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John
I think you hit the nail on the head there.
In the very first minute the All Blacks simply went through us. They made easy yards through hesitant defenders. They off loaded. There were no surprises but the Wallabies just seemed totally unprepared.
The ‘new’ defensive system excuse trotted out at the end was laughable. It looked lots like the one the Tahs employed and, even if it did have some ‘new’ aspects, they had 4 weeks to practice them.
I’m sure Eddie Jones watched the Lions/ Gatland. When he tuned in and watched today he must have been scratching is head trying to figure out what on earth the Wallabies were doing. They learnt nothing from the Lions.

Time's up for the Cheika dictatorship

Cheika needs a boss he’s answerable to (a Jake White or Graham Henry type perhaps). Grey absolutely has to go, you can’t lose a home test series 3 nil against England, lose to Scotland, scrape home against Italy and then concede 55 points in a test in Sydney and not be answerable and accountable.
The selections are atrocious.
Moore has been a fantastic servant but totally off the pace. He was against Scotland and all through Super Rugby so why start him against the All Blacks!?
Hanigan is not even close to being ready for tests. He tried hard but that was the only positive for him.
The back row was totally unbalanced. We are stuck with Hooper at 7 now because of the captaincy (another mistake). But why start McMahon at 8?! Timani must start.
11/14/15 were hopeless. Folau is living on past reputation. He needs a benching and wake up call. In the meantime play Beale at 15 and bring Haylett-Petty onto the wing.
The only positive was the second row performance.
The usual suspects will be out in force saying it’s ‘Tah Bashing’ but the fact is so may of us saw last night coming and were called arm chair critics. Maybe so, but we were right.

Roar Forum: What changes should the Wallabies make for Bledisloe 2?

Objective?
Jake White needs to be on a plane yesterday to come and ask Cheika what the f*$k he thinks he’s doing.
We all knew before the game that Hanigan wasn’t up to it. We all knew that McMahon at 8 was out of position and Timani should start. We all knew Moore was on his last legs. We all questioned it but got called Tah bashers and arm chair critics.
There are no positives from that game. The All Blacks switched off out of boredom/ comedy value in the 2nd half.

All Blacks wallop the Wallabies because of course they did

John Eales. Hero to zero. Lost all respect for the guy.

All Blacks wallop the Wallabies because of course they did

What do people expect?
Cheika is totally unaccountable to anyone. Promotes Grey unbelievably. Selections are mystifying. An then that Michael Hooper interview…. OMG. Sickening. Michael Lynagh has just gone nuts in the UK on the telecast here.
And yet we will still be accused of ‘Tah bashing’.
Feel sick and appalled.

All Blacks wallop the Wallabies because of course they did

That’s total BS.
These players are supposedly the best we have. They should not be down 40-6 at half time in a homes test against anyone.
Cheik’s sections have been and continue to be totally mystifying. Totally unbalanced back row, chopping and changing, rushing Beale back. Selecting Grey to head up the Defence when his provincial record over the last 2 seasons is among the worst for defensive coaches/ systems.
The ARU decisions and the way they run the game will make it worse. But that doesn’t excuse this performance or explain why nobody is tackling!

Wallabies vs All Blacks: Bledisloe Cup Game 1 live scores, blog

Absolutely sickening. But most of us predicted it, just not as bad.
This is the outcome of Cheika not being accountable to anyone.
Jake White needs to come in to oversee. If Cheika doesn’t like it he should resign.
Full review of the back room staff. Grey needs to go immediately. Get on the phone to John Muggleton.
And the selection process needs changing. Cheika has far too much power and his selection strategy is mystifying and wrong, wrong, wrong.

Wallabies vs All Blacks: Bledisloe Cup Game 1 live scores, blog

Not about replacing him its about him being accountable. It is all on Cheika and his ridiculous decisions to promote Grey to head of defence and appalling selections.
Jake White needs to come in to oversee. A full review of the backroom staff. Grey gone instantly. And a selection board needs to come in that has the ability to challenge Cheika.

Wallabies vs All Blacks: Bledisloe Cup Game 1 live scores, blog

The worst thing is we are still going to have people trying to tell us all we are Tah bashing!
What coach of any Australian national side could get away with this.
The most appalling defensive performance I have ever seen from a Wallaby side.
And we all predicted it. Shocking selections and the promotion of Nathan Grey!

