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Wow. Wind up if ever I’ve seen one.
Firstly, SA needs to worry itself with getting on top of Covid or it will fail to host the Lions next year at huge financial cost.
Secondly, New Zealand is effectively cut off from touring sides until a vaccine is found for Covid (whenever that may be).
Thirdly, SA sits in a time zone which is aligned with Europe.
Fourthly, whether it’s in Australia or the UK, matches involving SA provinces are usually the worst performing TV audience wise.
So good luck with all that.
In addition, if memory serves me correctly only the Bulls have won a Super Rugby Crown? All 3 of the Brumbies, Reds and Waratahs have won relatively recently. I don’t think there is a huge difference in quality between Aus and SA super sides especially with many Boks playing overseas.

Sorry Australia, the other two nations will supercharge southern hemisphere rugby

Totally agree regarding Harrison… I suspect if he was playing for the Force or Rebels we’d hear nothing about him…
To be fair though he is a very young man and together with Lolesio he is worthy of a wider squad role.

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Thanks BT
I’m not as high on Valentini as many seem to be.
Prefer Wright, Swinton, Wilson, Naisarani and Samu for 6/8.
As always, an embarrassment of riches in the back row!

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Great side! Although I think I’d still like Wilson starting and Naisarani coming off the bench.

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Totally agree about Ready! Don’t understand what happened to him but Thorn obviously wasn’t a fan (attitude).

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Have to agree with Train here…
Samu is an enigma- we all know the talent is there but no way I could pick him ahead of Wright at 6 or Wilson and Naisarani at 8.

In a dream world I’d love to see Thor, Skelton, Samu and Naisarani all on the bench and coming on for the last 30 minutes. What a handful.

Big X factor is Rennie. Will he be able to get out of Samu what Cheika couldn’t? And how will he see the perfect back row balance.

I very much hope he sees Wright, McReight and Wilson as the long term solution.

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Nelson
Big fan of Tate McDermott but don’t forget he was dropped to the bench for the Brumbies game.
I quite like McDermott as a 2nd half replacement in tests.. running game will catch a few tired legs out

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Morsie
I hear you! As I said in the article they aren’t ready to meet Eben Etzebeth in a dark alley!
But who else is there right now?
Rodda, Arnold, Skelton are all MIA.

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Shed, fair comments except with Wright at 6 😉
Personally I think he is the 6 we’ve been missing since RWC 2015. Reminds me so much of Fardy in that he does a lot of work nobody notices and can get over the ball too. Is also proficient in the line out, can carry and solid defensively. Exactly how I like my 6’s.

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Really fair point Kevin- my mongrel was the Force lock… a lot of people have missed him.
Philip for me is definitely in the discussion and to be honest, any of the 4 locks mentioned could start.

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

He’s a different player after 3 years with Saracens- a little lighter, higher work rate and much more professional.

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Maddocks is an interesting one- maybe a better winger than full back? I just think Banks has gone off the boil which is a pity. DHP would be a great bench player perhaps.

Feel like with the addition of Kerevi, Rodda, Arnold and Skelton this young group would be a great chance.

Imagine Thor, Skelton and Naisarani all coming off the bench…

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Thanks Bobby, it was a fun article to write…!
Really wish Kerevi, Rodda and Skelton were about… I think you are right that Rennie will probably stick with Hooper this year in the absence of so much experience.

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Thanks Big Baz
I didn’t deliberately time this article to follow yesterday but it’s good timing!
My only real worry for the Wallabies is lock where men v boys is especially amplified- hard to figure out how to avoid blooding young locks early with Skelton, Arnold, Rodda all off shore.

The Wallabies: Picking a side on Super Rugby AU form

Lots to be said for (a) combinations and (b) bench impact.

Like Sio, Fainga’a, AAA starting and then Thor and Paenga finishing perhaps with Slipper (plenty of experience in both combinations).

Any which way you can: Australia’s intriguing choice at tighthead prop

Hmmm

Only half agree with this. There are a list of players like Will Harrison, Lolesio, Nawaquanitawase and McReight who definitely would benefit from being in a wider Wallaby squad but aren’t ready to play tests just yet.

Conversely, I’d love to see Wilson given an opportunity to start as Wallaby 8. Similar goes for Wright at 6 and young men like Paisami who is the form 13 of the comp.

Will Miller is the form 7 of the comp and then there is Wright who has been the best winger by a mile. Why hold them back?

Rewarding form is important in selection no matter the age. Guys like Tim Horan, Jason Little, George Smith and even James O’Connor were good enough and old enough.

