The Socceroos team of the future

By Pippinu / Roar Guru

In the lead up to the Socceroos’ crunch game against Japan, it’s useful to think about the likely make-up of the squad over the next eighteen months.

There have been some notable retirements, but an argument could be made that a newer batch of players offsets those retirements. And with interest.

By the time the 2010 World Cup comes along, our more experienced players will be at the following ages:
Mark Schwarzer – 38
Craig Moore – 35
Scott Chipperfield – 34
Mark Viduka – 34
Lucas Neill – 32
Brett Emerton – 31
Harry Kewell – 31
Mile Sterjovski – 31
Vince Grella – 30
Mark Bresciano – 30
Jason Culina – 29
Tim Cahill – 28
Luke Wilkshire – 28

Age of older fringe squad members in mid 2010 (including those from the A-League, now and recent past):
Tom Pondeljak – 34
Clint Bolton – 34
Michael Petkovic – 33
Jacob Burns – 32
Danny Allsopp – 32
Archie Thompson – 31
Simon Colosimo – 31
Paul Reid – 31
Chris Coyne – 31
Adam Griffiths – 31
Travis Dodd – 30
Joel Griffiths – 30
Dean Heffernan – 30
Shane Steffanutto – 30
Patrick Kisnorbo – 29
Michael Beauchamp – 29
Eugene Galekovic – 29
Jade North – 28
Richard Garcia – 28
Matt McKay – 27

Age of younger and/or less experienced squad members in mid 2010:
Nick Carle – 28
Brad Jones – 28
Ryan Griffiths – 28
Mark Thwaite – 27
Jonathon McKain – 27
Josh Kennedy – 26
Scott McDonald – 26
David Carney – 26
Brett Holman – 26
Billy Celeski – 26
Mile Jedinak – 26
Carl Valeri – 25
Nikolai Torpor-Stanley – 25
Adam Federici – 25
Mark Milligan – 24
Neil Kilkenny – 24

Age of young up and comers in mid 2010 (0-2 caps):
Nathan Coe – 26
Danny Vukovic – 25
Stuart Musialik – 25
Adrian Leijer – 24
Mark Bridge – 24
Matt Simon – 24
Kristian Sarkies – 23
Bruce Djite – 23
Tando Velaphi – 23
Nigel Boogard – 23
Nikita Rukavytsya – 23
James Wesolowski – 22
Leigh Broxham – 22
David Williams -22
Matthew Spiranovic – 22
Nathan Burns – 22
Scott Jamieson – 21
Michael Zullo – 21
James Holland – 21
James Troisi – 21

Experienced squad members
There are 13 names in the list of our more experienced and regular Socceroos. The oldest, Schwarzer, will be 38 in mid 2010. This is not too old for a goal keeper, recording that Dino Zoff captained Italy to a World Cup victory in 1982 at the ripe old age of 40.

Great confidence was shown in Schwarzer recently, allowing him to arrive 36 hours before kick off, and he didn’t let us down.

It would be a mistake to think he is a certainty. But at the moment, the goalkeeping role, at least for the remainder of the qualifiers, looks his to lose.

We then have three players aged 34-35, which is pretty much at the extreme end of an international player’s career (ordinarily).

One would suspect that Chippers is unlikely to figure in 2010 given the amount of running required by his position in the modern age, and our succession planning for his LB role (which he has seemingly owned for an eternity) has been in place for the last 12 to 18 months, although Carney is yet to make it his own.

Stefanutto remains an option, and Scott Jamieson is rapidly catching them both (and is certainly young enough to get even better).

I left Aloisi out because he is as good as retired, and he would also be 34 in 2010, like Dukes, who is yet to make his intentions known, and who looks more and more unlikely to figure with every club game he misses through injury.

We all know that

Pim remains ultra keen on Dukes, and why not? He is still playing at the highest level and against the lesser team, he will always present them with a massive headache.

Dukes’ style of game is one that he can probably carry on until the age of 34: utilising his bulk to gain and maintain his position and his excellent technique to farm it off or have a shot. I don’t think that this attribute will diminish when he is 34, so I think he is still a chance to squeeze into any squad of 23 for 2010.

Craig Moore has done a sterling job since stepping back into the national team, but at 35, it’s likely that Pim will be looking to others to fill the central defensive positions.

We then have nine players who will be aged between 28 and 32 – all currently playing in the top leagues of Europe. All of the nine played in 2006 and with a little luck will be at the top of their game in 2010 – absolutely wonderful news for our national team.

