The NRL's future lies in its past

"You lack any concept of history within Rugby League, you’re happy to rip the game apart again with another Super League." I said the QRL and Queensland's NRL clubs should work with News Ltd to make the main competition. This wouldn't create any harm for anyone other than the NSWRL and its basket case clubs. The QRL and Queensland's NRL clubs aren't obligated to play servent to the NSWRL and NSW's NRL clubs. If the NSWRL and NRL clubs want QLD to participate in the NRL then they need to give QLD equal say and equal opportunity. If they're unwilling to do this then it makes perfect sense for the QRL and Queensland's NRL clubs to go their own way. If the NSWRL and NSW's clubs weren't so self-centred back in the 1990's then the Super League war wouldn't have emerged. "Maybe when you grow up alittle bit more and understand the game of rugby league and it’s traditions, it’s history you might get a clue" ROTFLMAO! I understand the history of the game and the traditions associated with it. I'm fully aware of how the NSWRL was able to plunder the BRL clubs out of the market because of politics (NSW Gov't allowed Leagues Clubs to collect revenue from gambling whereas Sir Joh prohibited it, thus giving the Sydney clubs a huge advantage). The NSWRL wasn't willing to play fair when their clubs had the luxury of being able to collect revenue from an industry that was banned in QLD. They exploited it for all it was worth until the BRL could no longer hold onto the stars that the public wanted to watch each week. No one from the NSWRL and NSW gave a stuff about the fans of Brothers, Dolphins, Panthers, Tigers, Devils, Magpies, Diehards, Seagulls, Jets (introduced in 1986, so we can include them but I won't include the Scorpions as they didn't really have enough time to establish themselves before the Broncos were born). So don't expect me to care for the fans of the Sydney clubs. Not caring bout Sydney rugby league doesn't mean I don't care about the game. I wouldn't be surprised if you knew nothing about the old QRFL, NSWRFL, the schism between the BRL and QRL, the Bulimba Cup, etc. You probably think Sydney is the "home" of rugby league, right? Just because organisised competition between a year earlier in Sydney than it did in Brisbane doesn't mean Sydney is the home. I'm sick of New south Welshmen and faux Queenslanders using that argument to discount the rich history of the game in QLD. And if you're going to go down that route then Auckland can boast that its history is more important than Sydney's history. Learn the difference between "its" and "it's". If using "it" to refer to something (IE. rugby league in the case you mentioned) you say do NOT add an apostrophe after the 't'. It's not a contraction.