As for Nick Frost…. with Arnold, Rodda etc all off shore and intelligible, do we really want to play it safe with Simmons?

Dear Australian rugby: Cool your jets. Love, Australian rugby

Corne

We have to agree to disagree 😉

Some of the best games of rugby Ive seen have been at School, Colts and reserve grade level with kids throwing the ball around and playing for eachother.

The rubbish on TV at the moment is half as entertaining and heartless. It’s played by ‘professionals’ who have no real attachment to their sides and are scared to lose in front of empty stadiums (before and after Covid)

Will all 16 sides (or even one of them) instantly be able to compete with Canterbury or Leicester or Toulouse. Of course not. But at least we will have a viable pathway and infrastructure for young guys who have the talent to be considered.

I also remember in 1990 when Rugby League said there wasn’t the depth in Brisbane for a competitive side…

A national club competition: Australian rugby going it alone

Plumtree was seriously underrated. A brilliant rugby mind and in many ways the Wayne Smith of South Africa.
Skills can be taught and should be taught at young ages, just like languages. The in and out, where to put your head when you tackle, body position for clear outs, not passing to someone in a worse position. It is scary for Aussie rugby that so many of these things are lacking.

The Kiwis: How to beat them at their own game

Ekvello
Exactly and now is the time.
And your working business group is a great idea- they’ve just put one together for the RWC bid in 2027 so why not use it for this too!
No more messing about.

The Kiwis: How to beat them at their own game

Andy agree with your point re conflation. Simply put, I think we need to use the existing club rugby structure to create the 16 teams- those in the Shute Shield that are left behind could still enter reserve grades etc instead of being thrashed 50 nil each weekend.
Once a 16 team comp is in place with traditional clubs and traditional rivalries as well as state sides to aspire to, kids will be drawn in. And at that stage, you use the clubs to create pathways from schools, regions etc. They do it in league and it works so why are we too stubborn tom admit that.

The Kiwis: How to beat them at their own game

Wax- always good to have a debate and respect your view but:

(a) The Wallabies have played the Kiwis more than anyone in the last 10 years and there is no forwards, only backwards.
(b) The English have Premier Rugby. Their best sides play the best from France. Their average sides play the average sides in France. They hardly played the AB’s over the past 5 years and when they finally did they beat them at the RWC.
(c) QLD V NSW rivalry is real and used to mean something. We also used to see the ACT constantky innovating to prove they were better than both (hence the success of Aussie rugby from 1995 to 2005. Origin is key for Union in my opinion. Not Reds v Waratahs with Simmons captaining NSW and Mitchell running around on the wing in blue. Origin.

The Kiwis: How to beat them at their own game

Andrew
There is plenty of money at Brothers in Brisbane or Randwick or Sydney Uni. Twiggy is pumping money into WA Club Rugby.
There are also easily 500 young players in Australia who deserve the opportunity to audition for the highest level on a regular basis.
Games should also go free to Air on the ABC or SBS asap. Get back to basics get kids excited to turn on the TV and noyt penalise those who can’t watch.

The Kiwis: How to beat them at their own game

JezNez
Good point and one I thought about and have thought about a lot.
The fact is, half of the Shute Shield sides are also rans that regularly get 50-100 points put on them by Uni/ Randwick etc. Would they not benefit more from dropping into a 2nd tier comp against say Uni’s 2nd XV? The same can be said for Premier Rugby in Brisbane although the disparity isn’t so big.
We need to see games between NSW and QLD that mean something again. We need to see Brothers playing Randwick. We need the ACT and WA with chips on their shoulders constantly innovating and looking to prove they belong at the table. That is how Australian Rugby exploded between 1995 and 2005.
It will hurt for soem supporters but change must come and I’m confident that when it does, 90% of those supporters will be won over.

The Kiwis: How to beat them at their own game

Corne- good point.
My 16 team suggestion was based on two factors.
(a) It is the same as the NRL and the season would be loosely modelled on their season.
(b) It allows the strongest clubs in the Shute Shield and Brisbane Premier Rugby to survive but at the same time provides for 4 clubs between WA, Victoria and ACT.

The Kiwis: How to beat them at their own game

Smiggle Jiggle
I alluded to your comments re Waratahs players in my article.
It was a mistake to totally discard Quade as Foley became almost untouchable, especially as Toomua was at Leicester for so long.
I don’t think anyone can get their head around Hannigan. Great club player, ok provincial level, totally lost in tests. The Welsh and English forwards absolutely grilled him.
Also Latu. Brain snaps, can’t throw. All while BPA plays NRC.

It's trendy to just blame Cheika, but you'd be wrong