England's World Cup training squad: A front row dissection

By Ben S / Roar Guru

Over the next few weeks I thought I would offer a brief examination of the England World Cup training squad prior to the final squad selection, starting with the front row.

The one area where English rugby is seriously light in quality is at hooker.

Dylan Hartley is the current Test incumbent, but is arguably one of the worst hookers currently playing the game at the highest level.

Despite having played at prop until his late teens, various coaches have labelled Hartley a reluctant scrummager.

If you watch the Northampton Saints play then it soon becomes apparent that Hartley is also an illegal scrummager, constantly looking to stand up, to create the impression that the opposition can’t cope with the pressure.

Hartley does have a high work rate, but he lacks power and dynamism, so what use is a good work ethic if you spend 80 minutes being knocked backwards?

Hartley likes to present himself as a ball carrier close to the ruck, but despite charging in from deep, he tends to choose to carry from static rucks, thereby being an obvious target, and he also seems to physically retract at the last minute.

Steve Borthwick used to get driven back just as much and yet Hartley escapes censure from the media.

Hartley’s lineout throwing has improved, and he has comparatively soft hands, but he doesn’t present as a very good athlete, and for such a young player is surprisingly slow.

However, in fairness Hartley is a good club player, and has shown real improvement this season, so perhaps I am judging him harshly whilst he is still a young man playing a tough position.

Steve Thompson is next off the rank, and is my favoured hooker. In terms of dynamism he is half the player he used to be, but is still a real physical presence – as Saia Fainga’a will recall, and he contributed strongly as an impact sub during the most recent Six Nations.

Thompson can still be guilty of the occasional skewed throw, the same as Hartley, but is noted as a serious scrummager, and is a real physical lump.

Interestingly, having seen some photos of England’s pre-World Cup training he looks in good shape too.

With England likely to field a comparatively slender lock pairing in Lawes-Palmer, my personal preference would be for the bigger Thompson to start and for Hartley to offer impact and tempo from the bench.

Thompson has serious experience, size and is grizzled. I want to see him brought into an inexperienced pack for a World Cup that could be played out in wet and soggy conditions.

George Chuter has been the third hooking selection in the Elite Player Squads, but hasn’t got near a Test cap in quite a while. Chuter is a good technician, but no more than that. He’s comparatively small, is only comfortable carrying for short gains close to the ruck, and isn’t a powerful defender.

In short, he is a steady pair of hands that does the core duties well, and who is probably in the England squad more because he is experienced and plays for one of Europe’s best clubs.

The wild card choice is Lee Mears. Mears had a good run of games under Johnson, leading up to the 2009 Lions tour, and then quickly fell from grace.

Prior to that fall from grace English fans will recall his excellent carrying game in the Premiership, and his accurate lineout work.

Problematically, Mears is very short, but in one way that has been to his advantage as he has a very low centre of gravity, and a very dynamic bottom half. Conversely, one bad game and he is too small.

As a very good carrier Mears often got his hands on the ball for England, but he was turned over far more regularly at Test level than he was at club level. It’s perhaps unfortunate that he when he started for England he was playing in what was a rather stodgy front five.

Mears was also used as a scapegoat for the performance of the Lions forwards in the 1st Test versus the Springboks in 2009.

Mears was excellent in the build-up games, but when put in one of the most badly selected packs in recent Lions history, he was the one given the boot (and even from the bench for the ludicrously pedestrian Ross Ford). Alun-Wyn Jones and Phil Vickery were granted reprieves.

Question marks were also raised over Mears’ scrummaging for England, but certain coaches labelled him a very good scrummager, so who to believe?

Indeed, his club side nearly always had a dominant scrum with Mears in the middle, but that never translated for England, and most England fans automatically blamed Mears.

My theory is that Mears was simply too short to scrummage with Sheridan and Vickery, both of whom are 6’3 plus, and both of whom are erratic scrummagers. The club props at Bath are around 6 foot, thus at Test level, where inches count, good quality tightheads found it none too hard to split Mears from Sheridan.

Further, with Mears, England had, for a period, the best statistical lineout in the world. Pros and cons, I suppose.

Personally, I think Mears would thrive with the current England pack, coming off the bench to increase the tempo. His carrying and off-loading game could be the perfect foil for Lawes, Palmer and Croft.

Plus, Tom Palmer, who sometimes calls the lineouts, isn’t the most natural 5 jumper, so it might be a real bonus to have a hooker who is so secure at throwing in.

A few seasons ago there was a propping crisis in England, but now there is a real glut of quality: Sheridan, Cole, Wilson, Doran-Jones, Stevens, Corbisiero, Marler, Wood, and even Tim Payne.

