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Everyone seems to have written Wales off very quickly, yes they lost 3 of the 4 warm up games, but they were experimental sides and against England and Ireland so no disgrace their at all.
They are the current 6 Nations champions and produced a pretty impressive first half last night.
They have some quality players, I think the true form guide will be this weekend when they take on the Wallabies.

Rugby World Cup 2019: A tale of four superstars

Was an awesome game. Look forward to hopefully meeting you guys again in the final.
Both teams will have learnt plenty from the game.

Boks blow it against All Blacks

Just to round out this whole conversation,

World Rugby have a real problem on their hands with these front on and close to the ruck tackles.
The trial of below the “nipple” was pulled as to many tacklers were getting head knocks close in to the ruck.
The Side effect of not being able to tackle with any height was that Ball Carriers were able to dip lower to bump off tacklers who were also set lower.
The result the tackler takes a shoulder/upper arm to the head.

Did Reece Hodge deserve at least a yellow card for this tackle?

I’ve seen it and Read definitely deserved a yellow. Not sure what that would then equate to in review.
Personally don’t think it warrants a suspension after the fact. But that may be because my only working eye is playing up :silly:
I hope Hodge only gets a week at the most as he clearly didn’t have any intent. Even better a warning, but once Yato was injured it deserved to be reviewed.

Did Reece Hodge deserve at least a yellow card for this tackle?

Not sure why such a testy response Ken,
The circumstance isn’t like anything you described so I am not sure how that is relevant.
Tackling a player without the ball is a different Law with different sanctions. Had he once again hit the head of the tacklee then the greater of the 2 sanctions applies.

I actually didn’t make a call as to which card Hodge should receive only the 2 thresholds and the process involved in deciding which one applies.

World Rugby have now have a fantastic site with law interpretation and process.
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?highlight=head%20contact&domain=9&guideline=13
This section also has very clear processes for deciding which card etc
Based on the mitigating factors World Rugby take into account Hodge might be in a bit of strife.
I have bolded the couple of things that I think may tip Hodge from a Yellow card offence to Red Card.

VIDEO SIGNS INDICATING HIGHER DEGREE OF DANGER

Preparation

Tackler draws the arm back prior to contact
Tackler may leave the ground
Arm swings forward prior to contact
Contact

Tackler is attempting an active/dominant tackle, as opposed to passive/soak, or “pulling out” of contact
Tackler speed and/or acceleration into tackle is high
Rigid arm or elbow makes contact with BC head as part of a swinging motion
Follow through

Tackler completes the tackle (as opposed to immediate release/withdrawal)
Factors to consider against mitigation:

If the tackler and BC are in open space and/or the tackler has clear line of sight and time before contact
Mitigating factors

(must be clear and obvious and can only be applied to reduce a sanction by 1 level)

Tackler makes a definite attempt to change height in an effort to avoid ball carrier’s head
BC suddenly drops in height (e.g. From earlier tackle, trips/falls, dives to score)
Tackler is unsighted prior to contact
“Reactionary” tackle, immediate release
Head contact is indirect (starts elsewhere on the body and then slips or moves up resulting in minor contact to the BC’s head or neck)

Just my opinion but I also don’t think any of the mitigating factors apply either.
Did Hodge do it intentionally – No
Was it Foul play – No
Was it a shoulder charge – No
Was is dangerous – Yes (Yato failed an HIA because of the tackle)
The potential mitigating factor in Hodge’s defence is Yato lent into the tackle.

Did Reece Hodge deserve at least a yellow card for this tackle?

Aaron Smith said exactly that after Read Co-lead the Haka on Sat
“I think it just added to the occasion. We were pretty pumped up, we were pretty excited about this Test match,” All Blacks halfback Aaron Smith told 1News.
“But we might’ve taken the intensity in the haka into the first 10 minutes – we were pretty skittery and too pumped up.”
“We love our captain and hearing him lead and the mana he holds in our team, feeling him walk through the haka and then taking his place at the top of the neho, it was pretty special.”

