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How much Rugby do you think the average viewer see’s. It’s something everyone seems to be forgetting here. Certainly not a lot of SR. Tests have been and will continue to be the shopfront for the game in this country. Unless, this is all a high stakes gambit from RA to get Foxtel to agree to simulcast SR on FTA. Which is possible. And something if is the case I hope they succeed in.

Tests are protected via anti-siphoning laws. Which means they are FTA and are the only form of the game most people actively engage with. This Optus deal won’t change that. In fact, it will provide more resources to expand the participation and development pathways further. Which will result in stronger Wallabies teams in the future.

Foxtel withdraws offer for Rugby broadcast rights, Optus move looms

From my understanding it’s purely for the domestic rights. Which Foxtel paid $15m for last time round. So this is an increase.

Foxtel withdraws offer for Rugby broadcast rights, Optus move looms

Well, actually it’s an overall increase in the domestic value. Which last time was only $15m plus $7m in contra advertising. The majority of the deals value comes from the international component.

Foxtel withdraws offer for Rugby broadcast rights, Optus move looms

Except they aren’t actually ignoring them at all. Just changing in how they engage the talent within them.

Rugby Australia goes it alone

You’re not wrong Mickey. All the difference is the U18s set up is now geared toward be as inclusive of all the best available talent meaning you don’t need to go to one of a handful of schools to be a realistic shot instead you can work your way up the academy system and be in contention. It’s a wise move in terms of retention and should see results in the years to come.
Some were/still are unhappy about it as the dual system eliminates the exclusivity of the schools side in a quest for greater performance and pathways for a wider base.
I should also note that, in my opinion, this is actually a solid result for schools as it permits the kids who see Rugby as their future career a pathway via the U18s and guys who still being good players and may be very capable of breaking through in their own right from the ‘lesser’ schools or stuck behind one of the stars in their school side an opportunity to show their wares. From a Rugby perspective it’s very savvy.

Rugby Australia goes it alone

Apparently something akin to the Nations Championship format was discussed in Japan. Involving. Wait for it. The combined 6Ns and RC nations plus Fiji and Japan. Apparently in a closed shop. Which is just so short sighted.

Though there is a work around. Structure it similar to that of the Euro League Basketball which has a set number of permanent licencee franchises alongside qualifiers. In the Rugby version the 12 T1-T1.5 nations could form the licence holders. Free from relegation, while the other four would qualify.

In the meeting they proposed running it over 2 years. Which I think should remain. That what the qualifiers would get two years at the top table. At the end of the cycle unless they make the finals they would then play off against the top four from a 2nd Division. Which could either be in the form of a 12-16 division.

When will Japan join the Rugby Championship?

Assuming you sign them up at 16 and they salary corresponds with year year they maintain the contract they’ll see $11k increases year on year across the 10 years.

A model for stronger and more sustainable rugby

Okay. So are you saying the average payments would be $100k a season? Spread over 750 players? So $75m a year in salaries. Wouldn’t that be more than they are paying out now? Would you mind elaborating on your calculations if you don’t mind.

A model for stronger and more sustainable rugby

Then why leave the NRL in the first place?

Reports: Valentine Holmes to leave NFL and sign with Cowboys

If he expected to go over and crack in under a year then he was seriously kidding himself. No history in the game having to undergo a very steep learning curve. It was always going to a minimum of 2 years. At best. If he was really looking to give it a crack then he’d have been prepared to give it two years.

As I mentioned before the XFL is kicking off next year and he could have chased game time in that league. Would have given him the minutes he needed. But here he is returning to his comfort zone.

Reports: Valentine Holmes to leave NFL and sign with Cowboys

Don’t forget the $1150/week he earned in training camp/preseason as a rookie. So closer to $150k. Well, above the salary of your average American. Australian for that matter.

