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Gday Macca, I’m back and I can’t say I’m pleased to tell you that I have been proven completly right in everything I’ve said to you about the Carlton Football Club since the rebuild began. I said it would be a failure, I said all along that the board/coach were trying to drive false hope to the supporters rather than facing reality and I said a weak attitude and culture within the club would hold us back from winning games even once the “kids” started to grow. Well they’ve arrived and bar a few, hardly any of them have reached their full potential and improved over the last few years. Finally the media have caught onto everything I’ve been saying. I knew it would be a failure right from the beginning. We the supporters were promised “gradual improvement” year by year, yet we have gotten worse and no one has been held accountable. No one in this pathetic club has looked in the mirror and asked themselves “am I doing everything I can to bring this club back to where it belongs”. The board lives in a fantasy world, they think everything is going perfect, they think the rebuild just has to work and are too narrow minded to try anything different once their plan starts to fail. The supporters are sick of it, we are sick of seeing our football club continue to tarnish its reputation among the rest of the competition day by day, we have won 3 of our past 36 matches, we haven’t scored 100 points in our past 59 matches. However bad we were going in 2015 under Mick, we were NEVER stuck in situation we are in now. There was NO need for a rebuild in the first place both on and off the field and yes I say off it. Our soft, pethetic culture about being “nice” and “sticking together” and “being patient” has gotten us nowhere, there are mear excuses that I could see through right from the start all so the administration could buy time. No matter how badly we continue perform, this current administration is never going to change track, it us up to us to fight back. We have fools running our football club starting with the president right down to the coach and they are spreading their disease onto the players, which are trying their best but DON’T KNOW HOW TO WIN, nor are they tallented enough ever challenge for a flag. Our list overhall has produced 2 or 3 possible A grade starts and a bunch of misfits, Silvangi’s GWS obsession has failed and he needs to go if he can’t lift his game.

Macca we are the laughing stock of the AFL, when are you going to realise that our football club as it stands is barey capable of even winning a game let alone challenging for the finals. We have tried our hardest, but basic skill errors have cost us in all four games, whats worse is how we seem to play good footy for the first 2 quarters but then turn to mud when the game is on the line. This shows it is as much mental as it is physical. I was once a supporter of Bolton, but he has to go. His plan clearly isn’t working, he isn’t getting the best out of the players and doesn’t have the hard edge to get in the heads of the players like other coaches do. We need ruthless people to run our footy club to turn the promising kids into men, we need ruthless people to start recruiting aggressively and make Carlton an attractive place to come so we can get the best players rather than mediocre scraps. Like we did with Judd back in 07, we were a young team who had been on the bottom for a while due to poor administration (mainly due to Collins) but we dug ourselves out of it by bringing back the real Carlton culture once Pratt and Sticks arrived. Yeah we were hated once we poached Judd but you know what we actually started winning games and playing finals, we got a decent coach in Ratten who brought about a new confidence and swagger into the team not seen since the late 90’s.

Unfortunately we are in a similar situation as what we were in the mid 2000’s, I pray to god their is a messiah out there who can rescue this once mighty football club from the brink of disaster.

Brendon Bolton and Stephen Silvagni are dead men walking at Carlton

Hey Macca still waiting for a response to you on the previous Carlton article. Hopefully you’ve finally come round to realise the tragic state our footy clubs in