Boks blow it against All Blacks

To be fair he wasn’t helped by his TMO though.
Agreed I thought is strange only the slow mo replay was used.
In slow motion it didn’t look to bad, It almost gave an appearance of an attempt to release the tackled player but in real time it was pretty cynical. In real time Mapimpe should have been carded.
Slow mo helps sometimes but can be very deceptive in others. Both should be used for perspective.

Boks blow it against All Blacks

Gloria Arms are irrelevant his shoulder make contact with Yato’s head.
As the Tackler the responsibility is 100% on him to not do that.
World Rugbys Law Clarification is as follows

High tackle

An illegal tackle causing head contact, where head contact is identified by clear contact to ball carrier’s head/neck OR the head visibly moves backwards from the contact point OR the ball carrier requires an HIA

And then the threshold for a Red Card
High tackle with any contact between the tackler’s shoulder or head and the BC’s head or neck, with high degree of danger, and mitigation is not applied
Or Yellow
High tackle with any contact between the tackler’s shoulder or head and the BC’s head or neck, with low degree of danger, and mitigation is not applied

Hodge deserved a card which is probably debatable.

Did Reece Hodge deserve at least a yellow card for this tackle?

I think some of the (over) reaction comes from the endless commentary about what the All Blacks get away with.
It is also equally impossible to find an article about an AB’s win without at-least one reference to the referee and what they let go unpunished against the AB’s.
Guys like Phil Kearns, Stuart Barnes, Stephen Jones make a living out of it.

Boks blow it against All Blacks

Yeah its all Rugby’s fault.

They are doing such a magnificent job of running their own game they have time and nous to create a giant conspiracy?!!!

Perhaps Gould and his merry band whiners are just appealing the lowest common denominator, I mean at the latest round of sports bet adds someone loves this rubbish.

Referees get it right and the commentators misread the room - again

No familiar with that one Harry, is it from the Wellington Region?? :silly:

Rugby World Cup tipping Week 1: unprepared

Absolutely,
Everyone has their own criteria to measure by and because Rugby is such a team sport individuals are so hard to rate. Who’s to say Kronfield’s relentless support wasn’t every bit as important to his team as Michael Jones flash and guile.
For me age has as big an influence as country.
As an impressionable 12 year old that ’87 AB’s team is pretty tough to beat.
So for me guys like Joe Stanley, The Whetton brothers, Steve McDowall, will be burnt it my memory, but so to Eric Champ, Camberabero, Berbizier.

The Roar’s 50 greatest Rugby World Cup players wrap-up: Who voted for who, team of the top 50, plus best countries and positions

The Late Great Sir Brian Lochore complied a list for World Rugby of the Top 5 RWC players
in no particular order
McCaw
Lomu
Wilko
Eales
M Jones
3 Kiwis and 2 Loosies perhaps he is showing some of his bias too.
He justifies his selections
Former New Zealand captain and ’87 RWC winning head coach Sir Brian Lochore gives World Rugby a list of his top 5 most influential players at World Cup level. Sir Brian explains how player’s character, leadership and determination helped him decide who made his final 5.

The Roar’s 50 greatest Rugby World Cup players wrap-up: Who voted for who, team of the top 50, plus best countries and positions

Great stuff team,
In my usual role of providing useless stats some follow below
There 37 players only voted for by 1 Contributor
Nobes is the least sheep-like choosing 8 players no one else through of.
To counter the flag waiving none of these were from his country of origin.
Digger is the greatest sheep with not a single original thought at all.

