Should penalties decide football matches?

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why shou8ldnt they? penalties are a part of football and they always will be. they should bring back golden goal

A simple solution to avoiding a dreaded penalty shoot-out, is to not allow goal keepers to handle the ball in extra time. Keepers literally become another defender, and it keeps to the fundamentals of the game of not handling the ball. The incentive to go for goal is far greater than the impulse to play for penalties.. something like this is worthy of a trial I imagine, they could tweak this concept of course eg. the only time keepers can't handle the ball in extra time is on corners.

ill tell you what should NOT decide football matches and thats the away goals rule. stupid rule and it clearly gives the upper hand to the return team

cut the cr*p and play drop-offs: 7.5 minutes with 9 players per team then 7.5 minutes with 7 players per team. It's very exciting, the crowds love it and you HAVE to try to score.

Why don't they do away with the offside rule during extra time. it opens up the field of play as opposed to being restricted to where ever the defenders line is. It would let players use the whole elngth of the field and create spaces in the middle. Sure you might get route one football, but that happens now, so nothing different really. They don't have an offisde rule in hockey and you don't see blowout scores there either. You will still have players fatigued as they are now. personally I don't see any negattives to it.

btw - TahDan sorry for the 'TrueDan',

dasilva - please refer to my response to your request on the other thread as it does not belong on this thread.

Art Sapphire "Its that when you make big statements you don’t back it up with facts." Now that you mention it. I'm truly interested in you coming back to my article (FIFA eligibility) and back up some of your criticism of my comments. I find a lot of it as playing the man not the ball and I'm truly am curious to what's your actual objection about what I'm saying and why it is a load of rubbish.

Back on topic - Yes Penalties definitely! I used to hate them, but after the Johnny Aloisi penalty kick - it was a memorable and fitting way to end one of the most exciting nights of football this country has ever seen. A game of chances and a truly wonderful way to break the Curse of the Socceroos after 32 years of frustration and being on the wrong side of lady luck.

Micheal C, You make some good points there. Indeed, I am of one mind with you in thinking that soccer’s massive size is simultaneously its greatest strength and most debilitating weakness; being able to move the game all over the world and command the greatest audience, yet also finding it nigh on impossible to affect changes in rules so as to evolve their game in any meaningful way (for instance the lack of video assistance) due to all the conflicting voices within its oversized governing body. And you’re right; the local should most certainly not be brushed aside in favour of the global. Variety is the spice of life after all, which again goes back to what Australia offers to a sports fan: choice.

re all the above and Arts comment I don’t detest the AFL, I am just aware of its place in the grand scheme of things. Can I just say - I've always viewed it like the Australian Move/Music industries, I'll focus on music for this purpose. The local performers/artists are faced with a barrage, a bombardment of international 'cultural imperialism', and yet, have managed to hold on and do okay - - however, there's those who seek to head off OS to 'break' the US or UK market, and there's those quite content with being big locally and not really giving a stuff what anyone in New York thinks of them and their music/art. We know well enough that popular culture in terms of the biggest selling bands seems to justify a claim to greatness. ONce upon a time Milli Vanilli, Bros, Vanilla Ice etc were the biggest selling acts going around. So, we know that claims based on that basis are fraught with danger. I would have thought that most the 'intellectuals' on theRoar would have a real soft spot for localised music culture (i.e. find the Luka Blooms et al or Ireland in your travels, or the Mick Thomas' et al of Australia etc). Without the true culturally distinct balladeers, story tellers - - then, we may as well give in to the global commercialised nature of mass produced music. NOw = to ever imagine that you can glean all you need to know about music and it's many layers and cultural significance and the stories and learnings and teachings available - to assume you can glean it all from the Stock,Aitken, Waterman stable of the 80s/90s for example - is absolute folly. WHy then do some folk assume that the world of soccer is fully self containing of all sporting wisdom that can or should be known/applied? We know from the business world, that the large global corporations can get burdened by their size. Sure, they have the distribution networks, as to the global music labels. But, they have the overheads and requirements to churn out 'product for product sake'. It's the smaller, regional or national based independants that offer variety, flexability, more pro-active structuring and decision making not burdened by multi national politics/antagonisms. So, I find it ironic that many from the AFL 'world' have travelled the 'real' world and studied the NFL, the EPL, the NBA from both an on and off field perspective. Surely, surely common sense would suggest that it would be sensible for soccer folk to leverage off the capacity for an independant like the AFL to pick and choose the best of worlds practice and see how it's applied. Lack of global size does not invalidate the AFL as a potential bastion of worlds best practice. and TrueDan - it's oh so easy just to fall in line with the rest of the world. I think people like Pip and I get annoyed when there appear those who choose to hate and hope for the downfall of the AFL - rather than recognise it as a unique and valuable component of the Australian landscape that (like or not) is worth celebrating. Whether 50% or 60% of people engage in it is not the issue. How many Australians each year traverse the Harbour bridge or gaze up at Uluru or live in swim Bondi Beach or by a multi parks pass on the GC. It doesn't have to be 100% blanket coverage. I'm not sure why some folk believe it is difficient if it isn't or demand that it must to be valid.

