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Very disappointing to hear. He was excellent in that bulldogs game last year, where he kicked 7 goals and played his best game to date. I was hoping to see him play in the opening round because Carlton have recruited a match winning forward they have not had for years. Hopefully he is not out for too long. McKay and McGovern will really need to step up in his absence but Betts and Martin should also alleviate this. Carlton will have a very potent forward line when Curnow returns.

Blues lose Curnow for start of AFL season

I guess both st kilda and fremantle are rubbish then. Both sides won the same number of games and st kilda’s weak squad managed to end fremantle’s chance of playing finals last year along with carlton, melbourne and gc.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

So what was it that you were doing? If your way of forming arguments is anything to go by, then you have no authority at all in this discussion lol. Practice what you preach mate.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

The burden of proof is with you and you have so far failed to provide any compelling arguments for why the recruiting strategy was wrong last year. Who cares if they didn’t draft many players last year in a compromised draft anyway. I am pretty sure 2019 was not the only year the draft started…correct me if I am wrong on that. King and Bytel were highly rated in the 2018 draft and they have not played yet so I am pretty sure drafting is a thing at St Kilda contrary to what you believe.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

It seems some people are too soft and don’t like being confronted about their comments in this forum. Too bad. You said something I didn’t agree with so I challenged it. It honestly doesn’t even matter that Fremantle entered this discussion because it is actually useful to compare the two sides that finished with the same number of wins and used similar approaches with trading in the past few years. I think people have more of problem with you in general bringing them up in every article irrespective of this one. That doesn’t really matter to me because people should be allowed to write whatever they want on here, even if it is beyond the scope of the article. I responded because I wanted to have a discussion comparing St Kilda and Fremantle’s trade strategies in recent times because I think they have been similar. The author of this article actually appreciated that because he said he will write another article about Fremantle soon.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

I think a lot of recruiting was by design and a lot of investigation went into it. Hill said he was contacted during the season about a possible move to St Kilda after the deal was finished. That means that it was clearly planned way in advance rather than just some random choice like you are suggesting. What is wrong with recruiting so called “older” players anyway?

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

It will be interesting to see how they go in the first few weeks of the season. The season could be over by r5 if they don’t get those important early wins. Hopefully they can surprise everybody but I am tempering my expectations. You just get sick of seeing disappointment every year so hopefully this year will be different . I think u are right that the internal development of the existing squad is where most of the improvement will be derived from in the end .

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

You have been commenting on this website for far longer than me and I have noticed it is you who has the much greater tendency to change the topic of discussion in articles to Fremantle, even though most of the time the articles have nothing to do with freo. I have only been commenting since December 2019 so it too short a time for u to draw that conclusion about me. Nice try though

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

That’s the spirit. Towing the same line all the time is boring . It is fun to stir up the hornets nest than just stick to formula …

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

And how is this a problem? Fremantle did that two years ago when they brought in all these players so I suppose you are saying they made the wrong moves too then

