NRL needs venues in Sydney's sporting patchwork quilt

By League Freak / Roar Guru

It’sbeen announced that the Sydney Cricket Ground will be upgraded, with funding from the Australian Federal Government of $50 million, the New South Wales State Government of $86 million, and the SGC Trust spending $50 million.

This will see the venue’s capacity boosted from 45,758 to 48,000.

Wait, what? That works out to be just under $83,000 per additional seat! How bloody ridiculous.

It makes me think about the scattergun approach rugby league has taken to upgrading its own facilities. So many millions of dollars have been wasted on so many different venues, none of which are anywhere near up to the standard they should be.

There is no long-term strategy in regards to where the NRL wants to permanently base teams in Sydney. There is no long-term plan for which venues will get funding to becomes the world-class facilities that the game needs. The sad thing is, rugby league has no one to blame but itself.

Right now only the Sydney Roosters, Parramatta Eels and Penrith Panthers have permanent, long-term home stadiums.

The West Tigers and St George-Illawarra Dragons have at least two ‘home’ stadiums, as well as moving bigger games to ANZ Stadium or the Sydney Football Stadium.

The Canterbury Bulldogs currently play out of ANZ Stadium, but recently opened a taxpayer funded training facility at the dilapidated Belmore Oval. The club has said they want to get back up to NRL standards again, courtesy of the taxpayer, as if anyone wants to travel to Belmore to watch games.

The Manly Sea Eagles want funding to upgrade their stadium, though it’s impossible to get to and has no parking. They have talked about moving the club if they don’t get a stadium upgrade.

Then you have the poor old Cronulla Sharks who are so busy servicing debt that they don’t know how long they will be around, let alone if they will be playing at Shark Park long term.

It is one great big mess and it doesn’t have to be that way.

I would like to see the NRL sit down and formulate a long-term strategy for where it wants every NRL club playing in Sydney, not just over the next few seasons, but 20 years from now.

They need to look at fully servicing the Campbelltown area with a full time team. They need to look at what venues they want to invest their product in, and in turn look at getting funding for those venues, so that rugby league fans can attend games at stadiums that are comfortable and give the best spectator experience.

The NRL should look to team up with Football Federation Australia and the Australian Rugby Union, and all three sports sit down and talk about strategic plans for facilities, from the biggest stadiums down to local playing fields.

All three sports require a rectangular field. The goal posts and field markings change, but that is it. Across all three sports, spectators and players require the exact same things.

Being able to lobby the government for funding as a group, and with a long-term strategy, would benefit all three sports. They are all trying to target the same areas, but without a coordinated approach. That makes it very difficult to get anything done.

I would like to see Sydney end up with a rectangular stadium with a capacity of between 35-40,000, based near the geographical centre.

To me, Parramatta Stadium ticks a lot of boxes and gives you a great base to build upon. With the right amount of commitment from three sports, a number of full time tenants and the right amount of funding, you could turn Parramatta Stadium into a smaller version of Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane.

Imagine a 35,000 seat version of Suncorp based at Parramatta. It would become the home of the Parramatta Eels and Canterbury Bulldogs in the NRL, as well as being home to a western Sydney A-League team, meaning it would be used 12 months of the year.

This venue would be the perfect size to host rugby league internationals, as well as bigger games involving western Sydney teams such as the Wests Tigers and Penrith Panthers. It could host smaller football and rugby union internationals as well.

The alternative is to look at building a brand new stadium, that would need a bigger commitment from all three sports and would probably require the game to abandon a few venues around Sydney.

That would see a stadium built at Homebush Bay, perhaps, with the Canterbury Bulldogs and South Sydney Rabbitohs committing to the venue, a promise that the Parramatta Eels would play their biggest games at this stadium, and a similar commitment from the Dragons and the Tigers (who would have to finally give up Leichhardt Oval and commit to Campbelltown and the new stadium).

This will all horrify the traditionalists, but I don’t really care. Right now we are seeing so many millons of taxpayer money being thrown away on venues that, even after having tens of millions spent on them, are still not up to any reasonable standard.

Plenty of people claim that Sydney league teams don’t get huge crowds because they are not marketed well. That is a misconception.These days all venues are in competition with HD TV and a busier lifestyle. League is up against television coverage, your own lounge chair, beers from your own fridge and pizza.

To get people to go to the football, and come back time and time again, you have to provide a very good experience. It is not good enough any more to offer a grass hill at an out of the way suburban ground with no parking what so ever. You can’t ask a supporter to invest money in a night out to watch your team play, and then offer them a poor facility.

