West Ham vs Millwall, an insiders story

By The Crowd / Roar Guru

The two constants of the evening were the echoing of ‘fans’ shouting and the permanent police helicopter, which suggested that trouble was always around the corner.

I saw three separate Millwall firms: one off the tube to Plaistow, one on Green Street outside the ground, and one that was already inside the stadium. When we came out of Plaistow tube station the first Millwall firm piped up. If you don’t know the area, West Ham is surrounded by rabbit-hutch estate roads and which are very narrow.

The journey there was a bit of nightmare as it was getting rather dark and the soundtrack was, as mentioned, always a worry. Also, the fear of the confrontation was exacerbated by the fact that everybody looked the same.

When we came out of the side road toward the stadium and the West Ham ‘goonies’ were waiting for us, there really was no way out and I happened to be right at the front setting the pace.

It was cottage pie in pants time.

One thing I did note was the amount of youths there. There was a mixture of big oldies and young ‘uns. Perhaps due to banning orders?

My friend confirmed this when stating that the majority of people who surrounded us in the West Ham West Stand were not the regular season ticket holders, thereby suggesting that the majority were out for a tear up.

I live in Bromley, South London. Bromley does not have a Bermondsey-esque reputation, but it is nonetheless a Millwall Borough. Millwall hooligans drink in my local pub and my cousin is a Millwall hooligan.

A very close friend of mine is a West Ham season ticket holder.

I like West Ham. It is awash with stereotypical cockney geezers and a rather tender un-Premiership community spirit. In stark contrast to the Inner City Firm dominated 1980s, visiting Upton Park is now quite a nice day out.

What binds the vitriolic dynamic is that both clubs hate Tottenham Hotspur with an unremitting passion. I support Tottenham Hotspur. I am not a hooligan.

It was with a combination of exhilaration and trepidation, therefore, that I accepted a ticket from my West Ham friend to take in the coming West Ham Vs Millwall derby.

Having heard that Millwall were ‘firming’ up at Tower Hill at 10.30, I utilised my university honed intellect to conclude that it would be best to have a pre-match drink in a place other than Tower Hill and any time long after 10.30.

Accordingly, I organised to meet up with some Millwall friends at the Victoria Wetherspoon at 5pm and latterly meet my West Ham friend at Mansion House at 5.30. After pouring copious amounts of utterly ‘jank’ lager down my neck by 6.30 I decided that I had kept my friend waiting long enough and thus I departed for the tube.

Obviously the lager consumption meant that in my haste I staggered onto the West bound tube. At this point I engaged my intellect once more and managed to find my way to the appropriate shuttle. I was off to meet the Beasts from the East.

My arrival at Mansion House coincided with the arrival of about 5 Millwall kiddies.

Too many Aquascutum Flat Caps, a Lewisham swagger and various witless songs gave the game away as to what team these champions supported. The fact that such oafs were freely roaming about confirmed in my head that the game would be completely trouble free.

Rather surprisingly the replica hooligans had brought their girlfriends along. Needless to say these female bruisers made Pat Butcher look the epitome of subtle felinity.

A quick pint of Amstel and a shake of the head, myself, my West Ham friend and his sister plodded down to Mansion House tube station to find our way to Upton Park station. The Millwall plastics had the same idea.

Their stunning vocal repertoire was soon made redundant by the presence of some bigger and older West Ham fans, however. With a new found peace and alcohol inspired warmth I settled down for the lengthy journey. At this point we were meant to be in The Queen market pub.

The shuttle rattled to a halt, and an Irish tube driver informed the contents of a now massively busy carriage that due to “rioting” at Upton Park Station (something that we missed due to my tardiness) all tubes had been told to stop until the Police had cleared the station. Excellent.

This old chestnut was not un-expected, and neither was the crushing demand from my bladder to be emptied ASAP. I bargained with the full organ for half an hour. Unfortunately, I had nothing to bargain with. The tube was packed and stiflingly hot. Conditions were not pleasant.

Arrival at Plaistow confirmed that the fighting had not been limited to the Upton Park area. The Police looked tired and beaten and we were still a good mile away from the ground. Regardless, it was now 7.45 and we were late.

My party broke into a jog which coincided with a mighty roar, “Millwall, Millwall..”. It seems that the entire tube we had just gotten off had been a veritable sardine tin of Millwall hooligans.

This was fine except that the direction that we had broken off in was the complete opposite of the direction the 100 or so Millwall fans were traipsing. A few side glances revealed that the boyos had bigger fish to fry and we were off.