"You’re WRONG on all acounts on just about EVERYTHING you have touched on. You don’t know your geography." ROTFLMAO THis is what I've said on this site over the last few weeks: 1. Logan is a city that was declared as such in 1981 and had a projected population of 277,568 living across 913 sq km for 2009. Australian Bureau of Statistics. Publication: 3218.0 "Regional Population Growth, Australia" Table 3.Estimated Resident Population, Local Government Areas, Queensland. Webpage: http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/3218.02008-09 [Click on XLS document for "3218.0 Population Estimates by Local Government Area, 2001 to 2009" I've backed this up before by showing the source of my info when I was arguing with your mate Jackson (or was that you?) -- he claimed that Logan is a large region with a small population and is based around Logan Villiage. I pointed out to him that Logan Villiage is on the outskirts of Logan City and didn't become a suburb of Logan until Peter Beattie amalgamated the councils a few years ago. Until then Logan Villiage was a suburb of Beaudesert Shire. Are you saying I was wrong about everything above? If so then you don't know your geography! 2. Gosford is a city that had a projected population of 166,626 people living across 940 sq km in 2009. Australian Bureau of Statistics. Publication: 3218.0 "Regional Population Growth, Australia" Table 1.Estimated Resident Population, Local Government Areas, New South Wales. Webpage: http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/3218.02008-09 [Click on XLS document for "3218.0 Population Estimates by Local Government Area, 2001 to 2009" Your mate Jackson (or was that you?) kept on saying Gosford is just a town. He also said that its population is almost as large as Ipswich and Logan combined. Think long and hard before you respond mate. Those are the statistics I've stated on numerous occasions across numerous articles. Are you saying they're wrong? If so then you'll effectively be "think[ing] the governments made those numbers up " [sic]. "Central Coast population Population: 297,956 (2006) (9th in list of cities by population and that is 5 years old mind you! the Population has grown by 50,000-70,000 people in those 5 years since this was taken)" Central Coast is an urban region. The NSW Government has a long-term plan to classify the Gosford-Wyong LGAs as a regional city, but that's a long way off. If you knew your geography, politics and history then you'd have known this. The area is considered the 9th largest urban area in Australia. That is different to calling it the 9th largest city. If you were to combine Logan and Ipswich and classify them as a "city" -- which is no different to you saying that Gosford-Wyong is a city -- then the population would be 439,971. It drawfs the Gosford-Wyong region. Where did you get a projection of 50,000-70,000 from? If the latest projections from the ASB are the answer then the combined population for Gosford-Wyong was 316,008 in 2009. The official data estimated the projection for Gosford and Wyong between 2006 and 2009 to be 4,568 and 6,696 respectively. That's 11,194. For the population to have grown by 50,000-70,000 since 2006 and 2011 then that means the 38,006 to 58,006 people would have needed to move there or be born since 2009. I'm basing this on the figures listed in the ASB's publication "3218.0 Regional Population Growth, Australia", which can be found in Table 1.Estimated Resident Population, Local Government Areas, New South Wales. Can you prove the population has risen beyond the official projection for 2009? "population of North Shore (207,241 (2007) again again this is 4 years old and the population has grown easily by 40,000-50,000" You sure have an active imagination! The official projections for North Shore in 2009 was 213,170. That's using the data supplied by the ASB's publication "3218.0 Regional Population Growth, Australia", which can be found in Table 1.Estimated Resident Population, Local Government Areas, New South Wales. That's an increase of only 5,929. What makes you think that that the population has grown by 34,071-44,071 since then? Do you have any proof or is just a heap of hot air like almost everything else you've said? "gov websites, official numbers.. " Show me the "official numbers" from "gov websites" that estimated the population for Gosford-Wyong would grow by 38,006-58,006 since 2009? Show me the "official numbers" from "gov websites" that estimated the population for North Shore would grow by 38,006-58,006 since 2009? Why include the figures for the northern suburbs (IE. North Sydney and surrounds)? At best it is a 60 minute drive from the Gosford. That doesn't take things like congestion and refusal to trvel -- which is what the area and its people are known for -- into consideration. If the point is to lure in the 800,000 people from the northern suburbs of Sydney then it would make more sense to put the team there, though this would be silly as they never supported the Bears very well when they were in the competition. Just stick with the figure for the Central Coast area (which is where the Bears will be playing over 90% of their games). Include the figure from the North Shore if you want, but remember that it is still a long way from Gosford and does not fall under the Central Coast area. You're kidding yourself if you think thousands of people from this area will flock to Bluetongue Stadium.

Queensland's game... you should just stop now mate. Coming from a fellow Queenslander and having browsed this site for a long time, it is safe to say that this lloyd crhistmas joker just schooled/owned you. Instead of putting trash on the Central Coast Bears and their supporters, why don't you do something for the Brisbane 2 bid? Why not volunteer your time for their cause? Internet battles won't win any prizes and unfortunately for you, the Bears fans have the luxury of arguing on here because they actually get out and about for their bid. Whilst people like yourself and others on various boards, talk alot of stuff and sometimes have a point. But rarely do you guys actually do something about it. I have to agree with the joker lloyd bloke, which I can't believe I am but he raises a good point. If I supported any of the Brisbane bids I'd actually be talking with my actions NOT my keyboard. GO QUEENSLAND!!