The media myth of Sheridan has taken over his actual ability, and misrepresents his role in the England side. When on song Sheridan is a fine, fine player, but because he doesn’t make 50 yard breaks or pick up opposing players one handed fans feel short changed by the circus strong man.

I don’t think Sheridan is a great technical scrummager, but I think he is a powerful scrummager. Scrummaging is like boxing, styles make fights, and Sheridan won’t and hasn’t won every battle.

However, I think an emphasis on scrummaging ignores what he does best.

Sheridan has a ferocious work rate. If you watch him closely notice how many tackles he makes around the ruck, or how many rucks he hits. He is utterly relentless.

On occasion he is capable of running off a ruck, picking up a ball one handed and making a big carry, but that isn’t his role in the side. He is there to defend, hit rucks, lift lineout players and make tackles. Personally, I think the only other prop in world rugby capable of making tackles like Sheridan is Owen Franks.

Dan Cole fulfills the same role, and although not as dynamic as Sheridan, is more than capable of hitting the ball up, and is a far better scrummager. His work rate, and Sheridan’s too, allows the locks to play in wider channels.

I already see Cole as being a rock in the England pack.

David Wilson has often played the role of impact substitute under Johnson, but for some reason is the man most ignored/forgotten by England’s massively informed media…

Wilson has improved his carrying game since moving to Bath under Steve Meehan, but is still prone to moments of tunnel-vision where he sees the ball and charges off on his own, ending up isolated, and he isn’t the most natural passer of the ball either.

Still, Wilson is a powerful young prop, and whenever called off the bench has, in my opinion, really added to the set piece.

He is a big man, is mobile, and at a pinch he can cover loosehead, and is quietly accumulating caps behind the scenes. I’d be content for him to start a big game for England were Cole to be injured.

Alex Corbisiero started for England in the Six Nations following injuries to Sheridan, and played well. He scrummaged strongly, but sometimes struggled with the physicality of the game in the loose, which perhaps isn’t a huge surprise given that he has never been a regular starter for his club side, London Irish.

Corbisiero is naturally a big man, but still carries a bit of puppy fat.

Phil Vickery famously spoke very highly of him, and there is reason to believe he could go on to be a very good player for England. He can play both sides of the scrum comfortably, and is a mobile young prop who apparently has a very good attitude.

Paul Doran-Jones is a starting tighthead, but again is another prop that can cover the other side of the scrum.

Doran-Jones is the new breed who speak a good fight, goes on tanning beds and pulls off a magnificent ‘I’m giving it my all!’ gurn like only the best Al Baxter impersonators can.

Weak humour aside he is very mobile, very, very fit, has excellent hands, and is a trier, but doubts remain over his size and his technical ability.

Doran-Jones is one of those props that is muscled up, as opposed to a naturally big man like Dan Cole, and he has had some very hard games in the scrum this season just gone, most notably against that other English Great White Hope, Joe Marler. He scrums like he is preparing to lift a weight, which I have always taken as a bad sign.

I think that Doran-Jones is just another Mike Worsley. I just don’t think he has the physical capacity to be more than an impact sub at Test level.

He is the sort of player who has to give absolutely everything in every scrum or he is going backwards.

I thought it particularly informative to watch him unable to counter Salvatore Perugini’s illegal scrummaging in the recent Barbarians match.

Tim Payne is the sixth prop in the training squad. Payne can also cover 3, but is primarily a loosehead. He isn’t the most mobile of props, is a hard if unspectacular scrummager and is very durable. He also has a real amateur element of spite to his game.

Payne will never be a world beater, but having been given regular game time under Johnson due to injuries he showed significant improvement and really contributed to the pack.

He won’t make the World Cup squad, but will always do a job.

Finally, the last prop selected is that enigma Matt Stevens. Prior to his dismissal from the game Stevens was one of the best carrying props in Europe, forming an awesome partnership with Lee Mears.

Since his return that aspect of his game has disappeared. One wonders whether that is due to the time spent out of the game and away from the physical training or whether Saracens simply do not require that from him, as their forwards tend to focus their energies on hitting rucks.

Stevens can also prop on both sides of the scrum, and has generally been a good performer for Saracens, but has he had enough time to get up to speed with the game as it is currently being played?

All things considered England have their two starting props in Sheridan and Cole, their two preferred hookers in Hartley and Thompson. Beyond that the third hooking berth is up for grabs, and there are a multitude of props who all tick a lot of boxes: fit, mobile, good technicians, can cover both sides, so really it depends on the balance of the squad and what sort of brand Johnson wants England to employ.

Were I in charge I’d select Sheridan, Cole, Wilson and Stevens as my World Cup props, with Thompson, Hartley and Mears as the hookers.