Brendon Bolton, it's time to pack your bags

Gday Macca, I’m back and I can’t say I’m pleased to tell you that I have been proven completly right in everything I’ve said to you about the Carlton Football Club since the rebuild began. I said it would be a failure, I said all along that the board/coach were trying to drive false hope to the supporters rather than facing reality and I said a weak attitude and culture within the club would hold us back from winning games even once the “kids” started to grow. Well they’ve arrived and bar a few, hardly any of them have reached their full potential and improved over the last few years. Finally the media have caught onto everything I’ve been saying. I knew it would be a failure right from the beginning. We the supporters were promised “gradual improvement” year by year, yet we have gotten worse and no one has been held accountable. No one in this pathetic club has looked in the mirror and asked themselves “am I doing everything I can to bring this club back to where it belongs”. The board lives in a fantasy world, they think everything is going perfect, they think the rebuild just has to work and are too narrow minded to try anything different once their plan starts to fail. The supporters are sick of it, we are sick of seeing our football club continue to tarnish its reputation among the rest of the competition day by day, we have won 3 of our past 36 matches, we haven’t scored 100 points in our past 59 matches. However bad we were going in 2015 under Mick, we were NEVER stuck in situation we are in now. There was NO need for a rebuild in the first place both on and off the field and yes I say off it. Our soft, pethetic culture about being “nice” and “sticking together” and “being patient” has gotten us nowhere, there are mear excuses that I could see through right from the start all so the administration could buy time. No matter how badly we continue perform, this current administration is never going to change track, it us up to us to fight back. We have fools running our football club starting with the president right down to the coach and they are spreading their disease onto the players, which are trying their best but DON’T KNOW HOW TO WIN, nor are they tallented enough ever challenge for a flag. Our list overhall has produced 2 or 3 possible A grade starts and a bunch of misfits, Silvangi’s GWS obsession has failed and he needs to go if he can’t lift his game.

Macca we are the laughing stock of the AFL, when are you going to realise that our football club as it stands is barey capable of even winning a game let alone challenging for the finals. We have tried our hardest, but basic skill errors have cost us in all four games, whats worse is how we seem to play good footy for the first 2 quarters but then turn to mud when the game is on the line. This shows it is as much mental as it is physical. I was once a supporter of Bolton, but he has to go. His plan clearly isn’t working, he isn’t getting the best out of the players and doesn’t have the hard edge to get in the heads of the players like other coaches do. We need ruthless men to run our footy club to turn the promising kids into men, we need ruthless men to start recruiting aggressively and make Carlton an attractive place to come so we can get the best players rather than mediocre scraps. Like we did with Judd back in 07, we were a young team who had been on the bottom for a while due to poor administration (mainly due to Collins) but we dug ourselves out of it by bringing back the real Carlton culture once Pratt and Sticks arrived. Yeah we were hated once we poached Judd but you know what we actually started winning games and playing finals, we got a decent coach in Ratten who brought about a new confidence and swagger into the team not seen since the late 90’s.

Unfortunately we are in a similar situation as what we were in the mid 2000’s, I pray to god their is a messiah out there who can rescue this once mighty football club from the brink of disaster.

Brendon Bolton and Stephen Silvagni are dead men walking at Carlton

Macca, I expect a full and completely apology from you towards me. Saying I’ve “got no points” even though everything I’ve said starting from the board has to change. Carlton has a serious problem. The team is disastrous and as for the players we have let go.. well you could literally make a supercoach team of the guys we’ve gotten rid of. Betts, Waite, Kennedy, Jacobs, Gibbs, Garlett, Henderson, Touhy.

If you’ve been up to date with the media today you’ll find a lot of Carlton fans have SIMPLY had enough with being such a shithouse football club. To lose week after week the way we have with no heart, no effort and no passion for the Carlton jersey is most disturbing. These are the same fans you said quote “have to change”. Perhaps you have to change and start seeing through the crap which our board is saying.

Even after another heavy defeat like last night, where is the message of encouragement from this lunatic? Where is the apology to the blues fans for having to watch this garbage week after week? And you reckon I’ve got no idea? If your saying that then your saying basically the whole footy world outside the footy club has no idea. So come on Macca, put things right and apologise to me and admit your wrong. Especially for calling me the “ult right” and saying that someone like me would make us extinct. We virtually are at the moment and literally become the 2018 version of Fitzroy..

North Melbourne Kangaroos vs Carlton Blues: AFL live scores, highlights

Interesting, MattybRaps I’ve read is seen to be of a spoilt, arrogant sort of child.

Is it time to start again?

Wrong again Macca, your becoming consistant.

