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A rugby game isn't a matter of life or death. It's much more important than that.

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Who says achievements were possible?

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

The thing about Cron is they’ve tried to manage him how he should be.

He coached club. Then NRC. Then he became an SR assistant.

They haven’t rushed him through but then at the prospect of spending a 3rd year as an Assistant with the HC role open come year 4, he’s departed for whatever reason.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

You refuse to accept that to achieve the growth the game was required to exponentially grow the support that it consistently had over it’s history.

Even the AFL has not done that since the move to full professionalism from the VFL. Victorian attendances have only grown around 20% since 1980 for example.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Every sport has a top down approach.

AFL too.

The difference is that the AFL clubs are run well. The Super Rugby franchises are not. You cannot micromanage them all.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Actually nobody did.

It was a sarcastic line by people like on this site.

But ultimately our teams have been stronger than they were.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Is that actually true though?

Debreczeni only got opportunity due to injury.

Didn’t seem that keen to back him until he had to.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

You can read Debreczeni’s comments one way.

You can also read it as a dig to the people who want to cull the NRC, the closest thing we have to Mitre 10 Cup.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

As I’ve said. I can accept Wessels overuse of Quade due to lack of alternatives. But as you said, Ruru has shown the ability to play Super Rugby well. He should have been used a lot more.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

I can understand the reluctance initially. But how good did he look across the last 6 weeks?

After the head knock against the Sunwolves, why wasn’t he rested or at least benched? He’d looked off the boil prior to that.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

I think your comment about poaching is misguided.

The JRFU aren’t providing funds. This is occurring almost outside the JRFU system from teams which don’t wish to put resources behind the Sunwolves.

The two are unrelated.

SANZAAR should not force the Sunwolves to play out another year

He was probably asleep against the Chiefs from so much tackling.

Depending on source he made between 12 and 18 tackles and between 16 and 22 attempts. Compare that to Debreczeni who was forced to attempt 2 tackles.

Clearly even the defensive system didn’t try and keep him fresh for what he’s there for.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

But it wasn’t $50M on the table so to speak.

It was an agreement to reimburse $50M if RA committed to spending $50M. Except that $50M actually wouldn’t be paid to RA.

It seems the variance in the offer and what was floated was the amount to compensate the other teams for the change. Without the agreement from others they could never choose to not cut an Aus team.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Or is it a better functioning team around them that makes them better?

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

The point is not that he’s got something wrong. We all do. Especially as things unfold and we don’t know the full truth at the time.

He’s been informed repeatedly and chooses to ignore them to present a fictional narrative.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Jez. The thing is, they aren’t doing nothing.

They cut a team for 2018. They’re changing the structure for 2021.

People love to say that RA refuse to do anything but they’ve changed so much since 2013.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Yes.

They’ve improved from where they were.

Now they need to continue to improve.

Seven talking points from Super Rugby Round 18

Yeah there’s some excuses for lack of rotation for some Rebels players (lack of available alternatives), but Ruru for example played 255 minutes across the season. No excuse to play Genia so many minutes. Especially as his form was poor the entire second half of the season.

They lacked 10 options so Quade had to be played into the ground. And injuries timed with Under 20s affected lock/back row options at certain periods. But beyond that there was ample opportunity to manage the workloads of players and Wessels failed to do that.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

I think Meakes and English were definitely better in 2019 than 2018. Possibly Philip and Rangi too.

It was the big paid, big names like Coleman, Hodge, DHP and Genia that were probably worse across 2019.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Those conditions were:

– RA obligated to give the Force equal to what Forrest offered. RA then lack full control of money donated as it’s in the ARF. So immediately. No better off financially. Actually worse off;
– RA obligated to give up some control of Wallaby distributions. Meaning they can’t prioritise the primary income driver.

Potentially leaves RA in a worse position. The only positive was Forrest to take the liability for any Force losses. But they’d still be liable for the 4 that they are now. So no better off than they currently are.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Hope he gets a bumper pay day. Great career. Luck with injuries is the only reason he didn’t play more international rugby.

Christian Lealiifano to depart Australian Rugby

Safe to say Debra’s comments point to an unsolved puzzle

Not really. We need a level below Super Rugby. We have one that’s slowly improving. We desperately need more money to make it what it needs to be though.

Remember Debreczeni last played NRC in 2016. He’s comparing the Mitre 10 Cup to the 3rd season of NRC.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Hope you don’t like watching prime time rugby…

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

Or maybe the teams appointing these coaches…?

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

So it’s RA’s fault that the States, who are the shareholders who can turf RA management, are poor at what they do?

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return

After having 3 teams in contention with 2 rounds to spare we’ve trailed off and only ended up with 1.

Things have improved since 2017. So now the question is what’s needed to improve further?

I’d say coaching for sure as a first port of call. The Rebels could do good things, but their defence needs to improve and Wessels made some errors. I’d say Kevin Foote needs to be replaced and Wessels needs to make the hard decisions around selecting top players. The team was never the same once DHP was wedged back in. Wessels rode Genia and Cooper into the ground. You’d dismiss Cooper on the back of lack of 10 options available all year but Genia shouldn’t have been played so much. Ruru played his best when given game time in 2018, yet Wessels had him on the field for one third of the game time compared to last year.

The Wrap: Only one Australian finalist a poor Super Rugby return