Some good posts there TahDan, a good perspective on the Australian context.

Millster, Yes, that's precisely what I was getting at. Being a soccer fan in countries like Australia, NZ, the United States etc is very much a counter culture position. Sport is a bit like religion though, once set in it can be very hard to change. The benefit that the soccer fans in Australia have over the next few generations is that we are an immigrant nation, with people arriving every year that will grow up without the sporting baggage of the established culture (of course this will cut both ways, with some having no allegiances and others being already established by their parents as soccer fans). But of course, when it comes down to it these are just games and despite the passions that are so often raised on forums such as these Australia will always be a unique land in its ability to support numerous codes of football, which is quite a rare phenomenon in the world and something we should be thankful for.

TahDan - you raise some interesting points. Somethings to contemplate. Good on you for bringing up cultural imperialism because this can be applied to sport many levels. It will need to be addressed a later time and maybe in a new post. I have a mixed futsal game beckoning. I will then back on the pedestal that Pip built to do some thinking.

Pip - careful re "willing to spurn your own culture in doing so" Firstly it may not be his own culture - and by that to be clear I'm not suggesting Australian culture but rather AFL culture (which is quite different and NOT a default part of Australian culture) Second he didn't seem to be spurning it, to me he just seems to have a globally rather than locally/parochially calibrated view of the relative importance of things. TahDan - interesting, most of all because the paradox in Australia has been that following the "world's game" has been the counter-culture here, and following domestic fringe codes has been the mainstream. As a country we've been 180 degrees skewiff for a century in terms of what you right and have just started what I think is a 2-3 decade process of doing the big and long-overdue U turn.

Wow! This has turned into something akin to a sociology tutorial :P . Should we start discussing globalisation next? and whether or not it can accurately be viewed through the lens of cultural imperialism? In any case, Art is right, culture is not fixed. Nevertheless context and time still plays a part in discussions such as these. I find a lot of soccer fans in Australia, especially those who have grown up seeing their sport derided as a game for "wogs, poofers and sheilas" (as the saying was), are now joyfully getting their own back now on the heels of the game's recent surge in popularity by hopping on the "world game" pedestal; a position from which all other sports are viewed and derided as being irrelevant and indicative insular arrogance due to their limited international scope. The fact that soccer is the only true world sport, is constantly brought up as evidence that being a fan is reflective of some how being "part of the world". This is of course not the case with everyone, but it does seem to be the common knee-jerk reaction from soccer fans who confront anyone who either deride their game or (in the more sensitive cases), suggests that it should be more like their own preferred football code (this is even more common if you’ve ever heard a discussion with an Americans and Europeans discussing sport). This is certainly understandable and is in that sense a classic “counter culture” position, but nevertheless all it ends up doing is entrenching both camps further. Not singling you out as doing this art, as I think you’re more open minded than that, but some of your responses are certainly tinged with this attitude.

Does that mean you really are a wanna-be ultra??

Pip - touring favelas trying to find the next Rivaldo can be tiring. So while I am recuperating on my grand pedestal, I will make sure that I get a chance to share my football wisdom with the Roar community. What is culture Pip? Culture is never fixed, its fluid. Therefore, I am not spurning any culture. Otherwise, we'd still be wearing animal skins, clubbing animal for sport and grunting at the missus. Actually, come to think of it, I know a few people like that. So you might have a point there : )

Art still smacks of the "I'm a truer fan than you" malaise. You will have many opportunities to show it in the coming months. I will read your posts with extra interest now that you have placed yourself on such a grand pedestal. I will need a fair bit of convincing that you're not just another wanna-be ultra, yearning for acceptance from your cohorts across the globe, willing to spurn your own culture in doing so, dreaming of being able to walk into a favela, unkempt and barefoot, and hoping that you will be accepted as one of them...