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I agree that they were a let down this year. There was a lot of talk about making the top 4 in 2020 but they were nowhere near it. I remember thinking their trade period in 2019 was overrated and it proved to be right with Bruce being a dud and Keath only being servicable. They did a good job to recover after a rough start to the season to play finals but there is a reason they only beat one top eight side this year by a couple of points and they will need to improve big time to shoot up the ladder to the top 4. The saints are in a similar position to them but I think the Saints have a more balanced list overall in terms of key position. Their achilles heel is their midfield whilst the dogs is their defence.

A speculative look at the next AFL season

The dogs had a good trade period but they only resolved one their list problems in the ruck department by acquiring Martin from Brisbane. They didn’t consolidate their defence by recruiting any key backs to stop the juggernaut forwards, which was probably the area the were most lacking in this year. That might prevent them from reaching the top 4 but I reckon they will back up this year with another finals appearance in 2021. They could fix this by throwing Naughton back into defence but that might compromise their forward line and be asking too much of Ugle-Hagen and Bruce. Treloar will make their midfield more dynamic and it was good they managed to keep Dunkley. They have overall improved their list but they need a good key back to really push for another flag I reckon, assuming they persist with Naughton in the forward line.

A speculative look at the next AFL season

It is tough to predict who will rise and fall next year but I think the top eight will remain pretty much the same as this year in 2021. I think Collingwood will drop out like most are anticipating but I can’t see who else falls out. All the top 8 sides in last month’s trade period only improved their lists except for Collingwood and I think only injuries will prevent those sides from backing up this year with another finals campaign.

Carlton or Melbourne are the most likely to play finals next year from the sides that missed this year but I think the Blues have a lot of upside if they can have a decent run with injuries. They just need to learn to win games when it matters most and be a bit more consistent. Those losses to Hawthorn and Adelaide this year really cost them and they shouldn’t be happening next year if they want to play finals.

A speculative look at the next AFL season

I hope so but top four will require them to become more consistent. They let a top four position slip this year due to losing to sides like North Melbourne, Freo and the Dees in tight matches. Those sort of losses should not be happening next year if they want to improve further. They are much better than those sides mentioned and it was inexcusable they lost those games I remember. I think they are more than capable of doing it with more a experienced side and Ratten’s game plan being more understood by the playing group. I think though they should just focus on backing up this year in a longer season. It will be tougher for them with more sides being aware of what they can do but their list only became better in the off-season with the recruiting of Higgins, Crouch, McKernan and more recently Frawley. If they can nail their drafting with pick 21, then there is no reason why they can’t back up this year in 2021 barring a poor run with injuries. More importantly though, they have the depth to alleviate such a scenario I reckon.

A speculative look at the next AFL season

It just shows Peter Bell isn’t the shrewd operator he is made out to be. Clearly didn’t do his homework when he was buying damaged goods. Hogan had buyer beware written all over him at the time, especially at the cost.

Peter Wright is about to become the prettiest girl at the dance

Yeah he does make a lot of stuff up so he is not to be trusted without any hard evidence to back it up. Said St Kilda were the front runner for Ben Brown a few weeks ago but they have basically shown no interest in him.

Unfair treatment of Adam Treloar will cripple Collingwood

This year has been a write-off for Collingwood in the footy world. Everything has gone wrong for them pretty much. Things couldn’t get much worse if you lose Treloar and Stephenson without getting a good key forward to help innovate a new game plan.

That would be pretty awkward for Treloar if he somehow made his way to Richmond. He would be feeling pretty depressed right now I reckon. I wouldn’t mind if the Saints went after him to provide some explosiveness in the midfield but his price tag is a bit too steep for mine. He should be the last player to be forced out imo. De Goey or Stephenson should go before him and it is baffling how they could do this to a player that loves the club and has provided great service. Something is not right at the club and some changes need to occur to restore some confidence in the system,

Unfair treatment of Adam Treloar will cripple Collingwood

Extraordinary Peter. Collingwood seem to be having a firesale like North at the moment. Collingwood appears to have really messed up with their list management in the past couple of seasons. They were too risk adverse and should have just let Grundy walk for the money he was demanding. They played their hand too soon in that deal and he was honestly expendable in the scheme of things if it would have allowed them to get a good key forward and relieve salary cap pressures. The bloke running the list management might have overrated the list too much and given players more money than they deserved. Losing a heart and soul player like Treloar could gut the club and put them right behind the 8 ball next year.

