Have Manly not learnt any lessons from the experience of the Dragons in 2011? Or even Collingwood for that matter? As soon as a coach decides they will be joining a rival club in the same competition they can no longer perform their duties.
It’s a simple conflict of interest that cannot be eschewed no matter how professional the individual in question.
The case in point being Wayne Bennett – a man of unquestionable integrity and arguably the best coach in the game.
The situation of a coach is fundamentally different to that of a player. A player has a simple job to do which is not necessarily affected by the fact that they are going to another club the following season.
If you tell them to hit it up hard – their competitive juices will likely take over.
The coach on the other hand is the leader and the custodian of the tactics. They hold all the knowledge, not only about on field tactics but also longer term issues such as player recruitment.
It’s like Allan Joyce saying “I am leaving to be CEO of Virgin in 2013 but will remain CEO of Qantas in the interim”, it’s absurd.
The empirical evidence from the Dragons in 2011 is compelling. The Dragons had a season of two halves; winning 10 out of their first 11 games and only 4 out of their next 14.
After some of the insipid performances in the second half of the season Bennett made the very un-Bennett like statement that it was the players and not he who had to work out what was going so wrong on the pitch.
This coming from a guy who would ordinarily die for his players. The ultimate proof that Bennett had mentally moved on was when he made a trip to Newcastle prior to the Dragons sudden death final against the Brisbane Broncos.
What would have happened if the Dragons had to play Knights in the finals? Would Bennett have still thought it right to rendezvous with Tinkler?
Earlier in the season when Bennett announced his intention to leave the Dragons (after only a few rounds of the 2011 season and prior to joining the Knights) he stated that he was leaving the Dragons because he had achieved what he had been hired to do – he had delivered the 2010 Premiership.
Such hubris was out of character for the normally modest man and revealed an alarming lack of ambition for the then current season.
Collingwood is a very different manifestation of the same issue. In that case the club had arranged in 2009 that Mick Malthouse would not coach past 2011.
As D Day approached this year the issue started to become a distraction for the team and history will record the fact that they did not win the 2011 Flag despite starting the season as the hottest favorites.
Coaching requires one hundred percent dedication. You cannot get this from someone whose days are numbered. Life tenure is now a relic of the past in all but some Academic institutions. You cannot expect coaches will not chase the dollars, just like we all do.
However, they should not be able to announce deals that take effect in six months or 12 months’ time because it dilutes their ability to do their job in the interim – which is to get their players to fulfill their destiny – it makes them a hypocrite of sorts.
One of the reasons why high profile coaches are so sort after is because of the players they attract – especially the ones that have played with them before.
If you leave a coach around a club for another 12 months – who is to say, they will not try to entice their favorite players to join them at their new club? It’s precisely why people are put on gardening leave in the corporate world.
In Manly’s case it’s not like they are concerned about the void that that will be left if they walk Desy immediately – they have already announced that current assistant Geoff Toovey will take over from him at the end of the season.
Again this is similar to the Malthouse/Buckley succession plan at Collingwood. It is almost inevitable that the incumbent and successor will fall out at some point because the demarcation of their authority has become blurred.
The Manly management (who have already hashed the contract renewal talks with Hasler – hence his move) need to cut their losses and ask Desy to clear his desk.
We are all left with the lament that loyalty appears to be a quality that was left in the last millennium.
Andy
Guest
No way should manly sack a two time premiership winning coach and manly great. At least he for-warned his players of his departure at the beginning of the year instead of mid way through it.
peeeko
Roar Guru
i dont think they can legally sack him unless he has breached his contract, therefore they would have to pay him out and i am sure manly cant afford to do that
The Bagman
Guest
Time will tell with Dessie - but I think he has a bit of a special quality where he uses any adversity to the team's advantage. I'm a Manly supporter and would love to see him stay - Toovey's future performance is a reflection on Des's mentoring. Cheers
Jeff McGinn
Guest
My worry would be that by staying at Manly, Des can 'get in the ear ' of players and affectively convince them to follow his lead. If what I read about him criticising the board of directors ib front of the players is true. I believe this article is probably 50% correct in his 'sacking'. However. If I was on the Manly board, I would have him stay. if it is seeming to derail the team by mid season... OUT HE GOES.
Johnno
Guest
So should wayne beennett of been sacked, ivan cleary, Neil Henry, brian smith (did when he was going to rooster from newcastle). Joe Karsay I think you are having double standards by trying to say one example is different to the other. And i will point this out i am form western sydney,a nd desk Hasler is a penrith boy, and played for Penrith, and western suburbs magpies lat in his playing career. So he is just an adopted northern beaches boy. So returning to western sydney is natural territory for him, not foreign, eh will be welcomed out west with open arms. So you can't say you support some sackings, for coaches who leave sign with another club for the following season and be outraged, and not get angry and outraged for others, a bit double standards and hypocritical with your opinions.
Frank
Guest
As usual the NRL has shown zero leadership around this topic, David Gallop is so concerned about the safety of his own tenure that he refuses to upset anyone across the establishment. Would big Artie tell the troops mid season he's off, would Gibson tells the boys he's had a better offer, the games built on courage and hope not who's got the most pokies. Time to step up Gallop don't worry about Gould and Co.
Ken
Guest
The Dragons semi against Brisbane was the highest quality game of the season, IMO no other teams in the comp would have stood up to either of them that day. Of course, that game saw the Dragons gone and Brisbane hobbled so neither played on the big day - but they were top contenders in good form.
Joe Karsay
Expert
For the league purists I apologise for another cross code comparison - but - Adrian, Geelong did not need to stick with the same coach to keep the dynasty alive. In fact, Manly would be better off giving Toovey a shot at the third premiership while the window is still open rather than have a coach who has mentally moved on, albeit a very successful one.
apaway
Roar Guru
Um, no. You don't sack one of the best coaches in the game just because he has decided his future lies elsewhere after next season. And Manly have a succession plan already in place. Losing Hasler is a complete blight on the Manly board but sacking him would compound it even further.
Matt Waters
Guest
Dragons going out had to do with one thing. they are chokers!
Adrian
Guest
Why give Canterbury a leg up for next season? Let them sweat it out with Dymock for 12 months. Des and Tooves get on great the players want a back to back premiership which will mark them as legends. Hasler wants to stay and have another shot at the premiership because it's going to be a long while coming at Canterbury. Pretty sure the Manly board had no intention of renewing Hasler's contract nine years is enough and if it ends with four Grand Finals and three Premierships it'll go down pretty well in the history books, as it stands three and two reads pretty well anyway. -- Comment left via The Roar's iPhone app. Download The Roar's iPhone App in the App Store here.
mushi
Guest
Maybe your one example in the NRL is the exception? for teh record i do agree with your premise just don't think you've supported it
Joe Karsay
Expert
You are both wrong - I am a Dragons fan! Bagman - My only comeback to the Cleary example is that there is an exception to every rule! I still think it would have been better for his players if they could have kept it under wraps until the end of the season. Ken - How can you say the Dragons were a force at the business end of the season - reigning premiers who went out in straight sets in the finals?
Ken
Guest
Yeah the premise is flawed - even the example used in Bennett doesn't ring true - the Dragons went on a 10 match winning streak after Bennett announced his departure. Origin messed them up but they were still a force at the business end of the season. I was guessing he was a venting Manly fan though...
The Bagman
Guest
What about Ivan Cleary? The Warriors played great after he signed for Penrith. And Des has a great bond with these players. Any chance you're a Bulldogs supporter, Mr Karsay.