for the link to the article.
I had not considered this scenario. To my knowledge, elite men’s rugby has no openly gay players. Nigel forges the path for Ref’s
Move to elite women’s team sports and the statistics invert, with a disproportionate number of gay women representing us at the top level.
It remidned me of a colleague of mine. His wife is a former Olympian and he said that his plan to bond with other partners over a frothy beverage whilst tending the team BBQ did not go as expected, his new friends were predominately women, unsurprising with unofficial number of gay partners well over 50% .
Show up with Folau’s or Jaelene Hinkle’s bronze age nonsense and the dynamic changes, no need for Raelene Castle to get involved,
The rates of training mishaps jump significantly with Hockey, Cricket and Rugby providing endless “teaching” opportunities.
I am not advocating for violence but when you start insulting your team mates life choices, the tackles get a little bit harder, the deliveries a little bit faster, the swings a little more wayward.
The problem is self correcting.

Buckle up, Cheika is going for broke on 2019 RWC challenge

Rugby is a 15 (23) man game and has Both attack and Defense.

If you are performing 100% in 1/2 your roles and 50% in the other 1/2 it makes you a 75% player.
I will take an 85% player in all of their roles over a show pony any day.

There is a pretty big difference between political correctness and discrimination Especially after ignoring warnings from your employer..

Buckle up, Cheika is going for broke on 2019 RWC challenge

Campesse?
Spent his time as a finisher on the side of one of the greatest wallaby teams ever,
Like Folau, dabbled at fullback but failed for pretty much the same reasons, the coach didn’t keep putting him in that position though.
Respected him as an athlete but not a great rugby brain.

Buckle up, Cheika is going for broke on 2019 RWC challenge

Hegharty was one of the highest point scorers this year – So what? Did he get an invite to the dance?

Do you think Ben Lam is going to get an all black spot?
No? Why not? he fills the Highlights reel just like Izzy did.

As I said, there is more to rugby than the highlights reel.

If Folau scores all of the tries for a team and his team is still losing, it means there is a problem with the plan.

The “Give it to Izzy” game plan helps Izzy’s profile but it doesn’t win matches.

The defensive structural problems it caused rippled from top to bottom. Hoops defending in the 12 channel leaves the forward pack 1 man down and incurring Chieka’s wrath for not being fit enough even though he is demanding 15% more from them to compensate for an asymmetric player.

Folau Fainga has scored a lot of tries this season too, but he doesn’t have an ego the size of a continent and recognizes that 90% of the credit goes to his forward pack.

Buckle up, Cheika is going for broke on 2019 RWC challenge

I challenge the notion that Folau is an international quality player.
Sure, he has some terrick, specific skills, but not enough to win any jersey.
15: Doesen’t have the wisdom
13: Can’t Defend
14: Close, But doesn’t have the kick-chase game nor outright jet shoes.

It takes more than a Highlight reel to make a great player.

It has opened the door For Banks. If given the Chance, he may be our could be our great hope.

Buckle up, Cheika is going for broke on 2019 RWC challenge

I saw him make a couple of impressive 60+m runs coming off the bench and forced a couple of turnovers.
Different story when he starts, thus my comment.

REVEALED: The Wallabies side to face the Springboks (as voted by the fans)

Apparently he is too light.
Might be a problem against at international level.
When you play dual 7’s, a mobile pilfering hooker isn’t high on the shopping list.
Has never bothered Coles or Ricitelli though.
What would Hansen know. His side hasn’t won in ages……..

REVEALED: The Wallabies side to face the Springboks (as voted by the fans)

Hodge holds his own at fullback but I don’t think that is his ideal spot, nor is he the best.
It is probably closer to 12, his in close ruck defense is quite good.
15 is a unique position requiring an old head that can see the big picture.
Both Beale and DHP have one but are missing Form and/or skills, Voldemort is an empty vessel and should never have been there in the first place.
Apart from international minutes, Banks has it all. It is a no-brainer for me.
Hodge over Maddocks at 14, maybe…. Sill best on the bench. Banks has a decent kick too.

REVEALED: The Wallabies side to face the Springboks (as voted by the fans)

I like Hardwick as an impact player. He has some genuine pace and the profile of a warthog. Ideal for punching through tired enemy lines.

REVEALED: The Wallabies side to face the Springboks (as voted by the fans)

I tend to agree, Simmons is more of an 80 minute player, a lower impact but can sustain for the full game. The exact opposite of what you want off the bench.
Cheika has been doing him a disservice putting him in the #19 jersey and then complaining that he hasn’t had an impact.

REVEALED: The Wallabies side to face the Springboks (as voted by the fans)

Aah, the luxury of Depth.

Boks could field weaker side vs Wallabies

Good point
I was trying to reconcile DHP on the Bench, Hodge can cover 12-15.
DHP or Maddocks at 14, I am neutral. Maddocks has the speed, DHP has the vision.
Tomooa would be a better choice at 22. TK could move out to 11 if stuff got real.

I feel bad for Reece, he is a terrific player but probably destined for the #23 jersey for the rest of his career. The perils of being a utility all-rounder.

REVEALED: The Wallabies side to face the Springboks (as voted by the fans)

Not a bad team eh?
Let’s see how well Cheika can completely stuff up a good thing.

Might swap DHP with Maddocks, but it is a coin flip.
Still want to see Rangi but he didn’t even make the squad.

