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Its divorce their Partner,
If a transitioning person wants their gender recognised via marital law they must first divorce their partner then remarry under their identified gender.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

All valid points and I am going to guess of all of the still inherent discriminations blood donations are going to be lower on the list of priorities.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

You and me both!!!

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

No worries Ralph, it would be wonderful if Social media had a filter that filtered out extremist views from either side.

This whole saga, has been dragged to the lowest common denominator by both sides. Leaving a genuine any discussion about the place in modern society of religion, and whether certain sections of society do justify additional protections to the scrap heap.

Whilst we fall on opposites sides to this Ralph I do admire the fact you have held yourself well above petty insults to express yourself.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Do some fact checking.
The California law seeks to allow civil claims against businesses and organisations who spread misinformation about climate change.
That works both ways as long as you can prove the misinformation.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Did you feel the same when Mundine said
“They call it an act of terrorism, but if you can understand religion, and our way of life, it’s not about terrorism. It’s about fighting for God’s law, and America’s brought it upon themselves.”
I 100% would have supported him getting the sack if he was playing rugby too.
Particularly if he doubled down on it.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Why do straight people not catch diseases during sex?

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

It starts with a choice, also it might be a fineline between drunks and alcoholics.
But I would defend alcoholics, agreed perhaps not as strongly as there actions at least have a negative impact on those around them and do begin with a choice.
Nor have drunks had to fight for equal rights, they have always been allowed to marry. I would argue drunkenness is encourage at most weddings.
There are also still an number of areas where LBGT rights differ.
SA still has criminal records on their books for “sodomy”
SA will still allow the “gay panic” defence for murders
Only Vic has banned conversion therapy.
WA bans surrogacy for same sex partners.
Religious schools are able sack gay employees and expel gay students.
Northern Territory has not yet legislated to allow same-sex couples to adopt
Married transgender people must divorce their partners to transition on official documents.
Men who have had sex with men in the previous 12 months are barred from donating blood.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Lets play this out a bit then.
What groups would it finally be too far for him to say will go to hell. Or is nothing off limits?

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

His post in 2017 had a very different tone
“I love and respect all people for who they are and their opinions. but personally, I will not support gay marriage.”
He was not censured by RA in any way at all.
The first post in 2018 he was probably baited into but was asked on Twitter
“Whats Gods plan for Gay people”
His response was
“Hell unless they repent their sins and turn to God”
again he was not punished for this, but after a meeting with RA was asked to refrain from similar posts.
He then went so far a writing an article to say if he felt his beliefs were damaging the game he would walk away.
Hence the attempt by RA to get the second post removed, he has refused so backed them into a corner.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

1/ Folau chose to disobey a directive by his employer twice. The court will decide if that directive was lawful. But would have gotten me sacked too.
2/ A private company hasn’t made any legal judgement they have made a judgement based on their terms and conditions. Folau is well within his rights to go elsewhere. as he has.
Had Go Fund Me kicked him off because he was a Christian then they would be wrong.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

I’ll give you a few examples then.
Yassmin Abdel-Magied, a Sudanese-born, twenty-six-year-old Australian ,author and ABC radio presenter, after a seven-word Facebook post on Anzac Day, urging people to remember those in Australia’s offshore detention centres who had fled conflict, went viral. Social media, Liberal MPs and the News Corp papers went into overdrive, calling for her to be sacked, punished or deported,
Alan Jones attacks on Gladys Berejiklian to sack Opera House boss.
Alan Jones constant calls for Turnbull’s sacking
Miranda Devine referring to anyone supporting Folau’s sacking as “Tolerence Jihadis”
Perfect open dialogue on right then isn’t it

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

The outrage at times has been over the top from both sides.
Virtue Signalling, Lefty agenda, marxist agenda, snow flakes.
Religious nut jobs.

The name calling and outrage is not limited to one side.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

And one of those groups is not a choice in life.
If he included a Race along with all those others would his go to hell message been ok? He’s still including the majority.

