Solving NRL's Sydney stadium dilemmas

well said! correct me if I'm wrong, thought the dogs were based at Concord oval during 1995..

If Parra was still a powerhouse thsn thats ok but The Eels are crumbling and the fans walk away from games their fans dont even attend the full 80 mins and who could blame them would you like to watch your tesm get belted for 80mins. I would like to create a new rectangular stadium 35k and maybe use Skoda stadium

PBB Not meaning to be rude, but I think you need to work on your editing. Of course your welcome to your opinions...whatever they might be...but 11 of the last 13 comments have been yours.

I am actually talking about catapulting league to the next level in sports entertainment. The NRL needs to get a hand in this project. Because it needs to LEAD the games of Sydney. ---> If you read this wiki, you will understand how a much loved stadium can simply just change things forever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfalenstadion QUOTE "It is one of the most famous football stadiums in Europe and was elected best football stadium by The Times for its renowned atmosphere.[4] It has a league capacity of 80,720 (standing and seated) and an international capacity of 65,718 (officially seats only).[1][5][2] It is Germany's biggest stadium and the sixth biggest stadium in Europe. The stadium established the European record in average fan attendance in 2004–2005 with a total of 1.354 million fans. The stadium broke this record in the 2011-2012 season with almost 1.37 million spectators.[3] The supporters' enthusiasm increasingly produces over 50,000 sold season tickets. Regularly 24,454 fans on the famous terrace called Südtribüne, fill the largest still existing standing area in European football.[6][7] Famous for the intense atmosphere it breeds, the south terrace has been nicknamed "Yellow Wall". ___ A stadium such as this, so close, so intense, so menacing and yet grand, could just alter everyones view of rugby league in the city. The SFS is yesterdays stadium. You need something similar to Westfalen. Imposing and wonderful all at the same time. Homebush is, and never will be, a true league stadium. You need to say "move over Suncorp Stadium". Guys, I was there for the game when it needed a strategic plan, and I am here now, when it needs a new stadium. The next stadium to be built in Sydney needs to be rectangular, and as such, it needs to be like Westfalen. Only the best viewing and atmosphere will do. ___ "Now it is considered one of the biggest and most comfortable stadiums in Europe." Need we say more. This could be the new parramatta for all we know!

Hey, why would I say build westerfallen stadium? Because it's as far from an oval as possible. Even the stands are rectangles. Every time I look at the curves at the sfs or home bush I think oval. There is no room for curves at rugby league...apart from the ball.which we throw around. Lol Seriously. Plus the other factors. And our game is structured like a right angle. It's order then chaos. The stands and the crowd

Btw . Forget about this stuff. I think the author made a great case. It makes a lot of sense. You may deviate from it slightly and it would still be ok. It would be great for para top be involved too since it's pre existing. The stadium there once upgraded would be fine. You even have Homebush. I have already said else where if you want a new stadia look to westerfallen in Germany. But an upgraded sfs with rail,extra could be great. if people find it to hard to get to them for lesser games, hey there agree plenty of other stadia. A back to Leichhardt oval game and a cricket ground game would be novelties well done. Or going to other stadia. Still, the author made a well thought out point

The idea in Brisbane and I guess other places is for paid fares for large events. Basically any major code. Why this would not happen in Sydney I don't know.they do it sometimes. I guess it's a question of money. But they should start doing it more. Or the Nrl can partially fund it. It gets people used to travelling on public transport. And it's fair. You pay your taxes and rates.it's your city too I can't make it to tonights games. We all can't always go. But with things in place it's always an easy and predictable journey. Few stoppages.on time. Services are run especially for it. Moving people takes a large effort and if the stadia are there, it is no problem. Things may get better for you yet. They can hardly get worse so it would seem

How about total crowds each game type has put there in there this year Oval Codes Cricket/AFL 98K Rectangle Codes Super15/Soccer/League 248K. With so much of the season still to go for rectangle sports to play events in the stadium. It's a no brainer which codes use the stadium. The SFS is big enough to accomodate the larger crowds for Oval codes. Skoda stadium if you need to have the odd match out west.

