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A rugby game isn't a matter of life or death. It's much more important than that.

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Sorry. I’m wrong. I had $750k a year in my head. That was the settlement not the contract.

It was $400k, which was 10% of the cap at the time.

Sonny Bill reportedly eyeing off Canadian code hop

But you’re only considering a couple.

Frisby was a capped Wallaby with more super rugby caps than all 3 replacements and exiled. And then of the replacements Tuttle has been frozen out.

Ready was moved on with the much less experienced Mafi kept, and Efi Ma’afu signed.

The supposedly promising Korczyk has quickly fallen out of favour for ASY and Wright.

Paia’aua has been on the outer since the start of last year.

The only player of experience that has really come into the team under Thorn is JP Smith. And his recruitment was more circumstance (apparently his mother is/was ill so he wanted to come back to Queensland.

Then there’s Cooper.

Let’s disregard Hunt and Slipper because we know specifically what the issue is.

But it’s a fair bit of a trend of deliberating bringing down the age and experience of the squad. I assume it’s for a purpose.

Thorn’s cultural revolution at Reds set for first examination

A lot of the players he’s moved on, or out of favour are experienced enough to have their own views.

A lot of the experienced players he’s backed are journey men.

He seemingly only wants experienced if it comes with falling behind him no matter what. The problem is players who have been somewhat successful and have experience generally won’t follow blindly.

Thorn’s cultural revolution at Reds set for first examination

That’s a completely different situation Ralph.

With fixed term contracts in a salary cap era the Dogs missed out on other players and even had to let some go, on the basis they had SBW for 5 years. If he wound up a dud, they were still stuck with him for 5 years.

Even say for next season they were ok as they could replace SBW, a bloke that was about 20% of their cap walked out mid season, impossible to replace during a season.

Sonny Bill reportedly eyeing off Canadian code hop

He is moving on any player who has built up enough of a playing resume to be able to challenge him.

Why do you think that is?

Look at the squad. The only experienced players are journeymen. Not a single player who would have their own ideas of how to achieve success.

Thorn’s cultural revolution at Reds set for first examination

Tahs had an average scrum. They were minced by the Reds that year.

Potgeiters benefit was in the loose play.

Obviously I’m not saying you can’t have good players in those positions. Success isn’t built around them. Franks and Whitelock were also there for the years where they weren’t the absolute best.

It’s the most successful years they’ve been paired with amounts/Carter, Dagg, McCaw at his best, Read playing most of the year, etc.

Thorn’s cultural revolution at Reds set for first examination

Except Mooney didn’t discard experienced players who wanted to be there.

He didn’t get wins either.

All grunt won’t bring the fans back. The Waratahs have never recovered from their “winning ugly” days. I don’t think they even cracked an average of 20k during their championship season. Some of the fans turned off in the Hickey then Foley years never returned and were never replaced.

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Exactly. Thorn does not want to be challenged. He’s built a squad of players unlikely to ever challenge him.

Unfortunately the best teams which have had sustained success are built on a collaborative approach, not a dictator who cannot maintain any authority if challenged.

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I find it amazing you’ve concluded that Thorn made something that he has refused to make much comment on, entirely clear.

You’ve drawn your own conclusion because you blindly follow him, but I challenge to point us to anything but vague and brief comments from Thorn on the matter. Because without them, he certainly has not made it entirely clear.

Thorn’s cultural revolution at Reds set for first examination

Forget the right 5.

Teams that do well have players at 9 and 10 who are hitting the peak of their careers and and 1 or 2 outstanding backs outside of them with a couple of game breaking forwards in the loose.

Having the best 3 and 5 in the competition isn’t what winning super rugby teams have been built on. It’s a hard working tight 5 that doesn’t lose their set piece you need. If anything a strong line out is more important.

What we saw last year with the Reds (and also past years since their scrum improved a lot around 2013-14) is that strong scrums still get penalised a bit in trying to compete for tight heads and assert their dominance.

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If McReight is Phil Waugh type 7 he won’t go far at all. That type of player has died out of the game.

We now see more 6.5s used.

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The loss is more the Super Rugby teams than the Wallabies themselves directly I think.

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I picked you more as a Winston, Virgil, Harrison or something similar. Possibly a double barrel surname in there!

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Is fitness up. They failed to close out a trial against 3rd string Rebels players, many of whom are not contracted.

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My post says all but 1 team name has history. How does RA disagree with that?

Rugby supporters, can we please change tone?

I didn’t say there wasn’t a decline.

The game has gone through degrees on minimal popularity.

The best periods generally correlate with on field success.

Rugby supporters, can we please change tone?

It’s not that there’s nothing to complain about. I constantly criticise Cheika’s coaching.

But this week we’ve had 2 articles; one trying to paint sponsorships as a bad thing somehow, and another about programs to include participation where people going on a WA whinge on no basis, only to be shown that WA is included as much as all other states.

These are cases of people trying to find something more to complain about.

Rugby supporters, can we please change tone?

When was Rugby popular in Australia?

Rugby supporters, can we please change tone?

I’m not at all.

Your points are completely true.

What many criticisms of RA ignore is their limited control of the product being produced.

Obviously the Wallabies could play better. I think there’s a limit to how good when Europe and Japan recruits many good players, but there would be improvement.

But the question is, would that be enough to generate widespread appeal? I question whether it would.

Rugby supporters, can we please change tone?

*back rower. Not Robert haha.

Thorn’s cultural revolution at Reds set for first examination

Personally I find any Hooper/Pocock discussion right now simply because it’s uncertain how much of the RWC Pocock will play. He’s currently injured possibly for multiple games and has a horrid injury history.

I just hope we don’t see another small back rower wedged in if he’s not there.

Mick O’Connor? Start Pocock in the 7 and Hooper off the bench, thanks

If they attack like they did in Rebels trial it won’t surprise anybody, especially the defence.

Constant streams of one off runners (including backs) won’t do a lot against top teams.

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Don’t rate Wright as a 7.

He’s a good back Robert but isn’t enough threat on the ball.

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Not sure about best in Aus.

Tight five quite possibly. Back row is very inexperienced.

Thorn’s cultural revolution at Reds set for first examination

Interesting to see somebody acknowledge that Rugby is less of a blue blood game than it was

Rugby supporters, can we please change tone?