A lack of gym time exposed my weak aerobic fitness but I still led the pack. Within record time (perhaps) we reached Green Street. Unfortunately some other cool cats had the same idea.

In rather bizarre fashion just as I had jogged to within 100 metres of the Boleyn Ground I passed a side street which around 200 angry Millwall fans came pouring out of. My immediate reaction could be defined as anxious, however the fact I was out of breath (as the Millwall fans were too) and happened to be dressed in a jauntily casual attire meant the crew thought I was one of their own.

It was then that I realised that West Ham had a meet and greet party waiting for us. My immediate reaction to that scenario could be defined as more than anxious, especially as I was effectively in the front line of the Millwall bods.

I knew then that I should have definitely bought that nautical distress flair from Millett’s that I had been eyeing up. An interesting side note is that an Asian owned store was completely ignored by the all white Millwall mob, despite the fact that it was being ‘protected’ by only a handful of skinny Asian males and that window smashing was the order of the day.

I had an interesting mental debate about racism at football, but not a particularly lengthy or profound debate.

The Battle of the Boleyn (I say ‘The Battle’ but perhaps ‘A Battle’ is more accurate) commenced and I was stuck in the middle. Literally. Fortunately for me the West Ham party contained probably no more than 50 men.

Less fortunately there was no Police presence whatsoever and these were big and grumpy men (plus a few Rastafarians). It seems that in their infinite wisdom the Police had rushed all their men to Upton Park Station. A group of Millwall fans simply left the scene and outflanked them. Ludicrously simple.

Interestingly, despite the vast numbers only about ten men were fighting in the road. The rest were merely posturing, bouncing up and down and shouting. The atmosphere was absolutely electric: the narrow streets, onset of darkness, sound of the Police helicopter and muffled shouts created a curiously enticing melody. It always amazes me to think that such a narrow arena of hate creates such a broad variety of emotions: paranoia, rage, fear, ecstasy.

Somebody approached me but all I did was dip my shoulder as if to clock a punch, snarl and I was past him onto the stadium front court. At this point I was well ahead of my companions having motioned to my friend and his sister to get well back when the Millwall had turned up.

It turned out that at that exact moment my cousin (whom had informed me the day before that he wasn’t going to attend) had bizarrely appeared at the front of the Millwall mob, seen my friend and his sister and shielded them up against a van. If I had had problems emptying my bladder earlier I certainly did not any more. Selfishly I had forgotten about my party as an overwhelming aggression (and perhaps a survival instinct) took over. I regret this.

I met my party at the gates and in we went. A backward glance confirmed that the area was still totally lawless as my cousin attempted to manoeuvre a charge into the West Ham onslaught . Frankly, I am utterly stunned that more people were not hospitalised.

It is probably worth pointing out at this point that I was meant to get the tube to Mansion House with my Victoria drinking buddies, however, they could not resist a wander into Ladbrokes and thus we were separated. I was informed by my friends that when they followed the same path to the Boleyn around 20 minutes later than I had that the fighting was in full swing and that people were fallen and bloodied everywhere, with flying bottles splintering the night sky.

My cousin confirmed this and added that hundreds more West Ham soon realised where the real fun was, turned up and ran the Millwall back to whence they had come. The departing Millwall fans were, apparently, a mixture of ticket holders and thugs who had come from the South just looking for knuckle. They were certainly not disappointed.

My cousin, who possessed a ticket, did not manage to make his seat until the 2nd half had commenced. The constantly roving helicopter suggested that all was not well in a lot of places.

The game itself was a blur. Millwall seemed far more energetic and a typical Cup upset seemed on the cards. I’d like to report that I watched the game. I didn’t. I shouted and gestured to the Millwall fans who were close to my West Stand Lower seat, drank Carlsberg at the bar and chatted with hooligans. My seat was only 25 yards away from the fighting in the corner.

Racist chants toward Carlton Cole were met with a masturbatory gesture from the striker and songs about Calum Davenport’s mum seemed to lack any tangible oomph or wit.

Millwall out sang West Ham in the 1st half but that was soon to change. The South Londoners early dominance was thwarted and as the match lengthened the increasingly bashful Millwall end simply could not be heard. Countless attempts to get on the pitch and toward the Sir Trevor Brooking Stand were not met by Millwall.

A few chairs were thrown but that was it. All things considered Millwall were embarrassed. They had been chased all over East London (despite attempting to assert an early dominance by smashing up some empty pubs in Canning Town) and had lost the match. Further, the media would go on to boost the claims of the West Ham hooligans. Kenny Jackett’s revisionist perception will do nothing to improve the battered ego of the Millwall firm.