Reports: Valentine Holmes to leave NFL and sign with Cowboys

That’s a toughy. But the ratings prior to the NRL and AFL kicking off up against the A-League were actually very good. An argument could be made that similar could be achieved by aligning with this proposed league. Less overall competition. Run the RC during the 6Ns window.

Then have both Aus and NZ join the PNC later in the year to play against the PI’s, the USA, Canada and Japan.

New Japanese league could save the Sunwolves

This could facilitate SA going north with Aus/NZ and Argentina alongside with a Fijian team left to form a 12 team competition running during the same window as the Japanese league and having the RC run in the same window as the 6Ns.

New Japanese league could save the Sunwolves

They kind of could with the return to the straight round robin which would feature SR with just 13 regular season games. Partner with the Japanese clubs to contract talent and run SR after the Japanese season is done.

New Japanese league could save the Sunwolves

It likely will. Especially if these teams are able to replicate the supposed budgets of the corporate teams they most definitely will increase the player drain. Which brings into question about what to do about the future of the game in both Aus/NZ.
From the general structure to the schedule of the respective competitions etc. It may become distinctly necessary to for Aus and NZ to go to a TT format scheduled alongside the proposed Japanese league.
There’s a few challenges for the game in terms of retention coming. The MLR has a number of teams looking to boost their purchasing power in the coming years with greater investment. Which while likely over a more protracted time frame will in time will put further pressure on retention of talent.

New Japanese league could save the Sunwolves

The nasty 10-20 overs happens now. Teams declaring to have a go at breaking through right before the end of the day to put their opposition on the back foot. The goal of what I’ve suggested is to never let games get too far out of hand for one team. Not to eliminate one teams dominance but to keep both teams in the game for as long as possible in order to keep the contest in play for as long as possible.
The goal would be to bowl out your opposition. Sure. But it would also be about accumulating more runs and not leaving the game as a draw. If you don’t accumulate the same number of runs then you lose. No draws. Forcing a result every time. By shortening the available overs teams cannot rack up unassailable scores leading the other no option for the opposition than trying to kill it but grimly holding on. You want teams to be looking at the scores in front of them with knowledge that they are actually achievable.
Shortening the innings will likely push up the run rate as team push to score as many runs as possible. This would also open up more opportunities for bowlers and fielders to takes advantage of the increased scoring pace. I think it would heighten the battle between both sets of players.

A proposal to save Test cricket

I actually had a similar thought to this recently. Essentially introducing an over limit for each team per innings. Something like 80 overs per innings with each team have two innings to bat and bowl.

This would shorten a match to roughly three days and hopefully push for more definite results. A run rate of 4.2 an over in the first innings would present the chasing team with a total of 336 to chase per inning. Which would be very doable and should see more enterprise from teams as in most cases the target should ever be too far out of reach in a final innings chase bar batting collapses. Which happen now.

A proposal to save Test cricket

Another SR format I would watch would also involve going back to the start of S12. As in, in retrospect we probably pushed for the wrong kind of expansion when S12 moved to S14. Instead of more teams we should have pushed for an extended schedule and below that looked to implement academy systems in both Perth and Melbourne that would then compete in either one of the 2 primary club competitions. Or even split between both.

We should have pushed for a full double round robin S12 which would have had our teams playing 22 games a season. Hosting 11 of them and playing 18 of those 22 in viewer friendly time zone. We’d have at present 33 games played in Australia. Which doesn’t sound great but considering we only had 32 played here this season and under the new proposed schedule with the axing of the Sunwolves we’ll only have 26.

I know some may complain about footprint but surely it would be better to have 3 teams all performing well and average 90-100k a match than 4/5 averaging 60-65k.

Now, we could look to do this now but it would require some reworking. First. We’d have to cut a 2nd team to bring our numbers down to 3. Then we’d have to get SA on board by supporting one of the 3 SR franchises from the Republic that have openly stated they would be happy to move north to bring their numbers to 3 plus the Jaguares. NZ can keep their 5. This would bring the numbers to 12. Then implement the double round robin with a 6 team finals series.