Wallabies vs All Blacks: Bledisloe Cup Game 1 live scores, blog

What is going on?!
Never seen such bad defence by the Wallabies ever. Could be to do with having a totally unbalanced back row and Nathan Grey as a defensive coach.
On this performance, Cheika seriously needs to consider his position or at least make whole sale changes to his backroom staff. Not working and no excuses- they’ve been together 4 weeks!

Wallabies vs All Blacks: Bledisloe Cup Game 1 live scores, blog

Absolutely atrocious.
We will be accused of Tah bashing but the defence is atrocious, the back row anonymous and Hannigan anonymous within the back row, totally ineffective.
Very first minute the All Blacks were breaking tackles, off loading and making easy yards. Lost count of missed tackles and defensive misreads after 25 minutes.
How is Nathan Grey in a job?

Wallabies vs All Blacks: Bledisloe Cup Game 1 live scores, blog

slacker
Aaron Smith got caught in an airport toilet with a consenting woman. Stupid thing to do but I’d argue that was far less an offence than Kurtly’s rap sheet.
Also, Smith was excluded for a test (or two) and by all accounts tearfully apologised to his team for letting the All Black family down. As far as I can tell, Beale has never shown much genuine contrition for anything he has done, almost as bad as JOC. That is a key issue I have with him but one Cheika seems to not worry much about. “I care about good rugby players, thats all my job requires” etc.

Michael Cheika's time is running out

Damo. Ask yourself this. What coach, in any Aussie sport, could survive a 3nil home series loss against England? Imagine if the Ashes are lost 3-1 or 4-1 or 5nil. The coach, captain and probably key players would all be under severe pressure to quit.
That is before the loss to Scotland and the ‘almost loss’ to Italy. Cheika has had a soft ride from the media, ARU and public so far.

Michael Cheika's time is running out

Thanks Daveski
Selection is a huge issue and an area where I think Cheika doesn’t always follow his own advice.
The fact is that the Waratahs finished 2nd last in the Aussie conference. At times this year, they seemed totally rudderless and almost to give up when the going got tough. Their skills also often let them down. The same could be said for all Aussie sides but the Waratahs were particularly bad (as their final table position showed). I focussed on the Waratahs, not to ‘Tah Bash’ but because of that.

Michael Cheika's time is running out

Fin
My intention was not to ‘Tah Bash’.
I have been a Cheika fan and followed him closely at Leinster. Similarly, I have lots of time for Hooper, the grief he cops for a supposed lack of work ethic/ swanning around out wide is totally unjustified.
BUT, Cheika (and Hooper) have shown some very poor judgement and hypocrisy over the years. Too much of what Cheika says isn’t followed up by real actions and tangible policy.
Also, ask yourself this. What other sporting coach in Australia could lose a home series to England 3 nil and still be in a job? Worse, losing to Scotland and being pushed perilously close by Italy at home the next year was unbelievable.
Cheika has been around 2/3 years now as the national coach and I think the public and media have been far to lenient on him.

Michael Cheika's time is running out

Ruckin
My biggest problem with Hooper being made 7 is that it effectively stops competition for the open-side flanker position. That is arguably our only position in the forwards where we have a genuine World XV contender in Pocock (when he’s back at the end of the year).

Michael Cheika's time is running out

Frisky- agreed.
The article says time is running out for Cheika, not that it has.

Michael Cheika's time is running out

Pocock is due back at the end of the year.
7 is probably the only position in the forwards where we have truly world XV contenders yet we limit our options there now by Hooper being named captain. He is not as good as Pocock and arguably Gill is/ was a better 7 but was forced off shore due to lack of opportunity in the national set up.