When you look at stadiums in other cities, Sydney is locked in a completely different era. A stadium such as Suncorp, Skilled Park on the Gold Coast, or AAMI Park in Melbourne, are so good that fans attending games just want to come back and watch anything at the stadium, whichever sport it is.

There are Super League teams in England with stadiums better than those at Manly, Cronulla, Balmain, St George and Penrith. St Helens has just completed construction on a new venue, and while it only has a capacity of 18,000, it leaves anything in the aforementioned areas for dead.

If rugby league in Sydney wants to provide a good enough experience to keep fans coming back, it will need to provide venues that are up to today’s standards. For all the talk about how great traditional old venues are, the fact is that newer stadiums go beyond drawing in just the die hard fans, and because of that they draw bigger attendances.

Not long ago rugby league used to have a match of the round that it would hold at the SCG. This allowed people to go to a top-class venue with a big capacity. It allowed as many people as possible to attend a big game in the most comfortable environment possible.

This should be what is provided every single week to Sydney NRL fans. We need to get funding for venues, but we need to concentrate that funding into a select few, not throw money at old ruins so we can play the occasional game at grounds our parents used to go to. Time moves on…

If the SCG can spend $186 million to add a few extra seats, I don’t think it is beyond reason to think that league, football and union could get together the money to have a rectangular football stadium in the geographical heart of Sydney that would become the home of a number of different clubs as well as hosting internationals.

Keep in mind that for the $186 million upgrade the SCG will undergo for cricket and AFL alone, you could have constructed Skilled Stadium on the Gold Coast and had a spare $26 million. I’m sure that would be enough to buy a few extra seats as well.

The Crowd Says:

2012-01-16T07:13:47+00:00

Crosscoder

Roar Guru


Which means, the part owners of the NRL are doing a very ordinary job in the promotion stakes.They should be doing only fluff pieces.

2012-01-16T07:09:51+00:00

Crosscoder

Roar Guru


Jaceman Just did a bit of googling ,it takes little time and effort. Yeah funny that many in the UK refer to rugby league and rugby league players as rugby players>it happens in Melbourne ,who would have thought.They both play a from of rugby.

2012-01-16T06:46:56+00:00

Jaceman

Guest


News Ltd owns Cars Guide - did anyone mention that?/

2012-01-13T06:01:04+00:00

Jaceman

Guest


It was not in the SMH hardcopy. All those international publications (you read and watch a lot) talk about a Rugby player so confusion there which begs the qn why it want in the Tel - it was in the CM and HS

2012-01-13T02:49:25+00:00

Graeme Szynal

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We need a few boutique stadiums out in the Macarthur region too. We need fenced in grounds, a small undercover grandstand, good changing rooms and a good playing surface. A ground suitable for the likes of a Bundy Cup or NSW Cup side.

2012-01-12T10:26:39+00:00

Crosscoder

Roar Guru


It certainly is with SMh.And I note in the Uk,the following media outlets have the story about the Hull player and their cover up..The outlets:- Sunday Express,ESPN,Sports Illustrated ",bugger me" even the India times,Sky News,daily Mail.Daily Star,UK Telegraph,The Sun,the Guardian.BBC,The Mirror,,the Metro. All this coverage indeed for a serious matter for a code,according to P Pottinger is only in a couple of grimy villages up north. Surely a code batting above its weight. Let me also get one thing clear.I have never stated that other codes have more ofifield incidents than it.I don't count them,I get enough embarrassment by the ones committed within the code I follow.One incident, is one too many. I do know that for years, in Sydney in both rl and ru the carpet was well swept.At various stages in my teen years and early twenties was involved with both, as a speccie and schoolboy(of course not in my 20s LOL). These days you can't pick your nose in public,if you are high profile,as someone with a nosey Nokia will have a shot of you so doing. The wests-Tigers merger was inevitable.Grassroots development and juniors will be fully supported.The merger was trying to be a man for all seasons.I still believe the Magpies logo should be utilised for an expansion team.

2012-01-12T00:28:01+00:00

Jaceman

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I thought it would be newsworthy here. THe Balmain-Wests merger is under scrutiny today in the tele leading credence to your theory

2012-01-11T21:59:34+00:00

Crosscoder

Roar Guru


Jaceman. Sorry you lost me.The story is well known within intl rugby league circles .I subscribe to Rugby League World magazine and am aware of the details.It is not hidden from view. There has been stories about a player going to jail for fraud in the UK another for assault.I still have no idea what you are getting at. I know there are issues with rl players.How do I know? .Its publicised here and the UK..You dont publicise ,if it is hidden. You picked the wrong target if you fired back at me ,with English rl players because their offfield antics get plenty of publicity.. Of course it newsworthy.But getting drunk and having your photo on the front page,when there are more important issues in the world is desperate journalism..

