Can Freo fans take this rubbish anymore?

Rich_daddy don't forget Peter Bell and Winnie Arbraham who both blossomed at North Melbourne. (we've done our share of recycling Freo lads - - not entirely successful - but, trying to top up in the 2000s with Spida Burton, Dhurkkay (rip), Brown and Sinclair - - oh 'eck, in there way back was Chris Groom!!!) Freo made the mistake of judging Farmer and Medhurst together rather than apart - and, when willing to call stumps on Farmer, should have retained Medhurst.

Get Sadaam Hussein to run the training sessions Tell the players to run down the corridor and kick it to pavlich More aggressive players like Solomon Recruit Barry Hall Give them a 100 pt head start

Yeah Freo form has been shocking, but this is hardly new. Since joining the league in 1995 they have only made the finals twice and in one of those years they were belted in the first week by Essendon. That suggests to me that there are far more deep rooted problems. Player performance is another big one. Adam McPhee was ordinary at Fremantle but has played some strong footy at Essendon. Paul Medhurst is the classic example. When Freo traded him for Chris Tarrant most people thought Freo had done a decent deal. Fast forward two years and Paul Medhurst has gone from an ordinary player to All Australian selection in 2008 and is one of Collingwood's best players. Chris Tarrant on the other hand has done very little at Fremantle and now plays in the back line despite playing most of his career at full forward. Brodie Holland and James Clement also spring to mind. Yes freo have some problems but as a swans supporter, I am a bit nervous about the game on Subiaco on Saturday.

Freo expectations surely weren't high for this year??? And, seemingly their fans were aware (as you'd expect), and it's only the blindness to happenings west of Ceduna that see Melb media caught a little by surprise. Be they good or bad, too old or too slow - after last year, the following players were delisted/retired/traded - M.Carr, J.Carr, S.McManus, P.Bell, Mark Johnson and H.Black. That's taken a hugh number of games experience and hardened bodies out of the midfield rotations. The question of course is on some of the recruiting such as Mark Johnson from Essendon. Tarrant and Solomon too are dubious recruitment decisions, although, Solomon can add value if not suspended and Taz seems to be settling okay up back. Freo lacked pace and have decided to clean out. Suddenly Ibbottson and Palmer and Hill are required to play 'A' grade roles. They aren't up to it (yet). Reality presently is that Sandilands is down a bit, and, even when winning in the ruck, Freo seem to be wasting his natural advantage by not winning the clearances, which begs the question of why so many hardened bodies were jettisoned from that area. Perhaps they just desperately want to fast track Palmer et al. That means a season of pain.

Squizzy? rebuild what? they have never built anything that has fallen and needed to be fixed.... Two points that sum up Freo and why they are so bad. 1) Recruited 'star' forward who has clear attitude issues and cant even average 2 goals per game. CT was, like some of the boys at Richmond, made by the Victorian centric press. If he had performed like he did at Collingwood in any other state no one would have ever heard of him. 2) Although out of form, M Pavolich is their best Forward, Midfield and Back line player. How can you expect to compete?

Freo has some good young players but they need to rebuild. It has to happen this draft or they will find themselves in real trouble for years. They need to hope Melbourne loses less than five games as well as themselves. Then they need to get value out of Pavlich by trading him to Melbourne for there priority pick 1st RD and second selection.

The incompetence of Fremantle management is demonstrated by the fact that Harvey is still coach, even more so - that he was appointed in the first place! He just flopped into the coaching position because management were too lazy to look for the best candidate when they sacked the last coach. If you looked into Harvey's career as a player & an assistant coach, it's pretty obvious he lacks the character for the top job. All he had going for him was that he was an assistant coach to Sheedy at Essendon, - and given the fact that Sheeds was their for 25 ? years - hardly a rare qualification.

Put simply, yes I think Freo fans CAN put up with this rubbish indefinitely. Their club is been pretty much crap since day one, had 15 minutes in the sunshine in 2006 and now has returned to its long term trajectory of incompetence. But they still seem to get 30K plus to all of their home games, so one can only assume that the expectations of fans are sufficiently low that this meets their expectations.

Think your missing the point hear Mark. - Your lists average age is the same as top side St Kilda - Your most paid/ senior players are the ones that are not performing (Halseby, Schammer, Pavlich, Solomon, Tarrent, Bradley etc) - Nothing seems to change, you still suck! year in-year out! - The players do not play for the coach/ team. I think Fremantle are hiding behind the fact that you got rid of several senior players last year and you had several first year players playing this year.