The article is basically stating all my points and arguments I’ve been saying for the last day here. How we made mistakes in the past going back years and because of those mistakes it has resulted in the relatively new administration of Louguidence and co making some very un-Carlton like changes, including rebuilding which in the process has lost our status at a “Big 4” club and are unlikely to ever return to that.

These changes lost not just our identity but also our fans too.
Unlike his article though which is written from a neutral’s perspective, I have actually outlined proposals to make us a big 4 club once again, reuinite the blues fans in this tough period and at the same time bringing about sustained success. It seems however you are incapable for reading between my lines which is a skill I was taught back in high school but you obviously haven’t learned so here is a summary of what I hinted at in 1800 words….

1. Sack the board
2. Trade aggressively (unlike with Gibbs)
3. Stop relying on the draft
4. Build a core team by not delisting players year after year
5. Listen to the supporters needs (through membership forums etc)
6. Stop playing home games at Etihad stadium
7. Have a message that is echoed from the board, to the coaches, to the players and then to the supporters- EVERYONE ON THE SAME PAGE
8. Talk to the media more so they understand what we are doing

And yes ALL these things are achievable with a strong board and yes they would help the club, in fact make the club even stronger. All I have outlined is mixing the attitudes of Collingwood/Essendon, applying them with the onfield attitude of Geelong/Hawthorn and topped it all off with the historical views of Carlton. Not that hard Macca…

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Have a read of this Macca,

Seems I’m not alone in what I say: https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/04/11/carlton-hype-good-bad-fake-news/

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But Col if you have got a membership card wouldn’t that make you a member?

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Hmm, not too sure what you mean by that Matty.

I feel like you’ve confused my definition of supporter vs barracker so I’m not too sure what your trying to say here…

Seems to be about a different issue to what I was saying, but there are a lot of blues fans too who aren’t members simply because they can’t afford it, live in other states, can’t get to games, it doesn’t make them love the club any less though. I’ll let you decide what category these people fall in because it seems to be a different definition to mine.

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Thanks Matty, glad you can see where I am coming from.

Its interesting too about supporters and barrackers, never really looked at it that way. Of course I’d consider myself more of a supporter because I can see things from both points of view and use that to construct whether the current plan is doing the best possible thing for our footy club.

Macca, perfectly fits the barracker, which is why he sides with the footy club in all his discussions. He reckons I’ve got no evidence or points even though I’ve got a 1,800 word article and a days worth of comments all out laying my points?? It seems he can’t see things from anyone elses point of view other than his own.

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Ok I think we’ll leave things there

You seem to have completely missed my point which is the problem with our administration and why there are so many disinterested Carlton fans around.

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Well ok he might have been a winger/forward, but he was better than many of the current players.

And yes O’Brian, De Koning and Kennedy may be crumbs if they end up getting delisted like we seem to have done with all our other recruits over the last few years. I feel for Kennedy because he is another one in the GWS package who will probably get delisted like the other ones we’ve had and bring in another batch of draft picks..

Your arguments echo the club and you seem to support the clubs policies which is ok as everyone is entitled to their opinion. It would be interesting to see your reaction however if we had someone in office who thought like me. How did you think back in the 90’s and 80’s mate? Did you support the Elliott administration like you support this one or were you still the ult left of the Carlton football club back then as well?
As for ult right, well, I’d rather call it loving my football club Macca and I suggest you do too.

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Grant Ashton don’t think you are alone. You are just like most Carlton fans I have spoken too. Macca lives in a dazed, delusional world. Unfortunately all this board does is dream, they can’t guarantee anything and have taken some risks which don’t seem to be paying off. They are only saying these things in hope that they will quickly turn around and will continue to say them in 5 years time when we are still fumbling around on the bottom of the ladder.

What Macca doesn’t mention but I am happy you have, is the reserves… They got belted on the weekend, yet I don’t think all the players are bad though, I think when you have weak losers around the footy club delivering weak uninspiring messages week after week it starts to effect all players and is why players always seem to be better once they pull on another clubs jersey. Bolton is a smart man, however he is forced to say this garbage about being patient each week guided to him from the board.