At 32, if he retains his fitness, I’m sure that Neill will still be playing at the top level. Emerton, Cahill, Culina, Bresciano, Grella and Wilkshire will form the bedrock of an excellent starting line-up.

Harry has had his well publicised injury problems, but with his slow recovery and then return to form with Galatasaray, I would not discount his presence in 2010.

He may even be fitter and better than he was in 2006.

The last player on the list is Sterjovski, who has slowly played himself back into contention. He now seems likely to become a squad member for 2010, and while he will not be an automatic selection, will provide decent cover for our AMs.

One player bordering this group is Brett Holman.

There’s no doubt that Pim sees Brett as his Mr Fix-it for certain very specific midfield roles. Pim will definitely be able to use him in the World Cup format, where teams confront a variety of possibilities and where survival is the name of the game (so, he won’t be in the squad to score goals).

Older fringe players
Looking through this list, there aren’t too many who are likely to rise to the top between now and 2010. I think we can dismiss the outfield players aged 32 and over. Of the keepers, there are a few younger keepers coming through that may well challenge Schwarzer over the next two years, but perhaps not in time for the finals themselves.

Galekovic has given himself every opportunity of taking one of the two spots available, after the Schwatter.

Of those aged 30 and 31, Coyne and Stefanutto have every chance of figuring because of particular circumstances. Coyne is as good a chance as any to become Neill’s partner in the centre of defence, and Stefanutto is Carney’s main rival for replacing Chippers on the left side of the back four.

The three defenders towards the bottom of the list – Beauchamp, Kisnorbo and North – are in an interesting position. Not only will all three be aged under 30 in 2010, but if Coyne fails to nail that defensive spot, it’s likely one of these three will (unless a bolter like Spiranovic beats them to the punch, which is a possibility).

Less experienced squad members
This list includes a range of youngish players who have been capped less than 12 times. Carle, Jones and Ryan Griffiths will be 28 in 2010, which means they have time to make a mark, but at the same time, it is rapidly running out as others come through.

Of these three, Carle is in the best position to progress, especially if he can continue his form in the Championship. Jones needs to become a regular keeper now otherwise he may lose his chance. I think Ryan Griffiths will (or has) run out of time.

We then have two defenders who will be aged 27 in 2010: Thwaite and McKain. Thwaite has done himself no favours in a below average season with the Victory, and even looks like not even figuring in the current finals campaign.

McKain did much better for the Nix, and the door remains slightly open for him (but he has plenty of competition).

Some absolute gems are to be found amongst those aged 24 to 26 in this group: Josh, Scotty, Carney and Valeri. All have featured in recent Socceroo games.

Valeri looks more than an adequate back up for Grella in the holding role – that’s an important position that we can tick. They will all be involved in 2010.

The younger ones in this group have their work cut out for themselves, but have time to push for the following World Cup.

Players with less than three caps
Some wonderful young talent is to be found in this list. The older two will push for the remaining goalkeeping positions.

Olyroo fixtures, NTS and Musialik will be 25 in 2010 and approaching their peak as footballers. Neither of them really set the world alight this year, the same goes for Bridge, but time is on their sides.

Djite will be 23 in 2010, and thus has plenty of time left to make his mark beyond. It’s good to know that a player of his quality is coming through the ranks. He may well yet challenge for a spot in the squad, especially if Dukes is out of the scene by then.

The same goes for Burns.

Spiranovic is the jewell in the crown amongst this grouping. He is quite young and will only be 22 in 2010. He remains a dark horse to fill that centre-half role alongside Neill – do not be surprised if he leapfrogs the likes of Coyne, North, Beauchamp and Kisnorbo in the next two years, thus becoming a 10 year Socceroo.

It’s incredible to think that Jamo, Holland and Troisi will only be 21 in 2010, underscoring our talent in the attacking department. At most, one might squeeze into the 2010 squad, but all three are likely to figure prominently beyond that.