Mate you obviously know NOTHING about the Central Coast or Gosford so why the hell pretend like you do? And why act like your opinion is number one?You're WRONG on all acounts on just about EVERYTHING you have touched on. You sit on your computer and make assessments of area's and bids without actually having anything to do with anyone. You're a muppet, always have been on this site. Always will be. You lack any concept of history within Rugby League, you're happy to rip the game apart again with another Super League. You don't know your geography. You don't know any of the details concerning any of the bids. You assume ALOT thought. Cause thats what muppets like you do... assume.. critize... naysay. Central Coast population Population: 297,956 (2006) (9th in list of cities by population http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/ABSNavigation/prenav/LocationSearch?collection=Census&period=2006&areacode=1156&producttype=QuickStats&breadcrumb=PL&action=401 and that is 5 years old mind you! the Population has grown by 50,000-70,000 people in those 5 years since this was taken) population of North Shore (207,241 (2007) http://www.colliersresidential.com/files//research/sydneys_upper_and_lower_north_shore_pw_nov_08.pdf again again this is 4 years old and the population has grown easily by 40,000-50,000 people), finally but not least 800,000 people live in the Sydney North region. http://203.47.48.16/reference/influence_government/1766-north-sydney.pdf there is more then half (non-broncos brisbane population right there) swallow those apples mate.. official gov websites, official numbers.. OFFICIAL representation of the Central Coast Bears by Gallop's and NRL's own admission. ALL BECAUSE OF A LITTLE THING called the BEARS brand. What's that? it actually equals the 1.2million that the Central Coast Bears fans have been tooting? I'm sure you think the governments made those numbers up though because they're evil Central Coast Bears insurgents. lol Nice arguing with you though. Maybe when you grow up alittle bit more and understand the game of rugby league and it's traditions, it's history you might get a clue.

All your points make sense. Why keep the Roosters when no one in the area cares about them. The Brisbane area could easily have another couple of teams in areas where people would follow the teams and turn up to the matches. The QLD SOO sold up pretty quick, but now they're flogging off the NSW SOO match at half price! And those damn pokies have a lot to answer for.

Jaceman That game was not played in Sydney nor at the SFS,which is the basis of the argument.But agree with the lack of depth,more so now with 5 teams.

oikee. They(SA) have their own comp,in various provinces.They will be trying to qualify for the 2013RLWC.IMO they have a long way to go. I believe eventually the 9s will be the game,that will find its way via the Commonwealth games,infuture years.

NF Correct,right,spot on and touche to you champ. There are a hell of a lot of pots and kettles flying around ,of the ebony shade methinks.

"why should nsw clubs who originated in this league long before any qld clubs have to sacrifice themselves?" 1. They're unprofitable and cannot run a chook raffle. 2. They rely heavily on Queensland's juniors because they struggle to produce their own. That makes them a liability to the competition. Queensalnd's juniors shouldn't have to travel interstage to get a taste of first-grade. It separates them from their family. 3. Their crowds are pathetic. So are their membership numbers. 4. The NSWRL killed off the BRL by taking advantage of Queensland's prohibition on pokie machines. The NSW clubs got rich because their Leagues clubs had pokie machines that drew a lot of revenue. Queensland didn't make it legal until the early 1990's. This gave the NSWRL a large revenue stream that was not available to the BRL. There was no way the BRL could compete. 5. Longevity doesn't mean anything. All that matters is the present and the future. No point keeping basket case clubs like Roosters and Sea Eagles around. "Im a proud queenslander mate but you embarrass us with your logic. stick to packing boxes and leave complicated arguments to the big boys will ya?" A complicated argument for you is trying to figure out the answer of 2 + 2.