If you want them to upgrade Brookvale I would truly love that but I just don't think they are. I guess it's horses for courses. That's logistically the best thing. Sometimes you will have to goto the sfs. But out must be easy. Put on services, buses, fans gather at a central location whatever it takes. In England fans go to the home ground for pickup for away games often. So much can be done. It's just time.distance.money.will

Bear fax do as you please. I would love it if you and people like you could go to a game as often as possible with relative ease. I once proposed a 4 stadium plan. 1 for each quarter of Sydney. Even IF the govt decides to just do two, what's stopping the Nrl from using 4? Or more. Like now. I think there well always be games at shark park manly Penrith. I do not think it's feasable for Sydney to do otherwise. I would ideally like to see a situation where there is no more than an hours journey for most people. People in Brisbane do it and north qld This is definitely not about displacing fans or disenfranchising the masses I think it needs a big study. Because you are implying and we know besides that there are lathe isolated pockets of supporters in the city. I am sure something can be done too suit th majority of people most of the time. I would like to see a fixed schedule for Sydney derbies at the least. I want people knowing where and when and how, and a decent plan on how to get there. In fact I want out pre organised so people know what they are in for and they can prepare and yes I want direct transport. I want it to be as easy as possible. . I believe this can be done above what we all do now. That, we will continue to do anyway.

PBB. I appreciate that you are trying to find a workable solution , but expecting supporters to travel 'many hours each way'' to see a Rugby League match on a weekly basis is just unrealistic. They may go to a few games but the cost of the tickets and cost of travel for a family become exorbitant. Problem is you have the cart in front of the horse and are impying supporters have an obligation to do their part. WHY? This is not employment. It is an entertainment and in this world if you want to attract people to your form of entertainment, you offer them something palatable and certainly not requiring weekly 6 hour travel. It is I'm afraid up to the League to 'do its part'. I go to a rugby league match for entertainment. If the team isnt performing or I have to consistently make huge sacrifices to get to the game, then I wont go. I can watch it on TV or I can go and watch a local soccer or union match instead. There seems to be this sense that some of us have to make sacrfiices while others dont. Your joking arent you. I go because I want to go. If it becomes too much hard work (and remember this is my leisure time) then I wont go. There are losts of other entertainments vying for my money and Leagues efforts to centralise their matches is making their entertainment option less competitive than others. I, like most other supporters, have no obligation to attend a League match. I go because I choose to go. It is therefore totally up to the League if it wants to hold onto my support and money, to do its best to attract me to the game. This idea being proposed would not be attracting me to the game if I lived on the northern peninsula. The consequence is that League loses yet another large proportion of its supporters just as it did when it got rid of Norths and chose to ignore the Central Coast bid. If they want our support, the League must make the sacrifices, not the supporter. The supporter will just go off and watch something else instead.

________________ ____________*************************** BTW - I think this is reason enough for a fixed schedule, don't you? *Especially* in Sydney at least. They need to know when, where, and how. So in regards to organising this, they should have a fixed schedule if only for sydney, and then they can plan far better. I would love to see a situation whereby any sydney derby is LOCKED IN at the start of the season - date and time but the venue may change perhaps, who knows, but you need some flexibility. (because if they cannot have a fixed schedule for everyone, due to revenue concerns, I want them to start slowly at least) Sydney would appear to be the kind of town this would benefit most.

oops......as in, they are trying to move large groups of people, and I know that in Brisbane we run extra services. So, I hope they are running extra services down there, ect, making it easy. If it means you have to be at the station or bus stop by 11am for the "cronulla fan express", so be it. BUT!!!! Once you hop onto that service - you don't have to worry. It will deliver you in time. :) Thats what I want. And I know not everyone will want to use something like that, but at least its there for those who do, and in time, habits may change. But if its one thing we know, the services and things need to be in place for when people - lazy as we are - DO decide to use it. Now, transport is just one side of things. Then there is the stadia. If thats fixed on the other side of things, won't it be great.. We won't hold our breath, but is there seriously any other way to do it? (I am thinking no)