The Crowd Says:

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2009-02-18T05:12:13+00:00

Pippinu

Roar Guru


My latest blog on 442 is up: http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/96698,blog-three-worthy-of-our-attention.aspx

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2009-02-17T23:59:11+00:00

Pippinu

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Matt thanks for that - I didn't know that - then again it's nothing out of the ordinary. Unless you're a winger who can double seamlessly as a striker (and many can), most wide players are going to have a defensive aspect to their game, and many will be able to convert to playing as an attacking wing-back, even an outright full back, if picked up early enough. Didn't Emo start as a midfielder? We've been witnessing Carney's conversion the last 18 months (with mixed results, but he may still manage it). Wilkshire's flexibility in managing both roles seamlessly makes him a more useful player (having two on the same side in the one team, like him and Emo, is even better). Do you remember that Uzbeki left back in the Asian Cup - something like Desinov (?) - he was a midfielder come left back - and boy didn't he show his pedigree!!

2009-02-17T08:20:04+00:00

Matt

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MD - He was released by Gary Megson last season, who knows what the reasons were tho there is a possibility Jamieson asked for a release because he wasnt getting anywhere. Pippinu - Jamieson was signed by Bolton as a left midfield player and they then converted him to left back, so he has only played in the left back role for a few seasons, tho being a midfielder turned left back does have its advantages when counter attacking. Time will tell if he is the real deal tho.

2009-02-17T07:50:27+00:00

dasilva

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Pip It was my fault for hijacking it. Although I would like you check out some of my songs on that mp3.com link and give an opinion of it.

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2009-02-17T06:45:22+00:00

Pippinu

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thanks md! I keep forgetting this is my thread - indeed, I've almost last track of what this thread was about!

2009-02-17T06:36:28+00:00

md

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Matt - was he released by fat Sam? If so, he was probably unneeded. When was the last time fat Sam used a winger anyway? Pip - congrats on reaching 200. Cheers md.

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2009-02-17T06:21:10+00:00

Pippinu

Roar Guru


Mid I only just realised you guys were still posting here! Matt interesting comment about Jamo - mind you plenty in Australia aren't won on him yet - my view is a simple one - natural left backs are worth their weight in gold, if you have one, unless they absolutely hopeless, stick with them . In my book, Jamo has done enough, being only 21, to warrant a bit of looking after.

2009-02-17T06:15:18+00:00

Matt

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I was in a Bolton Wonderers forum reading up on there youth prospects and it was mentioned that fans were annoyed Jamieson was released, aparently he was one of the most naturaly gifted left sided players to come through in years .... I know alot of people are very pensive over the future socceroos line up, given that the players being talked about are in a 17 - 24 year age bracket and alot can happen in a few seasons of football, however when i look down the list i do see a bright future. One way to look at it would be to take your mind back to say world cup 98 qualification and the youth players we had back then, at that point football commentators were already labeling the next decade a very dark time for Australian Football, yet many are now part of a so called "golden generation" a classic example being Schwartzer as #2 and many people hesitant to see him take over as #1 after Bosnich .... Rukavitzia, Zullo, Millincolin (totaly spelt wrong!) Spiranovic, Holland, Kantarovski, Coe, Wesolowski el tal ... they will all hit a wall at some point in there career's but its not usualy hit till about age 26 so they will get better, its not a matter of IF they will. The youth league, a-league and asian qualification will all only contribute to a stronger national team.

2009-02-17T00:19:28+00:00

Kazama

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I have a feeling I will cop stick tonight at FOB for being one of the oldest people there (I'm 24)! I really like their music though, so I will try to not give a damn that 3/4 of the crowd will be screaming teenage girls.

2009-02-17T00:12:35+00:00

dasilva

Roar Guru


MId different interpretations are equally valid What the songs means to the individuals can be different to the actual song writer and are equally valid as music is a personal thing. Despite protestation from Michael Stipe that the song isn't about religion - they certainly put a lot of religious imagery in the video clip to propagate that myth REM are a lot more then those two singles. The New Adventures in Hi Fi is their best album and it was a commercial flop. Kaz No worries I certainly don't have any problem telling people I like REM nowadays I freely admit of liking the likes of REM, U2, Crowded House and SPlit Enz. Even got a bit of stick about going to Split Enz reunion concert and being one of the youngest people there

2009-02-16T22:26:19+00:00

Kazama

Roar Guru


dasilva Cheers. I don't have any friends who play drums or keyboard, but in my work I meet a lot of people so if I run into anyone who does I'll mention you. "although I didn’t go around admitting it, REM ain’t a cool band to listen to, connotations of listening music that your parents likes" Never be embarrassed to tell people the music you like mate. The music you like is a part of who you are and it's nothing to be ashamed of. Don't try to look cool, just be yourself.

2009-02-16T22:24:43+00:00

Midfielder

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Pip We have taken over your post hope you don't mind ... but you are into music so put up some of your stuff.