Wilson has done the hard yards in recent seasons, whereas I feel there are still doubts over Corbisiero and Doran-Jones, and Stevens can comfortably start a Test on either side of the scrum, bringing with him a positive attitude and some vital experience. I also believe that Mears’ style of play provides a different point of attack to Thompson and Hartley.

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2011-08-01T22:18:56+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


Edit: George Chuter was today released from the training squad, suggesting that (if Johnson takes three hookers) Hartley, Thompson and Mears are going to the World Cup.

2011-07-29T15:14:10+00:00

Joe

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Fantastic article Ben, really gripping stuff. I will say right now I thought you were a tad harsh on Hartley, I've found him to be an impact in the carrying front as he widens his game but now I shall give him some extra attention. Your assessment of Steve Thompson is spot on but having said that he has not started for a while and the last time I really noticed him was Englands win in Sydney last year. I thought he really got into the Aussie faces and showed some grunt but then again what Englishman wouldn't? Dan Cole is quickly becoming the staple of Englands pack, I'd give it until he reaches 25 caps until he is truely established there like Vickers was. Its also finally good to see someone appreciate Sheridan for his work on the field. Ever since he demolished the Aussies in 2005 and 2007 the average rugby fan expects him to do this on a week-in week-out basis, missing the crunching hits he puts in around the breakdown and his ability to win a ruck single handedly. I noticed he was running the ball a great deal more in the Autumn, and especially remember the speed he picked up coming onto the ball in the game against Samoa, so I feel that part of his game should be better implemented. Everything else was pretty much correct. Again, great article and I look forward to how you single handedly sort out the England midfield kerfuffle!

2011-07-28T19:40:08+00:00

Kyle L

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I agree with Ben, Thompson is still a very good player and a way better scrummager than Hartley, he might not be as mobile and fast anymore as he was but for me he should still start at 2. He was awesome in Aus. And unlike the Wallabies we do need a very solid platform to play flowing rugby from and with playing Mears I think our scrum would suffer a bit because he is very short compared to our props. I like him as a player though.

2011-07-28T12:39:38+00:00

CizzyRascal

Roar Guru


Nice to have your dad protecting you all over the internet.

2011-07-28T12:35:01+00:00

CizzyRascal

Roar Guru


Ireland do. I'm not sure if you lot do though.

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2011-07-28T10:29:32+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


That's the thing with Thompson, he hit some huge heights at his peak, and now he's judged on that. I still think he contributes a lot, and I was impressed by him in the 6N when he came off the bench. He was a beast when we won in Australia. I really rate Mears, but I don't think our tight five is strong enough to accomodate him as a starter.

2011-07-28T04:33:08+00:00

jeznez

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Typical evil loosehead getting wide and cheating. Why oh why do they pick on poor innocent tightheads like that? If Doran-Jones was letting him get away with it are you sure he isn't an Aussie? I remember one match my Wallabies played against the Italians and I have a feeling the front row was the very unthreatening Dunning, Cannon and Baxter - they got monstered all day at the scrum. At half time in the game Cannon got asked what was going on and he said that the Italians kept hitting before the referee said engage. I was gobsmacked - how that can be allowed for two scrums rather than a whole half. The front row just need to take a little responsibility and start hitting early too - you don't wait for the ref to fix it - you play what he is allowing. I sat back going at least they know what the problem is and will fix it in the second half. Unfortunately not.... Doran-Jones sounds like he is missing quite a bit, if he wasn't strong enough to counter by tightening up and pressuring the outside shoulder nor canny enough to get his entire scrum to move right then your assessment is correct that he is incomplete.

2011-07-28T04:03:59+00:00

King of the Gorgonites

Roar Guru


The question is, does Ireland and the Wallabies have a good enough scrum to counteract the Italian scrum for the pool stages. If we do then Italy will be a walk in the park. if not then both games will be tight.

2011-07-28T04:03:00+00:00

Aware

Guest


Cocaine is arguably performance enhancing because it dulls the pain receptors and also clears the sinuses, allowing for a clearer head and a better respitory performance. You seem to be splitting hairs by citing that as "non-performance enhancing", imo. If you go out onto the field feeling "high" and relaxed, you're likely to play with more freedom and efficiency.