2012-01-11T05:13:19+00:00

Jaceman

Guest


And it was not in the SMH printed version but on their website. Wasnt he an international?? Wasnt he born here?? so it is newsworthy!

2012-01-11T05:06:22+00:00

Jaceman

Guest


Nathan We are having a good time but its important because every time there is an atrocity in NRL many in NRL just say the other codes are worse and cover the atrocities up or sweep them under the carpet. The depth of reasoning behind those idiotic " others are worse" type comments should be exposed...

2012-01-11T04:09:11+00:00

Jaceman

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BTW The infamous league hater Tele never printed this story apparently http://www1.skysports.com/other-sports/news/12198/7400865/Tragic-day-for-league

2012-01-11T03:48:27+00:00

Nathan of Perth

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Good lord, between the two you've got most of the warmongering of the last thousand years of Europe! No wonder you're always on the codewar threads :)

2012-01-11T03:46:36+00:00

Jaceman

Guest


But you admit there have been coverups in all codes which is progress. The usual NRL response is that all NRL atrocities are out in the open and the other codes cover them up...

2012-01-11T02:39:38+00:00

Crosscoder

Roar Guru


Jaceman Implied! Last minute? No sirree?Certainly not my intention,if you understood it being that way. The NRL looked at the situation, what happens with an all Qld G/F that is all.Common logic would suggest having it staged at suncorp would give more locals a chance. The code has looked at (according to Gallop) about the possibility of having cities bid for the G/F.Doesn't mean it will happen,but any sound business looks at all avenues and should look outside the square.I guess that is also one of the reasons the state govt jumped in to guarantee it for 10 years. Two venues reserved 12 months ahead,nothing is impossible.Who knows what will happen in 10 years.

2012-01-11T02:38:12+00:00

Jaceman

Guest


Apologies - no intent - it was a weak German french border joke and I would never make light of schizophrenia which is horrible...

2012-01-11T02:17:41+00:00

Crosscoder

Roar Guru


Well jaceman on that basis we can discount all sports' writers,as writing untruths 100% of the time. You suggesting all the gents ramblings are untruths?The readers are not all mugs ,they know at times there is BS or colouring,but also there are truths,which some cannot handle. Conversely must we approve only of those who provide nothing but good new stories to a code.I am still trying to find one in rl.And rest assured it " äin't " Gould,Masters,Rothfield,R Wilson,Craddock.

2012-01-11T01:57:05+00:00

Jaceman

Guest


Growden writes a lot of stuff like this under "Rumours" "Who is the well known rugby liaison officer now known as ''BP'' because he is providing ''bad oil''? Whoever is going to take over as the NSWRU chief executive remains a mystery. But we now hear that a very left-field candidate, who has made some considerable blunders in recent times, is trying to push their way up the greasy pole." No names just unsubstantiated rumours. It happens in all codes. I'll never forget how the RL world was amazed that the Wayne Carey/teammates wife story was in the headlines when a similar NRL situation never made the light of day except perhaps down your way!!!

2012-01-11T01:51:17+00:00

Jaceman

Guest


It was implied from an earlier post ",the NRL has been looking at the situation where a Cowboys v Brisbane G/F should it so happen,would be better played at Suncorp." I interpreted it as a last minute decision because you say also "You are correct grand finals may not be moved,but who is to say both venues can be reserved to cover the possibility" which on rereading sounds contradictory so I am not sure what your position is?? Whats the point of reserving the 2 stadiums if you are not going to move it...

2012-01-11T01:37:35+00:00

Crosscoder

Roar Guru


PC has zilch to do with it.I know a young bloke who suicided due to schizo,as a result of drug abuse.In fact the famous rl coach Jack Gibson lost a son to it. If being defensive is PC in this instant I make no apologies. The use of the term as a generalisation I would agree,the directive was hardly a generalisation. OK champ I will click my heels when I stand to attention (wink). Having a little too much to drink,is hardly character downgrading.

2012-01-11T01:24:43+00:00

Crosscoder

Roar Guru


What on earth are you on about.Nowhere did I suggest a G/F was going to be a last minute decision.Any decision if it were to be made (and i have my doubts) would be at least a year or two's notice. Reserving a stadium twelve months in advanceand giving people plenty of notice.G/F tickets don't go on sale in January. Matter of fact the number of interstate people who complain about sunday night,and having to go to work the next day,is legendary. It doesn't have to be my best post,just the facts. Maybe you should have a chat with Gallop and the QRL ,down the line it is not a dead issue.Especially as the code will have more of a national imprint.

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