2009-02-16T22:08:55+00:00

Midfielder

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Das Love REM and Everybody Hurts and Losing my religion are their tag songs I guess ... but both very powerful .. thats for the insight about the song meaning "going insane" I always through it meant life was changing your past value systems and morals were being cast aside for what was now. Pink Floyd .. what a band ... not sure if the Moodies influenced PF althrough I am sure they did more the Album style of the Moodies allowed a lot of bands to follow suit and produce Albums rather than singles and PF greatest strenght is in their Albums rather than their singles ... very hard to pick a best PF so many to choose from.. but my favorite Album of theirs was Dark Side of the Moon

2009-02-16T15:13:13+00:00

dasilva

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Since we are in the mood to post up youtube links here's losing my religion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6u3RD15mlo

2009-02-16T15:08:18+00:00

dasilva

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Thanks Midfielder Looks like good lyrics. I can see how people can be moved by it. Another band to put on the "to listen" list. I like Pink Floyd especially the Syd Barrett - Pipers at the gates of dawn album which is one of the greatest debut album of all time. If Moody Blues influence Pink Floyd then it must be something worth listening to. The "Breathe Deep....And which is an illusion" Sounds like - fitter happier of the 60's. Strange My equivalent teenage song is "Losing My Religion" by REM. Quite a popular song (although I didn't go around admitting it, REM ain't a cool band to listen to, connotations of listening music that your parents likes) When I first found out what the song was about (it's not about religion. It's about unrequited love. Losing my religion is a saying in southern USA meaning going insane). I had this feeling that this song was speaking directly to me and that song was the soundtrack of my life throughout high school.

2009-02-16T14:25:21+00:00

Midfielder

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Das Another Moody Blues off the "A Question of Balance " album and its for AU...nay .... it's for QLD Roar ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC5WiIY0fmE

2009-02-16T13:19:43+00:00

Midfielder

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Das For the lyrics you can use http://album.lyricsfreak.com/m/moody+blues/a+question+of+balance_20007402.html

2009-02-16T13:06:59+00:00

Midfielder

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Jimbo What a great voice ... man so many people with so much talent and often the ones with huge amounts are poorly managed ...kinda in many ways like football was for so many years ... But man what a voice

2009-02-16T12:59:34+00:00

Midfielder

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Das IMO one of the most influential bands of all times was “The Moody Blues “ Pink Floyd would not have happened without …The Moodies … being a band more known for their albums that singles.. they had such great titles … A Question of Balance, Days of future past, On the Threashold of a Dream, To our Childrens Childrens Children,… At about your age or younger I listen to a song of their's called … Question…and the part that meant so much to me was .. and to this day I can still recite it and when my son then 22 was having some trouble I brought him a book and wrote the first two paragraphs on the inside cover and he turned to me and said how id I know … I said life experience BTW there this is quite a long song Between the silence of the mountains And the crashing of the sea There lies a land I once lived in And shes waiting there for me. But in the grey of the morning My mind becomes confused Between the dead and the sleeping And the road that I must choose. Im looking for someone to change my life. Im looking for a miracle in my life. And if you could see what its done to me To lose the the love I knew Could safely lead me to The land that I once knew. To learn as we grow old The secrets of our souls. At this point in time I was failing at my studies, trying to hold on to a job I had lied myself into overstating my knowledge and experience, just broken up with the only girl I have ever cared about, (latter on went on to marry her and over 30 years latter and still going strong), breaking up or more drifting away from my best friend as his and my ethical and moral value where getting to far apart, moving away from childhood friends, had no understanding of the world I was moving into or how it worked, fighting to hold my place in a semi professional RL team. So I drove my car onto a building site in early December one night near were I lived and just sat down and had a heart to heart with myself and this song was for me anyway not so much a life changing song but a song that was so much about me at a particular time in my life … so I hope you enjoy this song its from one of my all time favorite bands and my favorite song of theirs and to boot a song that still means a lot to me. BTW this is a TV recording not the Album recording I think the Album was better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yco6eN5KIOY but as I said in an earlier posts bands got to play live on TV then. BTW I am sure you can find the lyrics on google but two sites and the post does not go through …

2009-02-16T12:47:21+00:00

jimbo

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What about Tom whiskey Waites' version of Waltzing Matilda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrkThaBWa5c&feature=related makes the hairs on the back of your liver stand up. :)

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