Unfair treatment of Adam Treloar will cripple Collingwood

It is a pretty tough job being a Saints supporter. Decades of failure and lack of success on-field mean you really need to be committed. I have stuck around to support them though and I will never give up hope even though things can look very bleak at times. Hopefully this decade will be different. I think I heard though a lot of Collingwood players from the 1970 GF never got over it and it mentally destroyed them. Not sure if there is any truth to that but it wouldn’t surprise me.

The Saints have made a grand final in every decade since the 1960s, barring the 80s. They were hanging by a thread in the 1980s and it is quite surprising they survived it. Could easily have gone the way of poor Fitzroy.

Yes, 2009 and 2010 were missed opportunies but so was 2004 and 2005, when they didn’t even make the grand final. Collingwood were the best team all year in 2010 and deserved to be premiers. The standard of football was much better 10 years ago than today and I reckon the Geelong, St Kilda and Collingwood sides of 2009-2011 would wipe the floor with today’s comp.

I am hopeful Ratten will be our next premiership coach. He just seems to know what he is doing and is making the most of his 2nd chance. We just need a bit of luck to go our way for once and I hope this year was not a false dawn like Melbourne in 2018.

Hollow Collingwood celebrations show where we truly stand

27 grand final defeats? That is astounding but at least you have won 15 and lived to see two in 90′ and 2010. That Collingwood 1960s team should have at least one flag in either 64 or 66 or better yet in 1970. That would have been a very difficult grand final loss to process.
St Kilda have played in 8 for one win in 1966. A bit like a poor man’s Collingwood with that record, especially when they should have won in 1971′, 1997 and 2009 or 2010. Surely they will have to win one soon? We live in the age where Richmond and the Bulldogs have won flags in recent years. I will die a happy man if I live to just see one St Kilda premiership in my lifetime.

Hollow Collingwood celebrations show where we truly stand

Yes, it was shocking decision by the club back then. Was so disappointed for Riewoldt after 2010. It was the one that got away and it demoralised the group. It has taken basically 10 years to recover from losing that grand final and leaving Moorabin. You wouldn’t see the good clubs do that. Imagine if Geelong stopped training at Kardinia or Richmond at Punt Road. It definitely damaged the culture and set the club back but fortunately things look on the up. The new facilities at Moorabin look great and it is a good selling point for the club.
It appears the Saints finally have a decent board that has made the right decisions in the past few years. The only decision they really got wrong imo was giving Richo an extension but they quickly rectified this with bringing in Ratten. I just hope this year was not a false dawn for them and they can continue to get better next year. A lot to be optimistic about with them right now.

AFL Trades: Jeremy Cameron to Geelong will be a history-maker

Yes, it defies logic. They have hit rock bottom and I think Brown was within his rights to demand more money and he would help ease the pain until they get some good young talent into the joint. It is an utter train wreck now and they need to salvage what they can from it. You don’t want to instil a culture of failure into a club. My clubs knows that too well over the years and it’s why I have admired North because they always batted above their weight as a small club but it seems that has unravelled at North now and it will damage their identity.

Yeah heard Brown might go to the Dees. 2nd rounder for a forward of his quality is crazy. I have never seen such poor mismanagement from a club and that is saying something. Shocking state of affairs.

