What are Scotland's chances this Autumn?

By Rugby Fan / Roar Guru

Australia won’t play Scotland in this year’s Autumn Internationals and the Scots haven’t had much attention on The Roar. In fact, they are off the radar for a lot of the rugby press.

Nevertheless, Wallaby supporters will remember the pain of losing their Edinburgh fixture last year.

Can the Scots can spring a surprise on the All Blacks or the Boks?

I’ll say up front that I doubt it. However, if they do grab a win, it will have more pedigree than their victory twelve months ago. Scotland are now seventh in the IRB rankings, two places above Wales. In the last two games of the most recent Six Nations, they held England to a draw and beat Ireland, both higher ranked teams. They followed it up with a series win in Argentine, an achievement which looked even better when the Pumas beat France in their next match.

Andy Robinson deserves a lot of credit. As England manager, he was pilloried for poor selection. If that is his weakness, then it’s not so important in Scotland. The smaller player base means he spends less time on second-guessing himself and more time using his undoubted coaching skills to get the best out of the players available.

It might be damning Scotland with faint praise to say they have a lot of the attributes of a good club side but the players do work hard for each other. In recent years, it’s seemed that Scotland’s main ambition against southern hemisphere sides was to avoid a hiding, so the match was lost before the kick-off.

I don’t think heads will drop so easily now even if opponents do start to run up a score. The main advantage for the Scots is that top opposition still expect to beat them, and doubts can creep in if it doesn’t seem to be going so easily.

Scotland have never beaten New Zealand so history alone suggests it won’t be the All Blacks who suffer an ambush. If Carter plays, he’s unlikely to miss kicks in the way Matt Giteau did last year. Graham Henry has indicated he won’t be putting out an experimental side, mindful of Scotland’s recent better form, but he also said he hasn’t yet watched a full video of any of those matches.

Henry won’t want a close game at Murrayfield, following on from the loss in Hong Kong and the sub par showing at Twickenham, however he may yet be tempted to hold some first choice players back.

Like many teams, Scotland have been hit with injuries. Captain and scrum half Chris Cusiter is out. That shouldn’t be a devastating blow because Rory Lawson has been in good nick for Gloucester and Mike Blair looks back to his best after a disappointing Lions tour in 2009. Both players will compete for the No.9 slot and either could also be named captain.

Robinson has his other Lions available. Wagga Wagga-born Nathan Hines has been effective for them in the lineout and might have been turning out for the Wallabies against England next week if his life had taken a different turn.

Hooker Ross Ford is another captaincy candidate and he may pack down with tighthead Euan Murray. Murray doesn’t play on Sundays, which has limited his game time this season, so his coach has hinted he could turn elsewhere.

It will be a surprise if Murray doesn’t feature at some stage.

Flyhalf Dan Parks is another short of practice. He hasn’t played a game in five weeks, and if he’s off form, then Scotland’s chances will be even smaller. His understudy is Ruaridh Jackson who has yet to play a Test.

The Scottish backline has often been criticized for lack of creativity and it was sad to hear this week that winger Thom Evans has been forced to retire after suffering a horrific injury against Wales in the Six Nations.

Evans wasn’t in the line-up during Scotland’s recent run of form, though, and the backs now seem more able to capitalise on Robinson’s plan to “create chaos”. He may not start, but winger Nikki Walker has looked good for the Ospreys of late.

New Zealand like chaos themselves so the gameplan could easily play into their hands. It’s difficult to see Scotland having the pace to live with the All Blacks but if the Kiwis go into the match complacent, there’s an outside chance a proud 105 year old run will be at risk.

You would have to think that the Boks are a more realistic target this year. Scotland have a better scrum than Ireland and, if they can keep the error count down, they could pose a few more questions for South Africa than the Irish managed.

It’s a frequent story to see Northern Hemisphere supporters try to build up their self-belief before the Autumn Tests only to see the South sweep all the honours.

Realistically, Scotland should lose both their matches against higher ranked opposition. On the positive side, the Murrayfield crowd won’t be burdening their team with the high expectations you see at Twickenham, Cardiff and Landsdowne.