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

I think you are comparing apples and oranges mate. Neale is one of the best midfielders in the league now and was already very good when he played at Fremantle. Neale was only in his mid 20s when he left Fremantle and is now playing career best football at Brisbane. The Neale trade easily warranted a 1st round pick. That has nothing to do with Fremantles ability to negotiate or get deals done. If anything they failed and let one of the best mids in the league leave for an unknown quantity draft pick. The Steven situation was completely different. He is at the end of his career, past his prime and then there are his reported personal problems. I think at best st kilda could have extracted an 3rd round pick for him, which I believe Geelong didn’t have anyway. They could have held him to contract but that would be bad optics and o am sure there is a lot more to that deal than meets eye. Are you saying u have all the facts and information about all these trades and know everything about right down to the contract details? From what you have said, u seem to believe u are some kind of authority when it comes to trading . If freo were as good as you make out them out to be with trading and managing players, they wouldn’t be losing all these great players to other clubs anyway.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Of course. They would be laughing all the way to the bank if they could trade a solid player for pick 2 in the draft. Freo already had pick 5 in the 2017 draft and that had nothing to do with trading weller to the gc. You are making it out like freo acquired pick 2 and 5 from the gc for just one player. That’s not what happened. I think Freo just got lucky in that instance that one of their players wanted to go back Queensland. I have a feeling a deal like that won’t happen again for a long time so I am not too worried about st kilda or any other team for that matter being able to pull something like that off. GC were in a bad situation and desperate to attract good players that wanted to actually play for them so fremantle just took advantage of that in negotiations, which every team should do anyway in such a situation.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Yeah well Fremantle and St Kilda both won the same amount of games last year so I guess both lists are mediocre then according to some. I actually think Freo have a pretty decent list and they should have made finals last year but they lost to melbourne, essendon and carlton in close games. Every team has had misses in the draft so I am not saying this is unique to freo.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Personal? It is not my problem if there are some people on this website that are too soft to handle being called out. This goes both ways too so if people want to call me out on what i say, then be my guest. I honestly don’t care. You are entitled to think whatever you want but i am just merely providing an alternative opinion to yours. If you think the saints are no good, then fine. Good for you.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Cerra and Brayshaw were acquired in the 2017 draft. Fremantle recruited Hogan and Lobb in the 2018 trade period. Freo’s 4d chess moves are not as good as you make them out to be. What you said is nice in principle but i don’t think it works that way. You didn’t acquire Hogan, Lobb, Brayshaw and Cerra in the same trade and draft year. That was done over two years. I never said Hogan was not a good player but my problem is st kilda has used a similar approach to fremantle to solve some of their list problems but you think it is stupid whilst praising the genius of fremantle’s strategy.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Not really. As far as I am concerned you and the other guy were just taking pot shots like you usually do and it is naive of you to not expect a response and for people to call you out on your opinions. If you are going to reproach a team I like, then I am going to tell you about it. It seems you are the one who has taken exception to my comments. The sentiment that st kilda’s list is just mediocre without any explanation or discussion warrants what I said. There also seems to be an underlying hostility or passive aggressiveness in these comments too about st kilda. I don’t care if people hate or pity st kilda because it certainly appears a lot of people do but that doesn’t mean they can just say whatever they want without any challenge.For all I know their current strategy is flawed but at least I have provided an opinion to the contrary based on a proper argument unlike some other people who just make sweeping statements without any reasoning or very flawed reasoning

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

I am not saying they will win the premiership and you are right. At the end of the day winning the premiership is all that matters. Nobody remembers the losers. I think Richmond and WC will still be in contention for the next couple of seasons until their best players begin to naturally decline. I think though you cannot just sit on your backside and do nothing either. You have to try to constantly improve your list. I think all st kilda supporters want at the moment is to first see a return to finals. Whether the list has to quality to do that this year or next year is another question but I think they do if everything goes right. I do agree that I think they will not make it this year but it should always be on the agenda. This is a cultural problem more than a personnel problem at st kilda imo. Ratts is trying to change this. The culture has been accepting of failure for too long and I think this culture of mediocrity is why there have been a lot of problems at st kilda for many years. I hope the new regime is able to change this and I think they are actively trying to do this.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Is that your expert opinion on this matter? All the best kids in last years draft were already taken by GC and GWS. Hard to get the best players in a compromised draft. You would hope for Freo’s sake that they nailed all their draft picks because their drafting has been pretty hit and miss in recent years. But didn’t fremantle do something similar though in the 2018 trade period by recruiting all these players like Lobb and Hogan into the club? Why didn’t Fremantle do as you suggested in 2018 when they brought in all those players instead of going to the draft? You implied with your comment that clubs should always be going to the draft and getting the so called best kids but this strategy is flawed. All the best clubs have a mix of recruiting and drafting to improve the quality of the list. St Kilda already went to the draft for a few years. Why is it bad that St Kilda tried to be a player in the trade period but it isn’t an issue for your club? It seems your club can do no wrong. They just get everything right. I think St Kilda got what they wanted and needed in last year’s trade period. A great wing man/midfielder in Hill, Jones is a useful player that will solve the outside run problem, Howard is there to replace Brown and showed a lot of promise at Port, Ryder is there to support and teach Marshall and Butler is a good depth player that will appear in the best 22 regularly. All these trades could flop for all everybody knows but taking risks is what you have to do in the afl to get ahead imo so I do not mind it and I think most of these trades will pay off.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