Highest player with a ranked single vote was again Nobes & Harry with J Davis and Olo Brown @ 8th, none of the rest of you are welcome in the Welsh valleys or Ponsonby Rugby club anytime soon.
Only 15 players were voted on by all of you
J Lomu
R McCaw
F Pienaar
J Eales
J Wilkinson
J van der Westhuizen
T Horan
G Gregan
D Carter
V Matfield
B Habana
J Stransky
D Campese
G Hastings
M Lynagh

Missing out on only one list were – those who left them out listed beside
M Johnson – Nobes
M Jones – Jack
J Kirwan – Brett
G Fox – Nobes
J Leonard – Digger
3 of the ’87 AB’s and 2 of the ’03 Orges

And finally Will had 7 players ranked exactly the same as the final tally.
Dan, Nobes and Harry only 1

The Roar’s 50 greatest Rugby World Cup players wrap-up: Who voted for who, team of the top 50, plus best countries and positions

Digger I just about had you handing in you NZ passport rating both Larkham and Wilkinson
ahead of Carter.
But you earnt redemption for being one of the few to recognise Sam Whitelock’s underrated contribution.

The Roar’s 50 greatest Rugby World Cup players wrap-up: Who voted for who, team of the top 50, plus best countries and positions

I don’t think to much to be honest, as long as its a close loss. A hiding might result in some navel gazing.

I think both the Bok’s and AB’s know they are as good as anyone and there is nothing between the two so a close loss will mean very little in confidence to either team, other than meeting Ireland in the Semi’s.

Rugby World Cup tipping Week 1: unprepared

Draw would certainly make the rest of the pool very interesting.
Bonus points and For and Against would suddenly take on a whole new importance.
Pity poor Namibia as these 2 would chase points to finish top of the pool.

Pool stage tie breaker
1. The winner of the Match in which the two tied Teams have played each other shall be the higher ranked.
2. The Team which has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.

Rugby World Cup tipping Week 1: unprepared

Google might have changed the world but it as dumb as dog S#!t

Top ten when you google “best rugby world cup players”
In order from 1 st 10th
William Web Ellis
Michael Lynagh
David Campese
Nick Far Jones
Conrad Smith
Matt Burke
Tevita Kurindrani
John Eales
Zinzan Brooke
Toutai Kefu

The Roar’s 50 greatest players in Rugby World Cup history: 5-1

I know if I had that dream I’d be off on a stretcher after the opening kickoff.
Heart Attack or Concussion I wouldn’t survive long.

Rugby World Cup tipping Week 1: unprepared

NZ Teams just been named
Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ryan Crotty, George Bridge, Richie Mo’unga, Aaron Smith; Kieran Read (c), Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Scott Barrett, Samuel Whitelock, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Joe Moody. Reserves: Codie Taylor, Ofa Tuungafasi, Angus Ta’avao, Patrick Tuipulotu, Shannon Frizell, TJ Perenara, Sonny Bill Williams. Ben Smith.

I like that team good looking bench.
Based on the past few games, whats the odds for a Draw

Rugby World Cup tipping Week 1: unprepared

Most important question what is everyone’s beverage for watching their teams opening matches.

Has to be patriotic, but being in a Kiwi in Aussie my choices might be limited.

There’s always Montieths but I am happy to be swayed by any good Kiwi recommendations.
Or do I splash out on the Dunedin Double Wood Whiskey??

Rugby World Cup tipping Week 1: unprepared

No going back now Harry,

It’s on the internet it must be true 🙂

Rugby World Cup tipping Week 1: unprepared

Nice summary Charging.
Probably the most dominant team in and around their RWC win were the ’87 AB’s they went unbeaten from May ’87 through to Aug ’90 with a draw blotting the perfect record.
22 Wins 1 Draw
864-257 for and against
122:25 tries for and against
Poor Wales who were ranked 3rd in the world at the time averaged 52-7 over 3 tests in 87 and 88

The Roar’s 50 greatest players in Rugby World Cup history: 5-1

That was gold, one of those DID HE JUST DO THAT!! moments.

The Roar’s 50 greatest players in Rugby World Cup history: 5-1

I think you meant Lamb-on bread :stoked:

The Roar’s 50 greatest players in Rugby World Cup history: 5-1