These current clowns don’t listen to us at all, they don’t understand us and they don’t understand our footy club. This “patience” process may wash on St Kilda fans, but never has and never will on Carlton fans.

Unfortunately Grant the current leadership are all talk and no action and are incapable of making things happen. But don’t worry, myself and and a small group of friends are in contact with some former Carlton legends at the moment and if things keep up how they are on field then we will fight hard to overthrow the board and appoint a new administration who WILL LISTEN to Carlton fans, make Carlton a feared power once again and will quickly bring about SUSTAINED success at Carlton to deliver a our 17th flag as quickly as possible to bring the club back to where it belongs. I guarantee, in writing, once the a tougher administration takes over the players will start playing for the jumper and you my friend will love your club once again!!

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I’m glad you asked andyl112. I consider our supporters exactly the same as those 2 clubs, if not more desired for intermediate success. Unfortunately over the years the media has labelled us the worst of those 2 and have continuously called for a change in culture which is another factor of this current “soft leadership” unlike Collingwood and Essendon who have been able to attract fans year after year despite not being much better than Carlton in the last 15 years.

As well as being a long time blues fan, I’ve been studying the fans of AFL football for the last 5 years now and after surveying many fans at the footy for that period of time, the results have been pretty consistent that despite the rebuild and the boards cause for a change of culture that Carlton fans have kept the same attitude. When I posed on a scale of 1 to 10 asking Carlton fans how “important is short term success?” in 2013 I got an 8/10 on average and asking this week at the Collingwood game I still got an average of 6/10 despite the messages and many blues fans were not approving of the current board. Compare that with Melbourne fans I asked at the MCG last year who on average only said 2/10. Carlton fans have always been a different breed because they are used to success, yet our board are completely oblivious to these stats. When your losing games, somehow the board has to keep Carlton fans motivated and at the moment they haven’t been doing a good job.

We often use the term “big 4” clubs which Carlton used to be apart of. Yet despite 5 years on the bottom of the ladder between 2002-2007 Carlton were still considered a big 4 club because from 2004 onward there was that hope among blues fans which the board delivered that the good times would return, however it has only been during the Louguidence administration that Carlton’s place in the “big 4” has been seriously questioned. I guarantee it is not just because of results either.

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In essence we actually got Lachie O’Brian and Tom De Konging. I highly doubt either of them will turn out to be as good as Gibbs. How am I rediclious for saying I would have preferred Bryce Gibbs in a Carlton jersey than 2 draftees who probably won’t even play AFL football this year???!!!

Macca, I like having these discussions as we can both challenge each others opinions openly, however I’d suggest instead of blindly siding with what our club says, it would be smarter if you actually had some thoughts for your self instead of just believing everything the club wants you to think. Perhaps you should start questioning everything that has happened over the last few years and ask yourself, is this the best thing for our footy club? Is it worth damaging our reputation this much just for a faded hope that somehow we’ll rise up the ladder in the next few years and win the flag. Or would it be better to stop wasting precious time which other clubs are using to get further ahead of us and devise a new plan which will give blues fans more hope in the foreseeable future than just Charlie Curnow.

They are manipulating you mate and it has completely clouded your thinking and in the process you’ve lost touch with reality which has been proven with the Gibbs argument. But I am going to help you see thinks for what they are so you can get a grip and see these anti Carlton people for who they are and help overthrow the board.

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Is that actually in the clubs constitution? I never knew that..

Then how come Elliott lasted 20 years?? Seems a bit odd

2012 was not Ratten’s fault, I’m with you there. Ratten was a very good coach and was extremely cross to see him go considering all the injuries we had, but still Kernahan knew the Carlton fans. He said “top 4” at the start of the year and failed to deliver. No one at the end of 2012 Col thought Mick would be the disaster he was. He was a proven premiership coach from a few years back and most of us thought he’d be the cream on top to winning a flag. It wasn’t to be, but that happens in footy, still with a decent coach like we have now, I don’t know why so much has had to change.