It depends on how you view this. I thought the discussion was about recent times and expectations on the club given they have been rebuilding for 6 years. This article was about their prospects for the 2020 season and it doesn’t really matter how their recent past results factor into next year. If you do want to talk about the results then fine. They won 9 games last year and could easily have won 12. I thought they did alright last year given they had a lot of injury problems to important players and everyone had written them off that they would win the spoon or be close to getting it. And just because the team has been bad for a few years now doesn’t mean they do not have any talent. GWS were belted week after week between 2012-2014 but you wouldn’t say they had a mediocre list. It was a work in progress much like all AFL lists so I do not buy into this idea that the results after reflective of the talent on the list. Collingwood were in a similar position 3 years ago with their list but things finally clicked for them. There are so many other factors to consider. There is talent there but it takes time, development, proper management etc. for the potential to be realised.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

I disagree that their list is mediocre. It certainly requires a bit of polish but to say it is mediocre is not a great analysis. If you are going to make such a statement, giving some supporting evidence would be good otherwise how can anyone take you seriously? Anybody can just say that. I am just calling you out on that. I think they have quite a lot of good young talent that will get better under Ratten. Marshall, Clark, Gresham, Hill etc. are all players that would easily be in the best 22 of every other club. Marshall was one of the best ruckmen in the league last year and it is just a question of whether he can back this up this year. Clark was very impressive in the 2nd half of last year and is definitely a player to keep an eye on. I doubt you even read this article tbh or even know the players I am talking about.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

A bit like your mob were for years, yeah? Do not get too ahead of yourself with the bulldogs. A lot of people seem to think they will be exceptional this year but I am not sold. They were belted by a lot of these so called mediocre teams last year and did not fire a shot in the finals. If they were that good, it would not have taken them until r23 to make finals and they were two losses away from Carlton and Melbourne from not playing altogether. I could easily see the bulldogs slipping out of the 8 this year.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Yeah these are exactly my thoughts. He is a depth player. It is actually surprising he played so many games for St Kilda but I guess when the club was rebuilding they didn’t really have much of a choice. There are a lot of players on St Kilda’s list that will easily replace him. It would be surprising if he was in Carlton’s best 22 every week. Not sure what position he would fill there. I am sure he might be able to provide some experience and leadership but that is about it. I do not think his skills or decision making will make him a regular in Carlton’s squad

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Newnes was shifted around a lot but I think his skills and decision making were honestly atrocious at times. He is certainly useful when he is at his best but I think he has too many limitations and I think it was a good decision by St Kilda to move him on. It is good the club is taking calculated risks that will hopefully pay off. A lot of people said St Kilda were too vanilla and run of the mill for a couple of years but hopefully this perception will change soon enough because it appears that was a problem for many years

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Hi Thomas, what were your thoughts on Richardson resigning as coach in retrospect? You never like to see someone lose their job but I think it was inevitable in the end. He was certainly dealt a very bad hand in 2014 when he took on the job but I felt he was partly responsible for the lack development of players like Billings and Billings should be much better than what he is now. He is just a good player but not the elite player all St Kilda hoping he will become. Under Richo, he had 2 years in 2016 and 2017 to make finals but failed. That Richmond win in 2017 or that Geelong win in 2016 should have been the turning points for the club under his rule but it just didn’t happen. I don’t think he was very inspiring and that is unfortunately I think something that definitely played into the lack of ambition by the players to make finals in those 2 years where they just missed out.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

The midfield I think is not too bad. This so-called substandard midfield smashed the apparently unstoppable Bulldogs midfield in r18 despite the lack of the talent but I do see the point. It could be better and more polished. I think Steele is ready to become an a-grader midfield. He was very good last year but he got injured for a few weeks and I think that set him back. He is the kind of player that could become one of the top mids in the league if he can take the next step. Ross is a b-grade player admittedly and does play some nice games but he should not have won the best and fairest last year. The only reason he won it was due to him playing every game I believe and Marshall missing 3 or 4. He does not have the polish unfortunately. Maybe a player like Clark could be thrown in there to give some x factor.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards