Heineken Cup gets northern juices flowing

By Derm / Roar Guru

After the varying disappointments of the Rugby World Cup, the European club/provincial competition gets underway again next weekend, with some of the usual suspects to lift the Cup being joined by a few more possible contenders for this season’s tournament.

The format of the competition consisting of six pools of four teams is interesting. Only the pool winners qualify automatically for the knockout stages, before they are joined by the best of second-placers from the six pools.

The second round teams are hence, generally only known when the last match of the last round has been played.

This season sees the following pool line-up:

Pool 1

Castres
Munster
Northampton
Scarlets

Pool 2

Cardiff Blues
Edinburgh
London Irish
Racing Metro Paris

Pool 3

Bath
Glasgow Warriors
Leinster
Montpellier

Pool 4

Aironi
Clermont Auvergne
Leicester Tigers
Ulster

Pool 5

Biarritz
Ospreys
Saracens
Treviso

Pool 6

Connacht
Gloucester
Harlequins
Toulouse

In Pool 1, Munster will have a fight on their hands, with Saints and Scarlets looking to get an edge on the faltering former Heineken champions.

Munster may find themselves looking down the barrel of disappointment again this season. Northampton will be looking to make amends for their collapse in the final last season against Leinster.

Scarlets will be there or thereabouts and could take points off the front two at home.

Munster’s Thomond fortress to be breached again.

Prediction: Northampton first

Pool 2 looks a good bet for the Cardiff Blues, however, Racing are performing well in the Top 14, and if the Frenchmen can travel better than last season, they could come out on top.

The Irish blow too hot and cold and could easily lose to Edinburgh, never mind the two front-runners.

Prediction: Blues to nick it.

Pool 3 has been dubbed an easy pool for current champions, Leinster, to take out and get themselves a home quarter-final by gaining top spot and some bonus points along the way.

Judging by their performance in last weekend’s derby against Munster, they’ll have to work a lot harder.

They’ve brought in a couple of imports this season, but one of them is already injured, and Horgan and O’Driscoll may be out for a while with long-term knee and shoulder injuries.

Schmidt has been developing some of the new youngsters, but they may not be up to scratch.

Prediction: This could end up being a hard-fought pool with Leinster possibly nicking it on the last day, but Montpellier could surprise a few people.

Pool 4 has supposed easybeats Aironi – the weaker of the two Italian teams, and thus this pool will likely provide one of the two best runner-up.

Former European winners Leicester and Ulster along with T14 champions, Clermont Auvergne, will be knocking lumps out of each other at their home bases and hoping to snatch wins somewhere on the road.

This is a difficult one to call, but I suspect Vern Cotter may galvanise his troops to push them to the top.

Prediction: Clermont first, Ulster second (just).

Pool 5 has the other Italian side, Treviso, awaiting for teams unprepared to do the hard yards.

Last year, Treviso took a couple of scalps, and they’ve had four wins on the trot in the Pro 12, so they’ll be looking to upset Biarritz, Saracens or Ospreys.

Premiership champions, Saracens, have added to their ranks this year, with the most notable being John Smit, and are determined to push on for European honours.

Biarritz have been here plenty of times before, and know how to grind out a win, when the time calls for it.

Welsh outfit, Ospreys, have lost some of their ‘galacticos’ and have had a flying start to their league season, even without their Rugby World Cup players.

They stumbled at the weekend, as combinations took time to gel, but they’ll be a handful for any of their opponents.

Prediction: This is probably the most difficult pool to call, and sides will trade losses, but I’ll go with Ospreys to take it out in the final pool round.

Pool 6 has another newcomer – with Connacht making it through to the competition for the first time, courtesy of Leinster automatically qualifying as winners last season.

The Irish development side have lost four players to their provincial rivals, and like Aironi, are likely to provide five-pointers for others in the pool.

Four-time champions, Toulouse, should do for the Irish club as well as English teams, Harlequins and Gloucester.

Prediction: Toulouse first, Quins as runner-up.

One bookie has Leinster and Toulouse as joint 4/1 favorites followed by Leicester (7/1), Clermont (9/1), Munster and Northampton (10/1) and Saracens (12/1).

The Crowd Says:

2011-11-20T21:57:38+00:00

King of the Gorgonites

Roar Guru


round 2 update?

2011-11-16T22:02:10+00:00

Intotouch

Guest


I can't be sure which team will get first in their pool. Brilliant competition.

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2011-11-13T21:24:12+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


Ulster managed to score a try and beat Clermont yesterday 16-11. Ospreys finished off Biarritz 28-21. Today, Toulouse just got past Gloucester today 21-17 with Luke Burgess turning in a man of the match performance. Luke McAllister had a performance to forget. Stephen Donald took his bow for Bath earlier in the day and had a chance to repeat his World Cup heroics with winning kick two minutes from time. He fluffed it. Their opposition, glasgow, unexpectedly stole the match as they lined up a drop kick, and it bounced off the onrushing defender and spun wildly. Richjie Gray followed up, grabbed it and slid under the posts. Firhill went wild. A great victory for the Scots - 26-21. As expected Saracens had an easy enough task against Treviso, with newcomer old-timer, John Smit, making his bow and scoring a try for the Northern Saffas in a five-try to two demolition of the Italians - 42-17.

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2011-11-12T20:18:05+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


In the final game of Saturday, Munster took on last season's finalists Northampton at Thomond Park. Game of the weekend. Tries on both sides with Doug Howlett touching down for the men in red to give them the lead - again in a match that was full of dynamism, powerful scrums, bone-jarring tackles. Back came the Saints to regain the lead at 21-20 with a superb try down the left touchline. Other heads would have dropped. Massive defense from both sides, and Munster were staring down the barrel at losing a second game in Limerick in 15 years of the competition. Still they came. The 80 minutes siren went and Munster still had the ball - inside their own half. Slowly they made their way up the pitch. Northampton smashed in the tackles. Progress up the pitch could be measured in inches. The phases grew and grew - 10, 15 20, 25, still they retained the ball, the crowd on their feet, the fans screaming at the their teams to keep going....30, 32, 35, Howlett, Murphy and Mafi made a burst, and Munster were 30 metres in the Saint's half. The p[layers were gasping from exhaustion. 6 minutes were on the clock. Even Nigel Owens was looking worn out. The ball was fed once again. 38 phases, 39, 40, and then 41, the ruck steadied, O'Gara moved back in to the pocket. O'Leary seemed to take an age. He picked, the ball few back, O'Gara collected and fired. Straight through the posts. 23-21 to Munster. Cue delirium in Thomond, Limerick, Munster and every red-packed bar throughout the country. Superb stuff. Fantastic match. Another Heineken Cup memory. Who needs the RWC?.......

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2011-11-12T17:31:30+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


And Ospreys hold out to win 28-21 against Biarritz. Ulster pull out a magnificent victory with resolute defending against Clermont and it finishes 16-11. Cracking match and victory.

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2011-11-12T17:20:04+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


Update.... Ulster don't give up. A brilliant breakaway run by Centre, Adam Darcy, then fed, Humphreys to touchdown and duly convert. Ulster now lead 16-11 with 8 minutes to go. Ian Balshaw thought he'd gone over for his hat-trick with Biarritz but was called back for a knock-on. Still 28-21

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2011-11-12T17:13:49+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


And so far, games running to predictions. In Pool 2 on Friday night, Cardiff Blues opened their account with a great away win against Racing Metro - 26-20. A perfect start for the Welshmen where French away wins are tough to achieve. Dan Parks had his shooting boots on, and his four penalties and converting two tries from Filise and Cuthbert gave them the victory. Poll 6 saw first timers, Connacht take the field in the H CUp, and they fought bravely at The Stoop against Quins who had hoped to run away with the game and get a bonus point. After gaining a good half-time lead, Connacht cam back strongly and outscored the Harlequins two tries to one. Their indiscipline cost them though, and the absence of a solid kicker like Keatley, meant they failed to get a last minute kick and a losing bonus point. It finished 25-17 to Quins. Pool 4 Had the Italians, Aironi, hosting two-time winners, Leicester, and the Tigers were on the scoreboard early. They ran out of steam and direction in the second half coupled with strong resistance from the Italian side, it finished 28-12 but no try bonus point for Leicester - a point they might regret come the final round of the pool stages next January. In the same pool, Ulster are currently hosting Clermont Auvergne at Ravenhill, and the French visitors currently lead in the second half in a tight game 11-9. Could be a close one, but the French look too good to go under, steered by Morgan Parra. An important away win is on the cards for them in this tough pool. However, Ulster have a great home record and they won't give up without a fight. In Pool 1, perennial poor travelllers, Castres, lost to the Scarlets - 31-23. The Welsh got three tries in their victory and prevented Castres getting the LBP. In Pool 5, Ospreys and Biarritz toughed out a first half with the Welshmen leading 6-3. They have begun to widen the gap in the second, and currently lead 28-21 just after the hour mark in front of their home crowd. Ospreys looking impressive, but Biarritz have just scored their second try - plenty to play for. Finally, in Pool 3, two games have finished. As predicted, London Irish blow hot and cold and managed to go cold and lose at home to a revitalized Edinburgh 19-20 - the Scots dominating the final 20 minutes Whilst Irish got the LBP, losing your home games is not a recipe for success. The absence of Brian O'Driscoll and Cian Healy was felt in the game between Leinster and newcomers, Montpellier. The Frenchmen took heart from their home crowd and took a deserved lead with a great breakaway, counter try finished by the outstanding blinder, Oudeadrago. Leinster subbed well in the second half, and after Sean Cronin barreled over for a well taken try, Sexton tied the game up with a last second penalty to a chorus of boos and it finished 16-16. In the end, 2 points from this game was a bonus for the defending champions who no doubt will get better as their RWC players blend back in.

2011-11-09T07:26:36+00:00

sk

Guest


glasgow are looking pretty strong in the celtic league and i doubt bath will be easy beats in pool 4

2011-11-08T18:07:25+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


I'm not sure how the English sides are going to do this season. Gloucester and Harlequins seem well coached and play some nice rugby, but are probably a little too experienced and lack the heavy hitter imports of the wealthy French clubs. Northampton have a bigger squad this season, which in itself doesn't mean anything unless the coaches manage to successfully integrate those players. Also, there is still an issue surrounding their starting 10 and midfield combinations. Leicester seem a little short in the back department, but still have quite a fearsome pack. Clermont have recruited well this season, so they will have their work cut out for them. And then there is Saracens. I think Saracens could potentially do very well. They have a good squad, and well drilled to boot.

2011-11-08T13:59:23+00:00

Shropshirelad

Guest


GL - "Saffacens" - Love it!!:) Love the H cup too - Got to agree that the SH lads would have one hell of a tournament if they followed the same sort of format - not sure how it would work in practice (as not thought it through) but gut reaction would be that including the likes of Samoa and Co. would make for some great sport! Anyway in the meantime .....Oh when the Saints......Go Marching in..... Beers all

2011-11-08T13:41:24+00:00

Ross

Guest


"The format of the competition consisting of six pools of four teams is interesting. Only the pool winners qualify automatically for the knockout stages, before they are joined by the best of second-placers from the six pools. " That's one of the best aspects of the tournament, it pretty much means that every pool match counts because 2nd place is no guarantee of anything. If the format of the FIFA World Cup when it was 24 teams was used- 1st & 2nd & best 4 3rd place teams go to last 16. It would give far too much of a comfort zone for many teams.

2011-11-08T10:53:01+00:00

p.Tah

Guest


Anyone know if these games are shown in Australia or can you only watch them though Setanta?

2011-11-08T10:07:16+00:00

CizzyRascal

Roar Guru


They've already done up the Sportsground and will be able to hold 8-10,000 for the H Cup games. They won't be allowed to use GAA stadiums.

2011-11-08T05:13:28+00:00

kovana

Guest


Exactly. Dont be surprised if they actually do this with Saffas and NZs Domestic Club teams. Saffas have made the Premier Currie Cup division down to 6 teams... With promo/relegation with the First division. NZ NPC now has 2 divisions.. The Premiership and Championship.. 7 teams each.. Dont be surprised if its cut down to 6. I would rather support Auckland rather than the made up Blues region...

2011-11-08T04:19:05+00:00

Green Lantern

Guest


Great article Potsie, I love the Heineken cup, almost as much as drinking it. Il be screaming for the so-to-say only Saffa side in the tournament. Go Saffacens!!!

2011-11-08T00:19:31+00:00

Bakkies

Guest


Pool 1. Northampton have been poor in the AP this year but with guys like Tongu'ahia, Foden, Ashton back they will be dangerous. Munster only suffered a close loss to the Ospreys at home which was the killer blow. Pool 2 Will be open. All will depend on Racing to see if they will be taking it seriously this season. Pool 3 Leinster should take this. Montpellier have started the season very slowly but will be fresh after having recent fixtures postponed due to a flu bug in French rugby. Trinh Duc will be back too. Pool 4 Strong group. Leicester like Northampton have started the AP very slowly. Watched them last week and the forward power is still evident particularly in the scrum. Ulster have been terrible in the Pro 12, still a young side and have some good players working in to some form after being in NZ. Clermont are very dangerous but perform poorly in the knockouts. Need to land a victory away from home in a strong group. Aironi are good defensively but lack discipline and attacking threat to win games. Pool 5 Should be between the Ospreys and Saracens. Biarritz have finally landed a tough pool. They are rock bottom in the Top 14 and have suffered some big defeats. Add on to that they have suffered from the flu bug. Harinordoquy and Yachvili will be back and they need them. A strong H Cup team but avoiding relegation in an even Top 14 should be their number one priority. Pool 6 Toulouse and Harlequins should fight this out. Harlequins are top of the AP and Toulouse will get back a heavy French contigent from the RWC. Caucau out for the season. Connacht are playing their games at the Sportsground in Galway and will add temporary seats. Will be tough to beat at home

2011-11-07T23:51:18+00:00

Johnno

Guest


Love the HEK cup, and hope Italian teams do well, this is what model i would like to see in SH rugby, iit would work far better than a super 15 model.

2011-11-07T22:10:10+00:00

King of the Gorgonites

Roar Guru


It woulb be nice to see Treviso perform well. After a disappointing RWC for the Italians, they need some positives. It would be good to see some of the best Italaian players who are currently in France return to these sides to bolster there stocks. Will be interesting to see Connacht. Will they be playing their games out of the showground? is there any larger, perhaps GAA grounds, that could hold there matches?

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