Why I donated to Israel Folau - and why I will again

Don’t put words in my mouth.
I never said I despised Chrsitian culture. I am chrisitan educated and follow alot of the kinder and more peaceful parts of the Bible. They are a great basis to build your life off. There is also some very outdated and down right horrible parts too.
I also have some serious issues with the self righteousness of some zealots who feel they are now being hard done by whilst completey ignoring some of the henious crimes commited in the name of their religion or country.
Your statement “What parts of the “60,000 years of indigenous culture in Australia” did you actually want to keep? only highlights your own bigotry and superiority complex. There are so many parts of all cultures we could learn off.
I feel this way to try and make myself a better person, not to follow any herd or pick up chicks.
Too sum up my rant there are some wonderful and tolerant parts of Christianity. But until it is able to reconcile with some fo the henous crimes commented in the name of, and on behalf of the chruch, throwing stones about discrimination is hypocracy at its finest.

GoFundMe removes Israel Folau's fundraiser over terms of service breach

Enough,
How much tolerance did that same Judeo-Christian value system show …

Izzy’s orginal Tongan Culutre, Samoan, Fijian, Tahitian, Maori, Native American, Middle East, Most African (google: “Congo Belgium Hands” for some real destroyed society) 60,000 year of indeginous culture in Australia or any other colony they just decided they wanted to own.

The church has a long way to go before it any where near the destruction of Tolerance, inclusivity, freedom of religious expression they have imposed on others.

GoFundMe removes Israel Folau's fundraiser over terms of service breach

That’s good christian stance, with-hold your money from genuine people in need (cancer battlers, sick kids). So you can give twice as much to a bloke who doesn’t need it.
Jesus would be proud!

The Wrap: Folau initiative sparks plethora of new ‘Go Fund Me’ pages

Sure you not suggesting that for Geoff.
Thats an image I didn’t need!!

The Wrap: Folau initiative sparks plethora of new ‘Go Fund Me’ pages

And in other News, Golfing Legends Greg Norman and Carrie Webb. Denouce the Gofundme page of rubbish golder Geoff Parkes.
Norman was quoted as saying gofundme is only for “worthy causes.” controversally saying even the latest SHARK clothing wouldn’t make Geoff look the part.

The Wrap: Folau initiative sparks plethora of new ‘Go Fund Me’ pages

🙂

Probably, some people just seem to think with world owes them a favour.

Folau hoping to crowd-fund legal case against Rugby Australia

You’d think so wouldn’t you, we had a neighbor setup a go fund me to move to Queensland. No special reason just couldn’t afford it. Positive outcome it earnt about $20.

Folau hoping to crowd-fund legal case against Rugby Australia

Now we are getting really technical but since you are so black and white about it, here’s my take.
At .35 the camera cuts away before Tupou has completed the tackle – 1 Metre out from the line.
At 1 Sec he is clearly shown at the wider angle to continue on and remains in contact with CCL almost back to the line. At that stage his shoulder is way above the shoulder line of CCL
This is what is visible at 17 sec.
Its not the worst and regularly would go unpunished but he does make contact above the shoulder.
The law then is very clear
“A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously. Dangerous tackling includes, but is not limited to, tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders.”

Did the Tongan Thor deserve to be sin binned for his enormous hit?

You can’t say that because Tupou’s right shoulder is obscured. And the video cuts away before the tackle is completed. So you never see if CLL head hits the shoulder from that angle. It’s a 50/50 call but as always the onus is on the tackler to prevent any contact so the call goes against him.

Did the Tongan Thor deserve to be sin binned for his enormous hit?

At that exact same frame the top of Tupou’s shoulder is at CLL’s cheek height, and CLL’s shoulder is below the emblem on Tupou’s chest.
Both these things making the Tackle above shoulder height and illegal.

Did the Tongan Thor deserve to be sin binned for his enormous hit?

Yup a certain Warratahs coach’s thighs were the thighs that got me.
No chance of wrapping my arms around those tree trunks even at under 13.

Did the Tongan Thor deserve to be sin binned for his enormous hit?