Its never easy, and I am very sorry. You guys love rugby league. WHY is it such a hassle to be in transit for extra minutes? Remember that you won't have a game if you keep wanting to go to Brookvale so much, or leichhardt oval. At the moment, I am not solving stadium dilemmas, and you are not. All there is, is complaining from you, and "see reason" from me. Whoever is running the ship down there will try and solve them. I am sure, in the wash, if you don't really want to travel, you won't. You will stay at home. But if you decide to, when all the things are in place, it will potentially be the most easy possible trip. ___ With a stadium in Liverpool, ect. Who knows what will happen. But why should you not "suffer" as you seem to put it, and other people do? What if the shoe was on the other foot? The fact is, its a big city, and its not well planned out and thats just the way it is, given its development. You will just have to accept that while things may get better - they may not be perfectly suited to everyone. At least they are trying to make them better. And they probably will. Thats all I am saying. We can speculate about stadia placement all day, but someone will always live closer. __ I do not know about you, but my ideal solution would be thus : 1. I want to goto a game. 2. Ok, you need to go to X location to enter the transport system, and get into the "stream" 3. Its a hassle free journey, with as few stops as possible, and its as quick and as fuss-free as posible. And its cheap...and the price is included in the ticket. 4. You get dropped off VERY close to the stadium, no more than a 10 min walk. 5. Hopefully it will be close to after game things - but this is not a requirement, but a luxury. (so there should be no, drive to x, get on train. get off, get on next train, catch bus. get in a bottle-neck...wait....wait...game.....bottleneck.....wait....wait.....reverse home journey....home at midnight. ) It should never be like that - not in 2012) P.S. So when they sit down to work this all out, we'd want the clubs being involved somehow, and they should take each club into consideration. I want them to work out "OK....how will a fan at cronulla/miranda/kirrawee, ect, get to a game at X?"......"How will a fan in Manly get to a game at X?"

because there is not enough money I liken that to the "why can't a country person see NRL games in their own backyard!?" You can't. Its not played there.

If we had the right infrastructure that would be a nice start. NSW has spent a sent on it in the last 15 years. Well not since the Olympics.

Because I have to come to Sydney to watch games some times... We are also fascinated by how Sydney manages to make something like this look so difficult.

The issue with the Northern Beaches is that the State government has never provided adequate transport in and out, there is no rail link, one windy crappy road with a million traffic lights and speed camersa and one tiny bridge over the Spit. It has nothing to do with sport really. Most people up there do the trip 10 times a week anyway, two times more even in any week would just about send most of them over the edge. They stay home and watch it on the box or go down the Harbord hilton. Who can blame them. But you want to tell them that on the weekend instead of enjoying their beautiful environs, the beaches and bushlands (which is after all the reason they live there) that they should spend their time heading to and from Homebush of all places? good luck.

Problem with that comment that ''people have to do their part' is that its always the other guy who has to do their part, not the one making the comment. Why should a Manly or Cronulla or Penrith supporter have to do 'their part' when all the goodies are being supplied to the inner city people. Why shouldnt the stadiums be built at Palm Beach, or Wanda Beach or Emu Plains and the inner city people do 'their part' and come there. What gives Liverpool the right to precedence over any other part of Sydney. People lived in those outer areas well before the stadium was buld. They didnt choose to live a great distance from it. The Government just chose to build it there. What if the Government had built it at Narrabeen instead. Would you be doing your part and travelling from Liverpool. But sorry Dee Why liver, 'you've got to do your part and put up with travel' while others dont have to do their part and travel. I'd like to see someone in Liverpool do their part and travel to Avalon instead. By the way I live in Berala near the Stadium so this is not about me, its about supporters in general and being fair to all, not just to those fortunate to live near these sporting monoliths that just happen to have been built in Sydney's west