From our perspective. As part of cutting the 2nd team we could also work with GRR to remove the barriers to entry for a 2nd Aus team in that competition alongside signing an MOU to essentially farm out a number of out best emerging youngsters not already regulars in a SR squad to either the Force or the 2nd Aus team alongside returning Aus eligible players. This would provide these young guys with a higher level of competition than club footy and continued exposure to professional systems. It could also be expanded to the likes of HK and Singapore in a more limited extent as a means of retention if necessary.

We could then do as was done last year at Leichardt Oval and run a SR vs GRR game for Wallaby selection.

Depending on where the 2nd GRR team is based if the cut SR team isn’t in that location then an extension of the academy system for U18s/Schools could be set up and have them play in say the Shute Shield in place of the currently vacant 12th spot. As a means of keeping the pathway open.

What rugby competition would you like to watch?

In T20 and ODI it may work if it is limited to just the one sub per game. But I think a similar role is already filled by the all-rounder.

Is it time for cricket to embrace batting substitutions?

Rugby 7s was created in the 1880s. Not exactly the same thing.

Would a football “Big Bash” pique interest in the sport?

They made it an All-Star competition. And the BBL had a down year this season but up until that point had seen solid growth. We’ll have to wait and see how the 2nd year of the new TV deal pans out before declaring a decline.

Would a football “Big Bash” pique interest in the sport?

Depending on the game. But generally pretty close to double.

What rugby competition would you like to watch?

So, I with a few others track SR ratings over on Green and Gold Rugby. And I’m sorry to burst your bubble but the numbers actually suggest from an Australian perspective the games involving Australian teams in Australia actually rate higher than well every other game not involving Aus teams or Aus teams in NZ and certainly in SA. In fact, and again this is backed by knowing the numbers. Our derbies are our highest rating games. With the 1st Tahs/Reds game bringing in the highest regular season ratings of 128k.

In fact it is those games featuring Aus teams playing in NZ and most notably SA and Argentina that significantly impact the overall average.

A competition featuring time zone friendly games and Australian teams would using the number siggest a sizeable jump in the average.

Chuckle all you want. But the numbers don’t lie.

What rugby competition would you like to watch?

Another option would be have two ten team ‘leagues’ with NZ, SA and Arg forming one and the 4 Aus SR teams joining with the GRR teams to play in a two phased competition. First phase would involved 9 games against each of the teams in your ‘league’. The 2nd phase would use the rankings from the 1st phase with the teams ranked 1,3,5,7 and 9 from one ‘league joined by the teams ranked 2,4,6,8 and 10 for the 2nd lot of 9 games. Top 4 teams in each of these then go through to the finals.

That would provide teams with 18 games over 21 weeks hosting 9 games a piece. Maintain a level of derbies while breaking things up a bit with the more international element. Beyond that you could move into an expanded RC going from 4 to 6 teams and implement a 2nd Div. (also of 6 teams) playing one another once with two crossover games (RC teams playing 2nd Div. teams) with one in the July and one in the November Test windows. Or expand it to 8 teams split into two pools of 4 playing home and away in each pool and one game against the teams from the other pool once. First past the post in both circumstances. Could also implement a 2nd Div. along the same lines with in both instances the bottom ranked team in the RC replaced by the winner of the 2nd Div.

Going with the 6 team RC the obvious inclusions are Japan and Fiji and a 2nd Div. of Samoa, Tonga, USA, Canada, plus two more based on growth, development and commercialisation. The 8 team set up would give you the opportunity to go a little more along the lines of rankings with the RC involving the current 4 Fiji, Japan, Tonga and Georgia and the 2nd Div. featuring Samoa, USA, Spain, Romania, Russia, Canada, Uruguay and Namibia.

What rugby competition would you like to watch?

I’m very aware they are different sports.

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