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A rugby game isn't a matter of life or death. It's much more important than that.

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If Australia can support some fabricated PI team based why on earth would we not just have more sides?

Money to pay players, coaches and team admin will have to come from somewhere, and it ain’t coming from the smaller markets of the islands.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

Kiwi I honestly don’t think the NZRU need to get over themselves because the only thing they’ll be thinking is not doing what needs to be done to ensure Aus is a successful partner doesn’t negatively impact their bottom line.

It’s only mostly NZ expats who have contributed nothing to NZ’s right dominance that seem to go around chest beating about NZ Rugby’s superiority.

Those closer to it are well aware of both their strengths and also their potential weaknesses

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

But they are also pretty good for many years when Aus had 5.

It was only 2015-17 that it became an issue. It’s almost as though it was something else that caused it.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

They’ve never sold out the MCG for a wallabies test.

Having a Bled cup once a decade isn’t hugely valuable.

Having the Vic government wanting to hold big tests in Vic every year is what’s valuable. It boosts the bidding value of all tests.

How to fix Australian rugby, Part 3: Protecting and growing revenue

It most certainly will, jut Foxtel probably won’t.

FTA may not though.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

No they just signed a new $38M a year contract.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

It does. Hence why a converted try will get you 7 points, but a penalty goal only 3.

How to fix Australian rugby, Part 3: Protecting and growing revenue

None.

Hence why I said it was a worthwhile investment.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

NZ seem to have been happy to sign the following Aus players over the last few years:

Michael Ala’alatoa
Ben Volavola
Hugh Roach
Digby Ioane
Sef Fa’agase
Tyrel Lomax
Chris Kuridrani
Guy Millar

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

And now there’s a chance that none of us will be able to deliver that agreement due to COVID-19 and no certainty over international travel restrictions we are all looking at alternatives.

Your agreement isn’t set in stone because if COVID-19 continues to impact sports, you won’t be able to deliver your part of it either.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

We can’t speak for the Force, but we have a pretty good indication on how the Tahs would go. We saw it earlier this year in fact.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

I’m not a fan of “loans”. It’s not like all the best players will be coming to Aus, because Aus teams won’t be able to offer much different to NZ teams.

It’s the fringe players that it would mostly be. And the AB’s playing in Aus generally will be those that weren’t first choice when they signed an Aus contract, and pushed their case due to more game time in Aus.

But ensuring access to the players is what needs to be defined. And ultimately it’s what the Wallabies need any way, so there’s not reason why it can’t just be applied universally to all teams as a constrain to work within.

The teams rely on test match payments or central contracts to be able to retain the players. If it costs you resting them twice a year to ensure you get a first choice test player for example, that seems like a good deal to me.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

Odd they keep recommitting to A-League with much lower ratings too

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

But that’s irrelevant if we are talking about production local players which is what Pete is talking about.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

They won’t do well if rugby has a low profile in the region because there’s zero local content for 50 weeks of the year.

How to fix Australian rugby, Part 3: Protecting and growing revenue

But that’s what all members do, and last broadcast deal it’s not as though SA were propping up other nations. I think reports were SA revenue was 24%, Aus 22% and UK/Europe 24%.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

What’s the point of being competitive if it’s not on TV at a time when people watch?

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

Ma’a Nonu and Dan Carter are a totally different caliber to Tom Varndell.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

Of you could just do that now and teams would have less reason to risk giving away 3 points and a card.

How to fix Australian rugby, Part 3: Protecting and growing revenue

Well more than before. But it contributes to those people watching the Wallabies, and the state governments bidding for test matches, driving up the value.

Hence why I said the Australian cricket team.

How to fix Australian rugby, Part 3: Protecting and growing revenue

It would certainly incentivise defensive infringements…

How to fix Australian rugby, Part 3: Protecting and growing revenue

No because Wagga Wagga isn’t a major TV market which also brings value to the Australia cricket team.

How to fix Australian rugby, Part 3: Protecting and growing revenue

The professionalism of all NH teams improved after a decade of professionalism.

That’s nothing to do with the number of teams, but more to do with how they structured the individual teams. Many of them even in 99 were still pretty amateur in their national team set ups.

But the other factor is Wales didn’t drop to 4 teams. They pooled resources from multiple clubs into franchises similar to M10 Cup and NZ Super Rugby teams.

Wales still have all the clubs but they essentially added a regional tier to professionalism and pushed clubs a tier lower in the structure.

It’s akin to saying when Australia started playing Super 6 to Super 10 we improved because we dropped from 20 odd teams (Bris and Syd Prems) to 2 teams.

Each regional team was able to dramatically increase their budget.

This would not be the case in Australia at all because you won’t pool fans, sponsors, attract higher level sponsors etc. You will just drop a market because none are suitable to merge.

Sydney and Canberra are the closest logistically, and they are 3 hours apart by car.

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

What do you mean take your money?

The Wrap: Rugby Australia must resist being drawn into New Zealand’s spider web

You really can’t compare that.

If all your competitors start paying consultants twice as much if you try and get by paying 30% consultants you either need to retain less consultants, or pay them less and only get those that can’t get a job elsewhere. Either way your income will start to drop soon enough.

How to fix Australian rugby, Part 3: Protecting and growing revenue