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Train Without A Station

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A rugby game isn't a matter of life or death. It's much more important than that.

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Ahh the old merger. Why send one team broke when you can send two broke?

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

Rob surely a huge factor is the majority of coaching done, is by volunteers.

If I am a pro that plays until 30, I’ll be coached from 6 to 18 by volunteer coaches.

That’s longer than my professional career.

Did the All Blacks pick the right successor to Hansen?

But it may be that based on what they pay now, Foxtel may get better value from Rugby at the current price than League at the current price

Foxtel versus rugby: The next battle

No. Never said that cookie.

Just said the viewers isn’t the actual value to Foxtel.

Foxtel versus rugby: The next battle

Probably need to convince NZ of that.

They’ve already sold the NZ rights to Super Rugby until 2025

Foxtel versus rugby: The next battle

Except you pay a mortgage to the bank, not the government

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

Or there would have been losses without cutting the Force…

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

In fairness he’d won 2 NRC’s in a row

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

Well any time the Force were good, it wasn’t the backs!

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

Nah. Only came on board with Thorn.

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

Most state investments are based on recoup the costs in rental income over the life

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

How were they going to pay this debt back?

Surely through rent?

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

Yes in your district the club covers the cost.

The issue is we don’t have rugby clubs that are well run like that.

Foxtel versus rugby: The next battle

Andy I totally understand that faced with potential extinction you’re going to want to fight for survival.

But is it really reasonable when that fight has cost them money which technically you are legally obligated to pay, to say they are wrong to not give you more money?

I’m sceptical about the make up of this debt considering most would relate to facilities and ground rental.

Are the Force now not renting these facilities and using GRR income to pay for it?

Not saying RA deserve credit, just saying this debt is based on obligations which are still being used for a professional venture.

Now if the WA government is taking rent from the force now, but saying rugby WA owes for the use they would have in super rugby, are the government being unreasonable?

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

He opens Cheika’s stubbies.

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

And was the weakest Australian TV market.

That’s not to say the Force didn’t have it’s own strengths.

But when you are arguing over whether you were the least, or second least valuable franchise in a league where you are all propped up by others, it’s hardly a compelling argument.

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

Absolutely that’s the limitation of Super Rugby.

Why did we end up with Super Rugby though? Because of lack of interest in any alternative set ups that existed.

Most domestic sporting leagues have a century or more of history they evolved from organically.

Rugby had to create a professional set up immediately when the game went pro.

Foxtel versus rugby: The next battle

So Rugby WA has cost RA money, through almost spurious legal action.

RA is awarded costs. RA doesn’t actually pursue those costs and your criticism is they should have given more money?

I bet you don’t consider that there would have been more to give had they not burned through legal fees.

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

Rugby AU recorded a net surplus of $5.2m in 2018 ($3.8m operational deficit in 2017), aided by a $14.9m net expenditure reduction primarily due to reduced funding allocated to Super Rugby, player costs decreasing, and a reduction in administrative staffing and overhead costs.

Definitely doesn’t say $14M was saved from axing the Force.

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

Participation dropped prior to the axing.

Compare rugbylink registrations.

They were down 2016 to 2017.

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

Tahman I think it is kind of true though.

Rugby’s value to Foxtel is the exclusivity of Super Rugby. NRL and AFL just doesn’t have that.

However due to the lack of guaranteed time zone content, Rugby is limited to a service that gets that kind of value.

Foxtel versus rugby: The next battle

I don’t think it’s possible to go from a guaranteed contract arrangement in broadcast television, to your own risk streaming platform.

That’s taking two risks (change to streaming and you taking the commercial risk on the product).

Foxtel versus rugby: The next battle

WA participation was dropping prior to the cut. It’s the continuation of the existing trend.

RA hasn’t spent $14M elsewhere because that saving was not immediate. It was over time.

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

You realise that if the financial position didn’t improve by saving money, that it wouldn’t certainly be worse by not saving money?

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments

That’s not what I’m saying…

What I am saying is how much of the WA population Force fans represent.

But anyway I’ve actually always said that no Super Rugby teams were self sustaining. Once you aren’t you’re survival is up to the whims of others.

Wise choice: Scott Wisemantel new attack coach as Wallabies confirm multiple appointments