I’m not going to go on and on about Princes Park, but I will say that if the club invested into making it a 35K stadium then it would be perfect for AFL games. It would probably only cost a bit more than the current upgrade anyway.

“While our on field success over the last 2 and a bit seasons under Bolton has not been great, the club did advise members it would be 3 years at least before our rebuild would see us competing for higher ladder positions.”- That message doesn’t wash too well with a lot of Carlton fans I’m afraid. Its not like that went to a member vote either, it was just an idea which a few individuals came up with and thought it would be best for our footy club. With long term ambitions like that you can’t say its been successful either.

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Bolton is delivering a good game plan Macca which his players haven’t been able to execute properly. I do like the idea of defence first and focusing more on attack this season. I like the logic a lot but have been disgusted in how the lads have executed it.

When you say “delisted”, I don’t remember restricting it to that wording in my article. I meant overall including trades which is a hole we’ve only tried to fill in the draft. Only exceptions I’ll make in this are retirees.

Troy Menzel- Quality small forward, kicked over a goal a game, should never have let him go to Adelaide

Dylan Buckley- One of my favourite players, young too, still baffles me why we’d delist such a young talent in favor of another one who will take longer to develop?

Blain Boakhurst- A top draft pick, again no explanation why he was delisted, could have been a star by now..

Chris Yarren- Tallented half back flanker, speedy, would have starred in Boltons game plan unlike Micks

Liam Sumner- Played some really good games across the half back line last year with Plowman, not sure what happened to him either?

Bryce Gibbs- Should have played hard ball with him, another sign of weakness from our club, arguably our best player and we just let him go for crumbs

All these players by now could have been genuinely B grade players (in Gibbs case A grade) if we’d been smarter with out list and not turned over so many players. The rebuild could have been complete by now if we’d hang on to some of those 2015 players. Yet we decided to start all over again. I’ll forever maintain that many of those players had bad years cause of Malthouse yet our board never saw it that way and decided to make drastic decisions which have lead to a much longer rebuild than it should have been.

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Thanks for the feedback Paul, really do appreciate it. I’m pleased too that you do challenge my points which I spent a lot of time researching which have really been the key points as a supporter like myself feels towards the current situation. I was hoping for a higher rating, but at the same time I can understand why you’d give it a 3. I probably did wander and go a bit off script at times so it was a bit hard to understand my general gist too so it is easy to attack certain points.

I was really trying to get the broad point of view out there as best as I could so you’d understand where I’m coming from. Carlton fans do think differently then other clubs fans based on a past attitude which involved winning at all costs. Administrations such as the Harris/Elliott ones which lasted 40 years shaped the attitude of our footy club and did bring about results, it also shaped our supporters. You’ll understand some of this more by reading this article from a few months ago: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-blues-fans-lack-the-fire-of-the-tigers-20180216-p4z0lz.html

Yet I am challenging the fact that Carlton needs a new type of supporter, I believe that it is very hard to change the way people think and that there are probably up to 20,000 blues fans who have lost interest in the club. People who think this was would become even more disinterested when the club is on a rebuild and delivering a “patience” game. My solution is for the club on the outside to have an attitude which is appealing to the older generation fans while at the same time continuing the rebuild. I GUARANTEE that if we used a bit of the old Carlton to appeal to the fans then they would be a bit more patient and we could actually buy some more time to do the job properly. Unfortunately if the board keeps going on and on about rebuilding and not winning games than those statements will just grow the impatience of fans.

Go back to 1991. Carlton was in trouble and the fans were growing impatient, the blues wouldn’t win the flag until 1995, 4 years! The club went 8 years without any success. Yet Elliott used the smart ploy by saying to the fans “We don’t rebuild at Carlton, but we could do with a bloody good renovation”. Those words got fans believing and I think it got the players believing too. We bought in a lot of new players around that time like today, many of the stars from the 80’s had retired and in the early 90’s bought in kids such as McKay, Kouta, Ratten, Sexton, Christou….
Yet despite doing a similar thing today, the fans don’t seem to be believing and when the fans don’t believe the players will stop believing. I remember Elliott also used to go into the change rooms and encourage the players as well, while our current President hardly speaks to them at all. Just little things like that would make the world of difference.