Australia would be wary of the Scots after their experience last year. The question is whether New Zealand and South Africa go in expecting the game to be a gimme. If there is a surprise in the pipeline, then all international coaches will have to take a closer look at the videos to see what’s brewing in Scotland.

The Crowd Says:

2010-11-24T15:53:30+00:00

Ben S

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Versus Samoa: Scotland: 15 Hugo Southwell, 14 Nikki Walker, 13 Joe Ansbro, 12 Graeme Morrison, 11 Sean Lamont, 10 Dan Parks, 9 Rory Lawson (c), 8 Richie Vernon, 7 John Barclay, 6 Kelly Brown, 5 Richie Gray, 4 Nathan Hines, 3 Euan Murray, 2 Ross Ford, 1 Allan Jacobsen. Replacements: 16 Dougie Hall, 17 Moray Low, 18 Jim Hamilton, 19 Ross Rennie, 20 Mike Blair, 21 Ruaridh Jackson, 22 Max Evans.

2010-11-22T21:50:19+00:00

Ben S

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Scotland played really well against SA two seasons ago, the reason being that the Springboks play a very, very limited game then, and they still do now. If they don't win the physical contest then they have very, very little in their locker. Scotland have a very good scrummage, and some particularly big men in the pack, and a fly-half and full back with a big boot. It was pleasing to see Gray and Vernon improve after their performances against NZ. I still don't think Scotland are particularly threatening, but this result does prove that you have to be absolutely 100% against them.

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2010-11-20T17:54:25+00:00

Rugby Fan

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After the scale of their defeat against New Zealand, I was regretting shining a light on Scotland at all here on The Roar. A 21-17 victory over South Africa shows that the team does indeed have the capacity to surprise a Southern Hemisphere team. In truth, the Boks have looked pretty poor on this tour. It says something about the trajectory of South African rugby this autumn that a small number of commentators - including Djuro Sen on Ruggamatrix - were actually tipping Scotland to win despite the earlier massacre at the hands of the All Blacks. Scotland may well have been stung into this performance by the knowledge that they embarrassed themselves last week. South Africa didn't look impressive in their wins over Wales and Ireland but credit to Scotland for succeeding where the other two Home Nations failed. There's now a school of thought that the Scots weren't as bad as the scoreline suggests against New Zealand. I don't really agree. Unfortunately, I think the current Scottish style is meat and drink to this All Blacks team and it seemed like every error by the home side turned into a score against them. Scotland played without a safety net that day and that's why the scoreline accurately reflected the balance of play.

2010-11-11T22:59:04+00:00

Ben S

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I kind of get your point, but I think Henry will persevere with a 7 on the bench, which IMO leaves a role open only for starters, and I'm not convinced that Messam is capable of being a Test 6, but he should come up against a good Scotland back row, so we'll see. Cowan has his plus points, but I think Carter could do with a much smoother passing 9.

2010-11-11T22:54:41+00:00

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If Read was injured and Kaino went to No.8 and you had someone like Thomson come off the bench I think that would be an ugly sort of backrow. It would be better to have a guy who could plug into the No. 8 slot without having to make two positional changes. That's the theory, anyway. I think Cowan's Test match temperament is his biggest asset. He can be a bit slow at times and his passing is sometimes laboured, but he's the halfback I'd want in a dog fight and he often pulls off strong defensive plays. i wouldn't say that he suits the type of rugby the All Black backs like to play, but we haven't had that sort of halfback since Bachop or early Marshall.

2010-11-11T22:38:25+00:00

Ben S

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Kaino can cover 8 and Read 6, no? I don't think Cowan does anything particularly well. I know that not every player can be a Fourie du Preez, but I think his limitations are too obvious. I was impressed by how assured Mathewson was. Anyhow, Henry is set on him, so a moot point.

2010-11-11T22:31:02+00:00

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Henry is still undecided about his loose forward cover. I think he wants a guy who can cover at least 8 and 6 which out and out specialists can't do. As for Cowan, 42 Tests is a long time not to be sold on someone. I like Jimmy and would have his name on the team sheet every time.