One question though, What if we lose both locks?
The Mumm/Hanigan debacle has revolved around the need to have a backup.

I haven’t seen Isi, or Dempsey successfully moonlight in the tight 5.
Not sure about Jones, I suspect he is capable but have no information either way. He would need to be an 80 minute man. Might be a perfect fit.

REVEALED: The Wallabies side to face the Springboks (as voted by the fans)

Ritchie was awesome over here in Perth.
Handling skills need a bit of work but “Girrafe’s gone wild” he was awesome in the air and line breaks. Slightly lighter than his brother makes him a bit more agile.

Maybe Rugby Australia know what they're doing

Any Trans/Bi Folk out there following Union and the State of Origin?
Last nights game looked like one Giant CTE.
I don’t understand how they get players to sign up for that sort of abuse.

Head injuries in Rugby and AFL tend to be accidental.
League makes it look like brain damage is the objective, or at the very least, a pre-requisite to play.

Could CTE spell the end of Grassroots footy?

How about a high level competitive platform that people want to watch?
It could be based in Perth and be based in our time zone.

Like you suggested, A parallel NRC comp could provide the link between club and elite rugby – a representative honor, not just SR dregs that couldn’t get a run.

Maybe Rugby Australia know what they're doing

I am keeping an open mind but am expecting the worst.
If Cheika doesn’t get this right, his next gig will be working in one of his sweatshops making clothing. ………… Clown Suits would be justice.
Time will tell if he will swallow his pride and listen to good advice. Larkham’s exit tells me that it isn’t likely. The “Give it to Izzy” attack “Hide Izzy” defense strategy is on-hold (for now) so he may be forced to come up with something different, something from this millennia.

Maybe Rugby Australia know what they're doing

Simmons may not be the enforcer that everyone want’s but you have to respect his line out skills, both in the air and from the ground. With Coleman out injured and Cheika refusing to select a jumping 8, I don’t think he has many options. Word on the street is that Rodda may be maturing into the role, which is great, in principle you need 2 shot callers, especially with a 6-2 bench when you play at altitude.
As morbid as this sounds, Australia’s line out hopes lie with Poey or Hoops getting injured so that we can see what the recently qualified Isi can do.

Maybe Rugby Australia know what they're doing

I don’t have the same optimism.
One thing Chieka has done well is to bring young guys into the training squad.
The match day 15 doesn’t change much, and barring the odd 8 minute cameo, neither does the bench.

Full credit to Ulese as a player, but with 2 SR games under his belt, there is no way he has earned a spot in the 23.
Expect to see Beale or DHP at 15 while Australia’s in form fullback, Banks, warms the pine.

There is a good case for the value of proven international experience, but it looks like you can’t get it unless you already have it.
The 3 RC games should be a good platform to battle harden some of the new guys and try a modern game plan instead of the same old failed Cheikaball experiment.

If there is hope, but it lies with the proles.

Maybe Rugby Australia know what they're doing

The born gay argument is a response to the claim that homosexuality is a choice, and that there is possibility to repent and change their ways.

Folau should shut up because he is preaching toxic vitriol, hiding behind some old book using it as justification for his actions.
Why do you think this has become such a big deal. Is it perhaps if the Christian Right don’t win this, it will set a precedent that the bible is a book of hate (which parts of it are by modern standards) and their whole house of lies comes crumbling down around them.

Did all ministers swear on the bible, no? so not compulsory, so, not relevant. What about all members of parliament? No? your cherry picked stats now collapse.

Denial of facts presented is straight out of the defense of religion playbook. it doesn’t mean that there weren’t any.

Giving to Israel Folau isn't patriotic, it's funding fanaticism

Calling the information learned from rigorous research “dogmatic belief” is an old straw man argument to attempt to discredit inconvenient facts.
Not sure why we went down this rabbit hole, Born gay or chooses to be gay, or Atheist, either way, we have rights and this Bible is now obsolete, replaced by commonwealth laws.

Giving to Israel Folau isn't patriotic, it's funding fanaticism

Banks has been the form fullback for the season, so, it follows that he should play on the wing……. So that there is room for Beale or DHP at 15, neither have showered themselves in glory.

Has the latest Wallabies squad heralded the end of a selection era?

There are studies showing that some cultural groups are (were) so anti-gay that they are pressured to change, leave, be killed or commit suicide.
I don’t have access to the figure for the Australian population, it could be that the chemistry required to produce “born Gay” doesn’t exist in specific racial groups. Again, I point to the knowledge gap, research is ongoing.

Giving to Israel Folau isn't patriotic, it's funding fanaticism

Sandbox, there are significant gaps in our knowledge and understanding of the mechanisms, but I think it is fair to say that it is a “natural” biological process for a significant number of “cases”.
For one group of “Belivers” or “deniers” as I like to call them to claim that it isn’t the case based on their ancient text book is laughable.

Giving to Israel Folau isn't patriotic, it's funding fanaticism

Fetal Alcohol syndrome AND a significant proportion of Homosexuality are non-hereditary, links to both have been made to hormone/chemical conditions during fetal development.

Epigenetics is an emergent branch of biology, the famous case is the link between famine and diabetes. Have you read it?
This ain’t one of those cases. Just because Epigenetics exists, doesn’t mean that everything has to be because of it.

Giving to Israel Folau isn't patriotic, it's funding fanaticism