Michael Cheika's time is running out

Thanks Mania
To be clear for some of the others, it wasn’t designed as ‘Waratah’s Bashing’ nor was it trying to perpetuate the campaign against Hooper’s captaincy. I think Sydney has produced the majority of Wallaby coaches because they were the best available (Jones, McKenzie, Cheika). I also think Hooper is a wonderful player not deserving of the grief he cops, he just isn’t the best 7 we have (I think he’s behind Pocock and Gill).
My BIG issue is that I think Cheika has been hypocritical and shown poor judgement on a host of matters. He undoubtedly thinks he has until after the RWC regardless of performance. My view is that the ARU should be firing a few warning shots. There are other options- maybe it is nearing the time that we let White, Ackerman or even Wessels apply…

Michael Cheika's time is running out

Jock
When you think of the stars (and depth) at Eddie’s disposal you have to wonder whether England will be harder to beat than the Lions, especially given they will have plenty of preparation time.
Any nation that has Itoje, Kruis, Lawes and Launchbury all as locks must be in great nick. England’s ‘C Team’ with all the Lions missing still managed a 2 nil series win in Argentina.
If nothing else, the LIons series should alert the Kiwi public to the fact that England will be a major threat (not just another NH side)

With the series now done and dusted, it's clear the Lions were underestimated

Spot on Tigranes
Billy Vunipola was a massive loss and was a nailed on certainty for the 23, if not to start. I thought the NZ bench struggled to make the impact that the Lions bench did. Sinkler and Lawes were immense when they came on and Vunipola would have really hurt the AB’s with 25 to go. Best ball carrier in rugby in my view and 2nd best No.8 behind Read.
And let’s not forget the Lions test side had 2 games (Canterbury and the Maori) to prepare for the first test.

With the series now done and dusted, it's clear the Lions were underestimated

Taylorman
Just curious about what you classify/ define as ‘hard data’.
As I say in the article, the warning signs were there 2-3 months ago:
(a) You had a Saracens side that had played some sensational rugby against high quality teams and won 2 European titles in a row (it went on to provide Vunipola, George, Itoje and Farrell- all key men for the Lions).
(b) You had England who had beaten the Wallabies 3 nil in Australia and won a Grand Slam for the first time in more than 10 years.
(c) Then there was Ireland who had gained enormous belief from the 2 tests against NZ in 2016. Sean O’Brien is the sort of 7 that the Kiwis hate to play against and affects their flow- slows the ball, holds players up, disrupts the breakdown.
(d) Farrell had already beaten the AB’s in 2012, had won 2 European championships and back to back Six nations all by 25. He had played at 12 for 2 seasons for England and been dynamic and much more than a ‘kicker’.
The All Blacks are also an incredibly young side and Reed had lost a ton of leadership (McCaw, Carter, Mealamu, Nonu, Smith).
This isn’t a ‘I told you so’ article. But I think NZ needs to be fully on alert for England now. I think they will be tougher to beat than the Lions.

With the series now done and dusted, it's clear the Lions were underestimated

Tim
Agreed. There is definitely a concern that the forward pack is performing brilliantly and the backs are not. As you say, having that much possession and failing to do allot with it is a worry.
I have long said that Farrell needs to play at 12 outside of Sexton precisely for the reason that two distributors would keep defences guessing and bring players like Davies, North and Watson into the game more. That’s aid, Te’o was man of the match against the Maori but nobody seemed to be running off his shoulder and his line breaks were squandered.

Gatland's selections tarnish dominant win

Moaman
Very good point.
You wouldn’t expect there to be a big difference but it boils down to certain ‘key’ players performing against the Crusaders and Maori and other ‘key’ players not against Otago and Auckland.
Jamie George has surprisingly emerged as the favourite to start the tests ahead of Owen and Best.
Sean O’Brien has been immense whereas Warburton is struggling to get back from injury.
Kruis has been the best lock on tour whereas Wynn-Jones is off the pace.
CJ Stander has dropped off from his 6 Nations form and Faletau has improved.
Murray has been streets ahead of the other half backs.
Would be really interested to hear what Kiwis think of the likes of Sean O’Brien and Peter O’Mahoney so far and who they would pick in the bets Lions side for the test.

Gatland's selections tarnish dominant win

Buk
There are always selection debates, especially at the time of the Lions’ squad announcement. This year Launchbury’s omission was the focus but most moved on.
However, Gatland taking the approach that he did with the replacements has caused an absolute storm in British and Irish rugby from the grass roots to the top levels.

Gatland's selections tarnish dominant win