In short, in order for Carlton to continue its rebuild smoothly it must win its supporters back to unite the club once again. What we need is energy within the club once again to feed the Carlton tribe with that feeling of success even when it isn’t apparent like Eddie is doing with Collingwood despite having a list no better than ours. I am convinced that our current board are incapable of that. Only the strong survive at Carlton and you can’t say Louguidence is a man of strength.

Hope that helps get my point across Paul. Also this is the document of the blueprint (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2011-03-10/the-blue-print) again something our board hasn’t even thought to follow.

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Well I hate to disappoint you Macca, but as for “this year was always going to be a bottom 4 finish.” I don’t think anyone in the media expected the club to go backwards and even if they did it wouldn’t have been at the rates we have losing to both Gold Coast and Collingwood (bottom 4 teams in my opinion).

On the 27th of February, Bolton said this “This year is about having absolutely no ceiling,” ““I’ve never heard our players more passionate including Murph, Cripps, Simpson and Docherty.”, “We want to climb and we want to climb quickly.”. If you are right that the internal message within the club was a bottom 4 finish, then there must be some sort of break down between coach, board and players.

Also have you been watching shows such as Talking Footy and Footy Clasified? Caro was ripping into us about our list management decisions, Lloyd said “there are a lot of Carlton supporters who are frustrated and upset by the development” and Judd (from a board perspective btw) was making excuses to cover up how slow the development has been which comes back to the things I said in my article. Macca- the experts think our club is a joke and doesn’t seem to be going anywhere in the future. I don’t agree with all of it but saying we should be banished from Friday night games etc is really disappointing that we’ve have a system in place, no matter what happens in the long term, which has allowed us to be seen in such a shocking way throughout the last 4 years.

If your claiming to know more about this Carlton team than me, the journo’s, former players, “impatient” Carlton supporters and the wider footy public then you’ll be proven to be some sort of genius that should be on these footy shows, because unfortunately mate, apart from the true blues fans, no one can see it and most reckon our “rebuild” has gone backwards.

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Macca- ” If they don’t it is the fans that need to change not the board.”- Seriously? This is a democratic football club, not a dictatorship. We pay out money each year to support a football team we love and in return we want to at leased have some in put on what takes place. Football clubs don’t even exist without their fans and if you said that to any member I guarantee they wouldn’t sign up. The board represents the fans, not the other way round. And yes there are a lot of fans out there who don’t agree with the current situation, just like there are a lot who do agree like you do.

“This is simply not true, we’ve had more than 5-10 players retire through age or injury catching up alone and then another 5-10 who requested a trade away before we even got to the players who were “struggling”.- We went a bit overboard on the list rebuild, thats all that means. It was completely un-necessary to turn over the amount of players we did. Many of the ones we traded have become stars at other clubs, many still had time a few years to play, the ones who were struggling were effected under the Malthouse game plan and would have flourished under Bolton and geez I wonder why so many players requested a trade? Couldn’t be anything to do with the culture of the club could it?

” A return will never happen without an upgrade and even then it is unlikely but more importantly it isn’t up to Carlton, it is up to the AFL.”- Hey Macca, how many games have you enjoyed going to at Etihad in the last 10 years? Carlton fans hate the place and I’ve already said in the past if games aren’t possible at Princes Park then we should play all our games at the MCG, but it seems the board can’t even negotiate that for the supporters.

“It might see a few extra losses along the way but it will pay off in time, to reference the 76ers we need to “trust the process” and not lament over things that happened back in 2014 or before.”- If thats the case then why even watch the games this year? You can’t even say for certain that this re build will lead to something great, weren’t we meant to improve this year? Seems our skill level has gotten worse. Even if there are a few exciting players, it takes a whole team to be up to standard to win a flag. Many of the “exciting” draftees over the rebuild have already failed; Wietering, Silvangi and Marchbank have all struggled, even if they were the only poor players, opposition teams take advantage of that, Carlton though has a lot more players. I’m wondering mate when we have a WHOLE team who can each execute their role.

