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A rugby game isn't a matter of life or death. It's much more important than that.

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Exactly.

You refuse to even consider, that it may not be possible for Rugby Australia to be successful given market considerations, and previous administrations.

Michael Cheika and Cameron Clyne don't click

If you don’t review the situation how do you come to a decision?

Cheika survives Rugby Australia review - for now

It’s stupid.

Look at those opponents under Hawker. 16 test.

1 vs USA
1 vs Fiji
1 vs Scotland
1 vs Uruguay

There’s 4 that at that time should have been gimmes. Plus England in their worst period ever.

Michael Cheika and Cameron Clyne don't click

Why would there be a Royal Commission into Rugby?

The Royal Commission into banking was because customers were being ripped off, charged for things they weren’t provided, overcharged, etc.

There has been no fraud against customers with Rugby.

It’s merely been not successful, possibly poorly run – but possibly never was possible to run it well.

Michael Cheika and Cameron Clyne don't click

Basically people just decide who they want to blame and try and think of a reason.

The reality is any failings are the fault of a lot of people, and in many cases, the predecessor (or even earlier) of the current people.

Like EFF trying to blame Clyne for the current financial position.

Firstly, he’s only one vote on the board. Despite being chairman, he doesn’t have the ability to overrule the board.

Secondly, the current financial state if anything, is because JON and Flowers from 2004-2012 left the ARU in a state where they were on the brink financially, and the 2013 BIL windfall rather than being able to be used to invest in the future, would basically just prop them up during the 2011, 2015 and 2019 RWC down years.

Allowing the current Cheika contract was an error. But where were all the people saying that in May 2016? That was one decision being cheered. Now the same people who supported it are trying to use it to justify why they know better.

Michael Cheika and Cameron Clyne don't click

What if what caused the dire financial position completely pre-dates Clyne?

He should still take responsibility?

Michael Cheika and Cameron Clyne don't click

Yeah. Exactly.

Pocock backs Wallabies coach Cheika

Don’t know how he’s controversial.

Don’t see his appointment at all inspiring though.

If it was replacing Cheika with a young up and comer (Maybe somebody who is where Wessels will be in 2 or 3 years) and Johnson as DOR it would inspire me more.

Michael Cheika and Cameron Clyne don't click

People talking up the A-League is just ludicrous.

They have FTA presence and their games on SBS rate on par with most Foxtel Rugby games.

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

Apparently now it’s Johnson as DOR and Cheika as HC still.

Marginally better than sacking Cheika to only replace him with Larkham.

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

The Wallabies possibly decline (if you consider that they weren’t equally bad in 2016).

The Super Rugby teams defeated more teams outside Australia.

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

Not really as it required RA to spend the same amount in grants to the Force.

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

I don’t think that’s true at all Sheikh (Pocock and Higginbotham).

Different positions in the back row. Consider that in 2007- 2009 the Reds played the following back rowers:
* AJ Gilbert
* Poutasi Luafutu
* Andrew Shaw
* Ezra Taylor
* Albert Vuli Vuli
* Tom McVerry
* Mark Gilbride

Had Pocock stayed, by 2007 he would have been capped over somebody like AJ Gilbert, by 2008 a regular 23 member (and likely surpassed Croft). The Reds wouldn’t have needed to recruit Braid for 2009.

He basically, very likely given who got game time at the Reds, would have debuted a year later.

He left for opportunity though. You can’t blame him. But it’s not like he was unwanted.

As for the Reds players. Well if they wanted them, they should have prioritised them. The way Sharpe was signed and then was recruiting players at training – that part was a little distasteful.

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

Exactly. More rubbish from Lord trying to deflect any blame from Cheika.

Michael Cheika and Cameron Clyne don't click

Don’t particularly rate that choice.

But don’t know what the real (possible) options were either.

Michael Cheika and Cameron Clyne don't click

No.

You miss the point.

Readily available alternatives give them the balls to do so.

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

Quade?

Pocock backs Wallabies coach Cheika

Removal of the Force has come at almost no cost with the exception of wrapping up outstanding contracts to players.

There is no loss in revenue, they did not lose a key location which regularly brings in great test crowds.

Therefore dispensable.

May be better with 5 teams and we’d actually be even better with 10. But they aren’t essentially to functioning. And basically nobody outside NSW and QLD is.

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

They were scared to accept the $50M Forrest offer because it put them no better off financially.

RA would have to fund the Force around $6.2M a season.

Forrest would donate $6M a year to a fund for grassroots funding.

They’d be no better off financially, and would have less control over the use of the money Forrest provided.

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

Australian teams played better in Super Rugby.

It’s only you that decided a championship was the pass mark.

RA is almost bankrupt. Imagine if they had to grant the Force the entire $6.2M they grant teams then?

They’d be definitely bankrupt.

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

I’m saying they were only going to cut a team that was dispensable.

By being dispensable you became a consideration.

What are these brown paper bags you talk of?

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

Almost every fan of every sport wants their governing body’s CEO out.

Try and find complimentary articles on Gillon McLachlan, James Sutherland or Todd Greenbeg.

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall

Agree on the second part but essentially putting one role on hold because you’ve shuffled people around is hardly thought and planning.

It’s reactionary.

Quite possibly their best option. But then it leaves two options. The DOR is sitting there not being done properly, or if not, it’s an unnecessary role.

Rassie Erasmus to stand down as Springboks coach after World Cup

And mostly I just like to offer the same scrutiny, to people who in their comments want to publicly scrutinize others.

Cheika survives Rugby Australia review - for now

I’m always staggered how people just decide what they want rather than look at the facts.

If they were so disconnected, or didn’t care, why would they bother with any reviews?

Does taking a fortnight to weigh up their course of action mean they are disconnected or don’t care.

Absolutely they may be. But this doesn’t show that. Unless you pick the part you like (lack of immediate decision) and ignore what you don’t like (reviews, considering options, etc).

Rugby Australia is turning into Fort Freefall