Brad Crouch officially requests move to St Kilda

I think Essendon won’t be quite as bad as North and Adelaide but I don’t think they will be getting any better next year. Caldwell has reportedly chosen them to be his new club, which is a good acquistion for them but only based on his potential. You are right that they badly need a big bodied mid and I am not surprised the Dogs immediately said no to that attempt by them to get Dunkley. I doubt they would have even picked up the phone with how the Stringer negotiations went a few years back.
Essendon should go after someone like Brayshaw from Melbourne. He wouldn’t cost much and he would serve that need pretty well I reckon with Melbourne’s oversupply of inside mids.
Sad situation at North. They have avoided the wooden spoon for 48 years, which is something they should be proud of but I think 2021 will be the year that ends. They just seem a total mess atm and it is hard to see them getting out of it anytime soon. Brown, Higgins etc. looks to be extraordinarily poor management in hindsight. They will need all the support they can get. They definitely made a mistake with Shaw and believed in his pitch too easily. Good wins over Richmond and Collingwood last year papered over the cracks and now things have become a lot worse because they didn’t have a proper strategy.

Brad Crouch officially requests move to St Kilda

It’s a concern for them but they won’t mind losing Crouch if the Saints can secure them a first rounder. They will be just as bad next year but I suspect North already has 18th spot pretty much guaranteed at this point with Essendon potentially dropping into the bottom 4.

Brad Crouch officially requests move to St Kilda

Says the guy that was way off the mark at the start of this year about their list profile lol. Bulldogs were supposed to be top 4 bound and the Saints bottom 4 bound in 2020 I recall…what happened there mate?

In all seriousness, Crouch may not be best midfielder in the league but he is better than some of the other Saints mids and he will make them a better side if he can stay fit. So long as he doesn’t cost too much, I don’t mind this deal. Still an A-grader or two short of really contending for a flag but the list is quite balanced and not too reliant on individuals like some other teams.

Brad Crouch officially requests move to St Kilda

Yes, he will improve the midfield to a degree but they are still quite behind the midfields of Geelong, Richmond, WC, Brisbane, Port etc. I think Crouch will be better at the Saints than the Crows but they better not offer him too much money. Good point about trying to build off this year and hope they can get someone more established and high profile next year. Not sure who comes out of contract in 2021 but I hope there are some A grade mids available.

Saw they missed out on Caldwell but not too concerned. Essendon must have offered him a better deal with more money. Might be better off if we can land a more proven talent. Hope something is in the works behind the scenes.

Brad Crouch officially requests move to St Kilda

Do you mean Morrabbin, where they now train? Don’t know if you been there mate but it a pretty low profile area but nice. The redevelopment of Morrabbin has been great and they should never have left in the first place.

AFL Trades: Jeremy Cameron to Geelong will be a history-maker

Caldwell would still be a great pick up based on the commentary surrounding him. I personally don’t know much about him but apparently he has a lot of talent and showed good signs. I would be careful though and not get sucked in with hype. Hope they know what they are doing.
I can’t see them getting Taranto or Kelly either but maybe in a year, depending on how things go for GWS and the Saints. We just need one of those mids that can break games apart. Steele is elite but he can’t do everything on his own again.

AFL Trades: Jeremy Cameron to Geelong will be a history-maker

Yeah you are right. I think they are on the right track but they need to wait a bit longer to land the final piece. If they could back up this year with playing finals again next year, it would be a big success. Brad Hill was disappointing and the only way is up for him. He needs to be one of the best players on the field every week at his price tag and he maybe only really played one really good game this year if we are being generous.
St Kilda and North were in similar positions in 2016/2017 but the Saints got their drafting and recruiting right. I remember some mugs on this website wrote off Clark and Hunter in 2017 (before I had an account) and thought they would be failures. Clark and Hunter have been outstanding and I don’t care that we missed out on Naughton with how they played this year. King was excellent this year and still has a lot of upside.
It all looked lost 2 years ago in 2018 when the Saints finished 16th but things can quickly change and now they look so much better. I believe the same thing will happen to Carlton with their trading and drafting, especially when they land Williams, Saad and potentially Oliver.