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2010-11-11T21:17:05+00:00

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The referee at Murrayfield will be England's Dave Pearson. Scotland should have reasonable happy memories of Pearson: he oversaw their first Test 16-24 win over Argentina in June. He penalized the Pumas at the breakdown a great deal so both sides will have to watch their work there. Then again, the TMO will be Giulio De Santis of Italy who performed that function last week in the England match and I think the All Blacks might feel they came off slightly in credit on that account, despite Hartley's try.

2010-11-11T14:54:26+00:00

Ben S

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I'm pretty surprised to see Messam there too. Maybe Henry thinks he will suit the Scottish style of play, but I really don't see him as a viable long-term alternative at 6. I can understand what Henry is doing, but IMO there are still some serious question marks hovering above certain positions, and IMO that is more significant than a win over Scotland. I suppose on the plus side you could say that Gear and Whitelock are getting more game time. I was quietly impressed with Mathewson too. I'm not sold on this Cowan character.

2010-11-11T12:27:49+00:00

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It's not been the All Blacks' finest tour to date. I assume the coaching box are hoping they can pull players from the 50th minute onwards. The Toeava and Whitelock selections make it clear that Rokocoko and Donnelly are on the outer.

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2010-11-11T12:09:46+00:00

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Henry kept to his word not to field an experimental side. By fielding so many first-choice players, he's showing Scotland some respect but I suspect he also wants them to shake off those two most recent performances and get back into an efficient groove. The bunker mentality in the squad over Kevin Mealamu probably helps to that end. I see Dylan Cleaver in the Herald expects the Black wrath to break like thunder this weekend and writes: "You almost pity the Scots". The Scotland line-up had a late change. Bench scrum half Rory Lawson has pulled out with an injured hand. He's being replaced by Greg Laidlaw, nephew of the great Scottish scrum half Roy Laidlaw, who partnered John Rutherford in one of rugby's finest halfback pairings. As more grey hairs appear, I find myself enjoying seeing rugby families producing more than one generation of international player. Ben Youngs, the current England scrum half is the son of Nick Youngs who was capped by his country in the same position in the early eighties.

2010-11-11T12:06:18+00:00

Ben S

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Some of these All Blacks are playing a lot of rugby. I'm not sure why Henry hasn't looked to experiment a bit more to find that next 4, 7, 10 and 13?

2010-11-11T07:14:59+00:00

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Here's the All Black side to play Scotland: All Blacks: Mils Muliaina, Isaia Toeava, Conrad Smith, Sonny-Bill Williams, Hosea Gear, Dan Carter, Jimmy Cowan, Kieran Read, Richie McCaw (c), Liam Messam, Sam Whitelock, Brad Thorn, Owen Franks, Hika Elliot/Keven Mealamu, Tony Woodcock. Reserves: Andrew Hore, John Afoa, Anthony Boric, Daniel Braid, Andy Ellis, Stephen Donald, Ma'a Nonu.

2010-11-11T06:33:59+00:00

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Thanks for that, Rugby Fan.