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I agree mate, but as I’ve said, the plan shouldn’t be to go back in the past because that certainly won’t work in the modern attitudes, but in the past the blues certainly played the system at the time best. Essendon and Collingwood as you say have tried to go back in the past which hasn’t helped them at all with the pies having not been in finals for 5 years and Essendon not having even won a final for almost 15 years. However their culture and attitude has delivered large numbers through the door each year and turned them into “destination clubs”. Carlton needs to find some middle ground.

What Carlton needs to do is adopt a similar system to Hawthorn or Geelong which involves sustained success. As we’ve seen with Hawthorn who despite missing the finals look set to achieve the quickest rebuild in AFL history. Geelong back in 2015 had 1 year out of the 8 before bouncing back into the top 4. Carlton needs to adopt those same sort of attitudes and deliver sustained success for its fans. I don’t think this administration has this mind set. I do think a lot of players though have promise and I’ve always been a big supporter of the coach and his game style.

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Yes were all so happy Macca….

Couldn’t be more excited to see us lose by 7 goals next week against North and take home the spoon

Won’t beat 1 team producing that crap

2018's two surprise packets, and three teams who can starting planning for next year

Haha Paul, nothing better than when we knocked off the pies in rd 7 seeing Eddies face after the game!

I’m also sure Matty and other dogs fans enjoyed getting seeing Elliott’s face whenever they beat us after the “tragic” comment

Trigg resigns as Carlton boss

” Membership fluctuates with team performance, those disinterested fans all jump on board once the wins start coming”- Ok we’ll use your method then, you even said yourself in 2011 we were a kick of a prelim final and well and truly building towards a top 4 finish in 2012 yet we only had around 42k members in 2011 and only managed 45k in 2012 yet Collingwood was in the high 70’s that year and have continued to remain around there despite the teams performance. Membership doesn’t get determined around wins and losses, while it helps, it isn’t the most important thing, look at Richmond they had 53K members in 2012 and finished 12th and were hovering around the finals like we were for a few years maintaining around the mid 60’s. Culture is the most important thing at a football club and it has been very dis-encouraging at Carlton for the best part of 15 years now.

“By the way community programs is a very good way to build your membership.” did I ever say it wasn’t, of course we keep doing those things, I only said that in this period of time we need to be less focused on that and putting more energy on the commercial side so we can have someone at the top who can attract sponsors, give us more Friday night matches and make profits on the financial side which is an aspect that Lethlan would do a much better job than Trigg at doing.

Trigg resigns as Carlton boss

Macca I don’t think I can agree with Matty more on this mate…

All I can say is about time too! People reckon I’m crazy the way I talk about the Carlton Football Club but there are thousands of dis interested Carlton supporters that feel the same way, for a supposed big 4 club like us to struggle to attract 50k members shows that his way was unpopular in the culture of Carlton to the fans, I’m one of those fans. Trigg in his defence did do a good job of rebuilding the club when we hit rock bottom in 2015 but if we are to continue to rise within the next few years then were going to need a more aggressive CEO who is less interested in community programs and more interested in winning games of football and rising the membership like the President said on SEN this morning.

Look he was handled very poorly and by the way Logiudice spoke this morning here are obvious cracks there between the 2 which he did a bad job of hiding by the way he struggled to answer direct questions especially about whether we were chasing Leathlan, but that is a more personal issue. We just need to make sure we can get the messiah or else this move could come back to haunt us. Yeah to the general outsider this sounds like another loss to our club, but the average blues fan would be pretty happy with the news that we are ready to take the next step into shaping us to be a finals team. If we happen to land Leathlan I might actually buy a membership for the first time since 2012. If outsiders can’t deal with the fact that we are doing everything to become great again then thats their problem and by outsiders I mean Caro

Trigg resigns as Carlton boss