Anyway, the game ended, the East Londoners were jubilant and I needed to return home to South London. The invigorating atmosphere was made redundant by the obvious fear emanating from my friends’ sister. Whilst some fans made their way to the away end the Police presence (which by this point was gargantuan) shepherded the West Ham escort round the back of the market to Upton Park station.

Millwall were kept in their end for 10 minutes only and we made our tube. We took off at Aldgate East and grabbed a taxi to Beckenham, thereby avoiding anybody with something to argue about.

A bit of an anti-climax, all things considered.

The Crowd Says:

2021-08-12T09:13:43+00:00

Wilf

Guest


Romancing ain't the word,as I shielded my friend an his sister,but going right off,how silly

2009-10-07T15:35:48+00:00

Knives Out

Guest


I just came across it by chance. Obviously that gentleman has never seen The Simpsons, or read any media reports about rugby league players.

2009-10-07T15:17:54+00:00

Colin N

Guest


That took you a while ;)

2009-10-07T15:12:11+00:00

Knives Out

Roar Guru


Australians certainly don't have a reputation as chip-on-their-shoulder, lager abusing oafs - do they? No, they don't.

2009-09-02T09:29:54+00:00

Phil Coorey

Guest


You can not under any circumstance compare Australian sport to any rivalry over seas. I'm sorry - it just does not exist. So far that reason you can't use a throw away line like "Here’s what you won’t find in rugby league or AFL or rugby union:"

2009-09-02T04:33:47+00:00

Football Daft

Guest


Fly on the Wall said Rugby league has share its share of problems - but they are tiny compared with soccer. Here’s what you won’t find in rugby league or AFL or rugby union: * 100 fans crushed to death at a ground that belongs in Dickens’ time * 39 people knifed to death on their home ground * hundreds or even thousands of drunken, very low-IQ fans rioting in the streets surrounding a game * players attacked in home invasions because they earn $40,000 a WEEK Very pleasing to hear that 100 rugby/Aussie Rules fans won't be crushed to death in a Dickensian ground. This won't happen in football again, either. Justice Taylor's report and the Premier League has made sure of that. The only good thing that came out of the entire HIllsborough calamity. Never forget the 96. Not sure about the 39 people knived to death on their home ground? Is this a Heysel reference? If it is, get your facts right. If not, please enlighten me as to what this comment is referring? Also not sure about the $40,000 a week comment? Is this in reference to Grella? If it is, I think he earns more than that. Maybe if Aussie rules or rugby league were played on the same scale as football and had the same global reach, they too would have crowd control problems? But they will never be in that situation, so we will never know, will we? Perhaps the Australian equivalent of these neanderthals are all in bikie gangs, or riot at Cronulla beach at people who they perceive to be different to them? I found Knives Out story very depressing. Did he say somewhere that he spent the match chanting at opposition fans, rather than watching the match? Pathetic. Get a life, pal. From the footage I saw, there were some shining examples of British manhood on display. How do you get to be that fat and ugly? Must take some work.

2009-09-01T18:27:52+00:00

MFC Realist

Guest


I Second that CBL. remove your last post. Why do you feel the need to name drop you dope. OB will be all over this............ I would love to know who you really are. And finally,,and for the record, once and for all, West Ham certainly didnt get a "result".

2009-08-31T03:35:24+00:00

cbl

Guest


stop name dropping you mug thats a disgrace and and no no, remove them now

2009-08-31T01:57:43+00:00

Knives Out

Guest


Just copying the Roar Australian trends for monikers. Nothing cynical.

2009-08-31T01:55:33+00:00

BigAl

Guest


Probably off subject, but possibly not ! . . . how come the moniker 'Knives Out' ?

2009-08-29T21:06:59+00:00

Knives Out

Guest


MFC, 1. I think my poor grammar and shoddy vocab indicates that I certainly do not use my writing skills for a living. 2. I use the term 'firm' to denote groups of young men seeking trouble. It's a common London term: 'Oh, look at that little firm in the corner.' etc 3. Of course Millwall still has a firm, in the sense that it has a group of men who are considered more serious than others. Williams has a little firm, and then you still have the older faces like Jacko who are respected. At the moment the club is packed full of kiddies and wannabes, but that doesn't mean Millwall are a passive force. Look what happened at Hull and at Leeds the other season. 4. I certainly didn't expect anything else from West Ham. 5. I only say West Ham got a result because that's how it has been presented in the media. Let's not kid ourselves, a lot of fans came from South London looking for a bit of knuckle. Unfortunately for them they got it and were chased everywhere. Whether that is down to numbers is irrelevant in the eyes of the media and it is the media who has been hyping the behaviour of the West Ham fans. At the end of the game Millwall were absolutely silent in their end. That isn't typical Millwall. 6. Yes. I agree about the ticketing, but the same thing would have happened had Millwall been issued more. I believe they were only offered around three or four hundred less than the normal minimum fan away ticket allocation. 7. I saw Cole offer the gesture he did, and he himself has said he was subjected to racist abuse. Maybe he's wrong, but it's hard to reach any other conclusions. 8. It's obvious that this isn't an anti-Millwall piece. I spent a lot of time on another thread defending the reputation of Millwall.