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2010-11-10T13:42:24+00:00

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Robinson's team selections for the weekend have surprised some Scottish supporters but, by and large, he seems to have gone with form players. A lot of the headlines focus on his decision to leave record point scorer Chris Paterson out of the match 22. In the Welsh game where Thom Evans picked up a career-ending neck injury, Paterson suffered a split kidney which looked like it might condemn him to the same fate. He missed out on the tour to Argentina but recovered for the start of the new season and has played regularly at full back for Edinburgh. The debate about Paterson in Scotland is similar to the one which rages over Wilkinson in England. Both players are excellent goal kickers, and will keep their teams in the match, but their selection seems to hint at a lack of ambition. Paterson's supporters say he's been playing well for Edinburgh but others have not been so convinced. Andy Robinson has instead gone for Hugh Southwell at full back, Shuggy, as he's known to fans, filled that spot on tour and also plays there for Stade Français where he's been having a good season. The Scottish coach wouldn't be drawn on Paterson's international future but it's clear he thinks Shuggy is playing better right now. Paterson could also be a back-up fly half to Dan Parks but he hasn't played in the position a great deal of late and, as expected, Robinson has gone for the young Glasgow player Ruaridh Jackson. Jackson's goalkicking has been mediocre, however, so it looks like a team selection with no safety net in that department. Ben S above mentions Richie Gray and Richie Vernon ("an embarrassment of Richies", claimed The Courier). Again, these are form picks and No.8 Vernon only missed out on a cap during the last Six Nation because of glandular fever. His selection was widely expected when injury kept Johnnie Beattie out of consideration. As for Richie Gray, who was the Scotland U20 captain just 18 months ago, it seems Robinson always had him down as first choice lock. He's 6ft 8in and 19st 9lbs with a decent turn of pace for a man that size, which points towards the game Scotland want to play. The choice was between Nathan Hines and Jim Hamilton for his partner. Hamilton got the nod but Hines will surely play a part from the bench. I'm pleased Mike Blair has been given the scrum half slot and the captaincy. His detractors say that he doesn't play well with both responsibilities but he was clearly out of sorts when he last led Scotland in March 2009. His late call-up for the Lions tour showed his loss of form even more clearly and Mike Phillips never had a serious challenger at scrum half. This season, Blair has looked sharp and will be a useful influence behind the likes of Vernon in the pack. The scrum will be an area the Scots hope to win against New Zealand. They saw what England did and fancy their chances of doing the same, especially with Mealamu and Franks now out of the running for the All Blacks. Perhaps surprisingly for neutrals, Lions prop Euan Murray wasn't a shoe-in as first choice tighthead because he hasn't had much game time for Northampton. Robinson has decided that Murray's experience and self assurance will have more impact on his team mates if he starts the match so Moray Low has missed out. Loosehead Alasdair Dickinson is the only prop on the bench. On paper, Scotland might look like they'll just hope to win the set pieces and kick for territory through Parks. Robinson would be no stranger to those tactics but instead has promised a high tempo game. He is an enthusiastic supporter of the style and standard of play seen in this year's Tri Nations as is his attack coach, Gregor Townsend. Townsend described them as "real Tests" in a sly jab at England defence coach Mike Ford. The former Scotland fly half also had this to say: "It's a new game, a modern game, and we like operating in chaos, traditionally we've thrived there. It suits our type of players and it suits our physical nature. It's what Glasgow and Edinburgh are trying to do week in week out." Townsend also pointed out that the Scots once held the record for most points scored against the All Blacks, 31 in 1996 at Carisbrook. Unfortunately, New Zealand racked up 62 in reply so there was no real contest that day . A lot will rest on whether the Scottish defence can hold the wave of Black shirts at bay for long enough to exert some pressure of their own. If Scotland deliver, we could be in for an entertaining match, whatever the final result.

2010-11-10T04:43:24+00:00

warrenexpatinnz

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The Scots will turn in a good performance as they always do and although I can't see them getting within 15 of the ABs the loss by the Wallabies to Scotland in testing conditions is a testament to a side supposedly better than it's opposition having a bad game and not treating their opposition with enough respect. Boks and Wallabies to win but again unconvincingly. Q: Do you think Dean's would go into a test against the Poms at Twickers without a tuned up scrum? Anyone of the pack that puts in a sub par performance in this game will, in my view be dropped the following week and out of RWC reckoning and they will have that sitting in the back of their minds as they run onto the ground.

2010-11-09T22:36:13+00:00

Rusty

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Cheers for that - great read. I have a soft spot myself for the Scots, a team of honest toilers that have a decent pack, some great backrow options and decent scrumhalf. After that it all sort of slips down the bogs.. but I hope they go alright against the ABs and less so against the Boks ;)

2010-11-09T21:20:29+00:00

Symo

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I hope GH starts Donald and we lose. why? 1. It will be the end of Donald 2. I'm a Scottish Kiwi 3. It adds spice to the RWC. One scotland win and the whole top 10 will be thinking they're are real chance for the cup.

2010-11-09T21:05:27+00:00

Ben S

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Good article. I'm looking forward to seeing Gray and Vernon. I'm a big fan of Jacobsen too - love that fat guy determination!

2010-11-09T19:02:39+00:00

Moaman

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Lovely read,RF. I always look forward to the Murrayfield matches when the ABs tour Britain.One thing you can expect from the scots(apart from a stirring rendition of "Flower of Scotland") is a clean,hard contest for the full 80. They have been in the vanguard of european teams attempting to build a more attack-minded game-plan too in recent years and imo deserve their recent successes.

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