AFL Trades: Jeremy Cameron to Geelong will be a history-maker

I think he will make the midfield better but he is more an upgrade on a player like Seb Ross. I will give him the benefit of the doubt with the off field incident this year but nothing like that better happen when he comes to the saints. We don’t need anymore players with baggage playing for the club and setting us back. The saints have been good at doing their due diligence the past 18 months so I am confident they have done the research.
They need someone like Tim Taranto or Josh Kelly to really consolidate that area. It will be very difficult to get players like that but GWS appear to be a sinking ship this year and if the price is right, maybe they could persuade one of them to move down to Melbourne.

AFL Trades: Jeremy Cameron to Geelong will be a history-maker

Yeah he is not the big fish recruit I was hoping they would go after. however he would be a big upgrade on Seb Ross, who is a left over from Alan Richardson’s era. If he doesn’t cost too much in terms of salary cap, I won’t mind but it is non-negotiable they keep the first rounder this year or trade it for a real A grade recruit.
I hope they have another ace up their sleeve and are going after a playerl like Taranto, but that is probably wishful thinking.

AFL Trades: Jeremy Cameron to Geelong will be a history-maker

It is quite surprising news. I thought he was like a deer in headlights this year and he appeared really out his depth. It may have taken its toll on him and it looks very unlikely he will be returning to senior coaching. Based on this year, it looked like North jumped the gun with appointing him as senior coach last year after North had those great wins over Collingwood and Richmond. It papered over the cracks and fooled them into giving him the job. It is hard to tell though with this year as North looked like a decent side early in the season but it all fell apart and they got nowhere near playing finals after Shaw declared that was the priority for this season but that never happened.

Shaw to take extended leave from North Melbourne, may not return

Easily the weakest area on the list. Steele is the only true A-grader in there but it non-negotiable they get a quality midfielder this off-season.
Hill was disappointing but I expect him to be better next year. He contributed but he needs to be in the top 4 players on the ground each week on the money he is earning. There is still a lot of upside with him at least.

St Kilda are on the right track, but how do they take the next step?

Good article by the author. Seems to have a good understanding of St Kilda’s list. I definitely agree that they need some more class in the midfield. It was clear Richmond had the better of them in that area on Friday when it mattered. Just on Friday’s game, Carlisle’s absence put a big hole in the defence and his inclusion may have made the contest much more even. St Kilda were pretty unlucky with a few score reviews, umpiring decisions and inaccuracy but Richmond were the better side and deserved to win. They need to close the gap with smart recruiting this off-season as mentioned.

Jack Steele was exceptional this year but he needs support for next year as he will most likely receive more attention from the opposition. It would be a dream come true to get Taranto and Caldwell but realistically they will probably only get Caldwell. GWS appear to be a sinking ship right now and it is interesting how things have quickly slipped for them in just 12 months when the Saints were a bottom 6 side last year.

I hope they steer clear of Crouch. He is an accumulator that doesn’t do anything damaging with the ball and that is not what the Saints need in that area. Unfortunately, it appears there isn’t any true A grade midfielders this off-season but Caldwell would be a good get. Maybe some more support for Max King would be good too. He was very impressive this season and was a big upgrade on Josh Bruce but he needs to back up this year and work on some areas of his game to take the next step.

Overall, it was a great season for the Saints. I don’t think too many people gave them chance to make finals this year but everything just clicked and it was surprising that they managed to finish above gws, collingwood and the dogs after last year. I just hope they aren’t a one hit wonder like Melbourne were in 2018 and can back this year up. I have feeling things are different now and they understand what needs to be done to be a good, consistent side with Ratten running the show.

St Kilda are on the right track, but how do they take the next step?

Never wished to compare them. They are very different, however based on the rules with potential to cause serious injury and the tone they have set with contact to the head, he might have a case to answer for with this incident. I think this is policing the player’s behaviour too much and it appears they want the players to be like robots but I don’t make the rules. Christian is the regulator and let’s see how he views this one with what he did last week.

Tiger train gets rolling again as Richmond roll St Kilda