2009-08-29T17:15:45+00:00

Knives Out

Guest


What I detail is quite a narrow event, Big Al. I know of 5 men from South London who drove around East London in a van specifically looking for people to jump out and pounce on. They aren't football fans and have no connection to either team (beyond a geographic connection to Millwall). They simply saw an opportunity to hurt some people from across a river and they took it with both hands. If you multiply such personal attacks across quite a broad area and then add such attacks to the more 'mob and rob' mass violence then you have a bad, bad night.

2009-08-29T13:25:55+00:00

reds fan

Guest


what a twee comment... from an article that subtley revels in the excitement of a little ultra violence....

2009-08-29T11:51:33+00:00

Fly on the Wall

Guest


Rugby league has share its share of problems - but they are tiny compared with soccer. Here's what you won't find in rugby league or AFL or rugby union: * 100 fans crushed to death at a ground that belongs in Dickens' time * 39 people knifed to death on their home ground * hundreds or even thousands of drunken, very low-IQ fans rioting in the streets surrounding a game * players attacked in home invasions because they earn $40,000 a WEEK

2009-08-29T11:37:23+00:00

Knives Out

Guest


Who knows? Maybe the hooligans will take up careers as Australian rugby league players?!

2009-08-29T11:36:11+00:00

Fly on the Wall

Guest


A sport that has become a total disgrace. In a country that is just as disgraceful.

2009-08-29T10:53:23+00:00

MFC Realist

Guest


Nicely written.........lacks a bit of accuracy though. This perception of "firms" is so football factory. I am a Millwall fan, NOT a hooligan. Knives out, your journalistic (because I presume that is what you do for a living -call me cynical!) inaccuracy astonishes me. Millwall as a club and a hooligan element does not have any real "firm" the only so called mobs that you saw on Tuesday would have been groups of men coming together to defend themselves from a west ham attack. As a Spurs fan as you claim you are, did you expect west ham just to smile and shake our hands on route to the ground? - no I didn't think so. As for you claiming west ham had a result against us are you mad! Its not about a result! Your reporting is just giving these hooligans more reason to get revenge the next time. the more these people read or hear reported that one side got a result against the other the more these battles will happen. FACT What really happened on Tuesday is due to ticketing restrictions Millwall were outnumbered 10 to 1 and pretty much had to fight for our lives. By all accounts no Millwall died so Id say that is the only result. As far as a result goes if you count fat west ham idiots fighting with and throwing stuff a the police until midnight then you crack on mate. Just to add Carlton Cole was booed (no not monkey noies - booo's) and cursed for having no ability and not for the colour of his skin - I'm so sick of lazy journalist's writing shock headlines to sell papers. There is so much more I want to write but let me leave you with a famous quote from the late Reg Burr a former millwall chairman, "due to our past Millwall football club is a very convenient peg to hang the ills of society on" (or something like that). Couldnt be more true.

2009-08-29T10:21:29+00:00

Freud of Football

Roar Guru


Well that's the problem. Germany seems to me to have taken the mantle from England in the dealing with violence in football issue. While they let the fans come, they have literally zero tolerance. If one fan steps out of line, they are all over them and I mean harshly. Banning orders are the least of it, fans who do anything outside the ground are charged and on the day, I've not once heard of police ever needing to review CCTV footage here as they are on top of the problem. That doesn't mean that hooliganism in Germany is more tame, on the contrary, there are just as many of those old rivalries, there are plenty of firms and there are also clubs associated with Nazism and others with Punks who really have it out, it's just the police know when to expect trouble and it is dealt with accordingly.

2009-08-29T10:11:26+00:00

Knives Out

Guest


There is always the cynical suggestion that in certain situations the police will let events play in out in order to secure banning orders and/or convictions.

2009-08-29T10:08:56+00:00

Freud of Football

Roar Guru


CBL expecting the problem to retrospectively be solved with CCTV footage is ridiculous, how many hundreds, thousands of people were involved in the rioting by Rangers fans in Manchester and how many got arrested, a couple?

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