2011-07-28T00:16:32+00:00

ChrisT

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Like the article Ben. Agree with most of it and particularly liked the Baxter gurn observation. He’s been getting away with that for years. As much as I love Thomo I also realise it’s based on what he brought to England pre 2003. For me he’s lost much of the in your face confrontation, mobility and hands and left us primarily with size. Given the propping available to us I don’t think it’s enough. Hartley also flatters to deceive and I think will remain, as you say, a very good club player. Mears is the guy for me and one we should be giving game time to in the warm ups to find form. He does the basics well enough but very few players in the English pack have good hands outside of Lawes and Easter and it’s that aspect of play that stands a pack like the Kiwis out. Nothing like a decent offload in contact or a 15 metre break off the fringe to screw up defensive patterns and Mears at his best does this well. Just wish he had more of the self-belief Thomo had in his pomp and Hartley carries about with him Also think Cole is already cementing himself as a shoe in. He almost has the demeanour and maturity of a Vickery five years before Phil grew into it. Sheridan is a bit of an enigma. Rarely has a bad game but for some strange reason sometimes leaves me with the impression he didn’t quite leave it all on the park. All up, can’t be unhappy with what’s available to Johnson regarding coal face options. Wonder if between now and when you cover the centres England will find a couple?

2011-07-28T00:08:14+00:00

Colin N

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Sheridan and Cole are certainties. I would take Stevens for versatility and he has performed well for Saracens and then Corbisiero, as he performed well in the Six Nations and I'm a big fan of his. Personally, I've never been convinced by Wilson and with Stevens playing well. The hookers are slightly easier to select. Hartley and Thompson are the two first choice players and rightly so. Chuter was very average last season and kept getting knocked back in the loose. If I'm honest, I think taking someone like Joe Gray or Rob Webber as third choice hooker would be far more beneficial than taking Chuter

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2011-07-27T21:33:26+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


I don't think I'm overly negative at all, Rick. First and foremost I'm English, and a proud England rugby fan. I'm more than happy to debate my opinion of Hartley with you. Corbisiero only started 8 games, and that is a travesty for England. He can also play 3, btw (as I'm sure you know), and Rautenbach is hardly at the peak of his powers. I know that Corbisiero has long been rated, but he really hasn't created anything tangible at London Irish yet. He may well go on to, but it's not unfair to note that he hasn't been a regular at Irish. It's simply an observation. This isn't exactly a serious negative bias: 'Alex Corbisiero started for England in the Six Nations following injuries to Sheridan, and played well. He scrummaged strongly, but sometimes struggled with the physicality of the game in the loose Phil Vickery famously spoke very highly of him, and there is reason to believe he could go on to be a very good player for England. He can play both sides of the scrum comfortably, and is a mobile young prop who apparently has a very good attitude.'

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2011-07-27T20:28:21+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


Which front rowers would you bring, Colin?

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2011-07-27T20:19:12+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


Good grief... Maybe this field of dreams is best avoided if you two are running amok!

2011-07-27T20:14:05+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


KOTG - Ireland certainly has 6 props to talk about. That doesn't mean they'd all be good, but you could certainly talk about them. ;) Mike Ross, Cian Healy, Tom Court, Tony Buckley, Marcus Horan, and eh, John Hayes and Brett Wilkinson. There's four hookers to talk about which is slightly better - Best,Varley, Cronin and Flannery. If Ross or Healy get injured, Ireland are knackered and should just fly home on the next plane.

2011-07-27T12:39:04+00:00

CizzyRascal

Roar Guru


Dodgy bunch us. I have seen Pot on there a few times alright.

2011-07-27T12:15:24+00:00

Rick Corbisiero

Guest


Ben S I have read your article with interest as it came up under a google alert. It does appear to me anyway to have a serious negative bias against the England team. Negatives are accuentated and positives briefly touched on. I think your comments on Dylan H are particularly harsh and unwarranted. With respect to Alex Corbisiero he played in 26 matches and started 8 times in the 2011 season . ie . he missed one and was manadatorily rested for one during the Six Nations tournament. Ahead of him wearing the number 1 shirt is the Captain Clarke Dermondy. While one might expect a potential England loose head to start priority is given to the captaincy . Alex played 690 minutes in the premiership over 18 matches and therefore averaged 38.3 minutes a match despite playing in the same position as the captain. So the fact he doesn't start for his club is no reflection of his ability. He is as you said a big man who does carry around a bit of puppy fat but please be advised that it takes quite a while to turn 119k of body mass into an 11 percent body fat ratio naturally and he is only 22. I have never seen this site but suspect its from the southern hemisphere. Lets see what team is selected but if you are incorrect as I suspect you will be I'll see you for the quarter or Semi Final uin Aukland. Rick C.

2011-07-27T11:55:18+00:00

Colin N

Guest


Slight different in the fact it wasn't performance enhancing. In fact, I think he said that had he taken cocaine less than a day before a match, he could have died.

2011-07-27T10:09:15+00:00

Aware

Guest


Then again, he has served his time. Which is more than you can say for many in the Brazilian swimming team.

2011-07-27T09:44:50+00:00

Aware

Guest


Stevens is a confirmed drug cheat. What sort of message are they sending by selecting him?

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