"your idiocy shows no bounds mate." ROTFLMAO. Let's look at the following gems you have dished up: "gosford isn’t central coast?" Gosford is a city on the central coast of NSW. Saying it is the "central coast" is wrong because the two are not the same. Using it as a synonym is silly. Do you even know what a synonym is? "I guess brisbane isn’t queensland and australia isn’t on planet earth." Brisbane is the capital city of Queensland. It is not Queensland. Brisbane is only a small part of Queensland. Go look at a map and see for yourself. Australia is on planet Earth. You got that one right. Third time lucky. One of three isn't too bad, at least not for you... "headbutt a wall or two because it might be the only way to knock sense back into your head." This coming from you is iIronic. "the central coast has been known as such when you were still swimming in ya dads dangle berries. gosford is the main city on the central coast.." Its proper name is the central coast of NSW. It is called the central coast by people fron NSW because it lies on the central region of the NSW coastline. Referrng to an NRL team from Gosford as Central Coast is technically wrong because it does not lie on the central part of the eastern seaboard. It's alright to give a name like that to a team in the NSW Cup, but when they enter a NATIONAL competition then they have to take the national geography into consideration. Many people outside of the CCNSW wouldn't even know what "Central Coast" means. Just like they wouldn't know where Parramatta or Penrith are located. Only the people who are familiar with Sydney and NSW are aware of these things. If you want to spread the game to Victoria, WA, SA, NT, etc then you need to use language that everyone can relate to. Sorry buddy, but that's a fact. It ain't the NSWRL Premiership anymore. Get used to it. "im sure many bears fans laugh at you." You mean the same Bears' fans who said that (1) Mansfield and Rochedale are in Logan and (2)Logan is a region that's larger in area than Gosford but has a small population and (3) Gosford is a town (4) and comparing Logan with Gosford is like comparing South Australia with Brisbane? The people who made those inane claims are laughing at me? Ha! I pointed out that Logan is a city -- proved it by citing the declaration the state government made in 1981 -- has over 100,000 more people than the City of Gosford even though it's smaller in square area and that the "region" Logan is located in is south-east Queensland. It took your mates a while before it finally sunk in. Sad. "with 6800 members an abundance of sponsors, a huge groundswell of community support and corporate support why wouldn’t they??" How did their last attempt to get into the NRL go? That's right, they were rejected because Gosford has nothing to offer the game. NOTHING! Just because it has a few sponsors and community support doesn't mean it'll get over the line. The CQ bid also has a lot of corporate support -- the sort that the Bears can only dream of -- and a strong community following yet the CC Bears' followers keep on writing it off. It shows that the Bears' fans are nothing but hypocrites who act on emotion and twist their arguments whenever it suits them. "Gosford not Central Coast lol… what an numbnut" There you go making the same mistake again. Gosford is NOT Central Coast of NSW. It is a city on the central coast of NSW, but it is NOT the same thing as the central coast of NSW. If you can prove that there's no other city, shire or town in the CCNSW then you'll have a point, but until then you're coming off as an uneducated hick. "the same answer as your IQ. A big fat 0." My IQ score was calculated to be over 125. Nice try though.

Cooper has stated his position,and it will not be the money as his motivation.At least he is believable,and not the guys who use the " challenge " argument,when every man and the local grocer ,knows he is being paid $1m plus buckeroos. The real challenge is where to invest the loot.

Also Crosscoder i notice noone made a issue or article of Port's decreasing crowds last week they drew 16k also so it's just convenience ain't it.

The French are talking about a salary cap.Not all these clubs are doing well.The extravagant spending by some of these French owners is going to come back and bite them in the future.The money paid to the likes of Mason by Toulon is out of proportion to his experience and talent,in a game which he has not played. I understand there are rumblings in Japan,with monies being paid for overseas players,as that country is on the cusp of recession ,after the tsumami,GFC and nuclear crisis hits. Largesse is always good when you are a recipient,but as Allan Bond,Chris Skase etc found it,it is only temporary.

JamesB Notice little was made of the crowd of just over 20,000(under half SCG capacity) ,when the Swans played last week.Statistics are convenient and inconvenient tools at times.Are they not? The argument is their opponents brought no fans,Well the Knights did likewise.

On the other hand, the Blues vrs Stormers game was terrific..Australian RU gets compared to NZ and SA rugby which is much better because they have the depth and their best athletes play rugby...We can compete at test level most years but our depth is thin because RU is the No3 probably no. 4 football code.

Yeah we are all awake in the the southern states, in the early hours.Sheesh.The ball punchers provide many a laugh at times..

You obviously didn;t see the game with the Tigers and nearly 17,000 in a suburban ground at Campbelltown.

Uncle Bob The old pot and kettle seems to be rearing its ugly head agin. Please champ,if the Tahs can only less than half fill a stadium,with no live or FTA coverage,might I suggest a look in your own backyard. I would be deeply concrned about the game in this state,when the game's own fans give them a razz not only at the game,bu at an humiliating private forum.

Uncle Bob I think the 10,000 plus figure was a fair assessment with the Roosters playing the Knights who brought few.An ordinary crowd ,but close to the mark. BTW can you advise all and sundry the crowd numbers who attended the Tahs game at the SFS,and then proceeded to boo them off in the 2nd half. A figure around 14,000 I am led to believe,representing the whole state of NSW.And am further advised the game was not on FTA,so us poor old subscribers had to put up with that rubbish. As a monkey's uncle it was suggested to me,the figures were inflated. It can also be argued the crowd of 34,000 that attended next door,probably was not much smaller than those who watched the game in Sydney on TV. Have a banana .

lol, shown at 2.30am..less than 1000 tvs were turned in