History reveals inconsistencies in jersey numbers

By sheek / Roar Guru

Wallaby legend David Campese has stirred The Roar pot lately. Firstly, he suggested very few modern players would have made it in his day.

This created a suitable bushfire among the younger generation, which was fueled by David Lord when he argued only two current players would make a composite Wallaby team of the past 28 years.

However, while I might wade into this discussion another day, what caught my eye was the persistent argument that Campo was predominately a left-winger. He wasn’t.

Campo played in three jerseys during his Wallaby career – 15, 14 and 11. He played 101 tests for Australia and scored 64 tries. This much of course, most people know.

Of his 101 tests, 16 were at fullback and 85 on the wing. But this is where it gets murky.

Campo made his test debut in 1982 against the All Blacks on the left wing wearing number 11. He was a replacement for the great left-winger Brendan Moon, who had declared himself unavailable.

This above piece of info is relevant, so hang onto it.

When Moon returned to the national team in 1983-86 he regained the left-wing and no.11, while Campo mostly played right wing and number 14.

In 1987, with Moon injured and retired, Campo reverted to playing mostly on the left-wing and number 14, and occasionally at fullback. The right-wing was shared by Peter Grigg and Matt Burke.

When Bob Dwyer regained the Wallabies coaching role in 1988, Campo continued to play the left-wing with Ian Williams on the right, following the move of Burke to league and Grigg into retirement.

When Campo’s pass to Greg Martin was dropped in the ingoal against the Lions in 1989, this occurred on the left side of the Australian field. Lions right-winger Euen Evans raced through to touch down.

Sometime in 1990 or 91, Campo reverted back to the right wing. Indeed, he played both the 1991 and 95 World Cups on the right wing, as well the years in between.

Campo requested from his coach, and his wish was given, that he play every remaining test in the number 11 jersey, irrespective of which wing he was on.

Campo was obviously a sentimental soul, as number 11 was the first Wallaby jersey he wore.

At the 1991 World Cup, Campo was held short of the line in the quarter-final. His flick pass behind was picked up off the ground by Michael Lynagh who scored with no time left. This happened in the right corner.

Campo’s “hail mary” pass to Tim Horan in the semi-final happened on the right side of the field.

His brilliant individual try in this same match saw him run diagonally from off his right wing to touch down in the left corner.

In 1992, I have a photo of Campo diving across the line for his 50th try, against the Boks, wearing the number 11 shirt. This happened in the right corner.

Also in 1992, when the other Wallaby winger Paul Carozza had his nose smashed by Richard Loe after scoring a try, this happened on the left-side.

In 1994, Jeff Wilson stepped around Damian Smith and was about to score the winning try for the All Blacks, before George Gregan knocked it out of his grasp.

Smith was Australia’s left-winger and Wilson NZ’s right-winger.

A Roarer recently brought up the incident at the 1995 World Cup pool game whereby Boks winger Pieter Hendricks waved at Campo as he crossed for a try. Hendricks was the Boks left-winger and Campo the Wallabies right winger.

It would take some keen detective work to work out exactly how many tests Campo played on each wing, but I suspect he played on the right wing 40-60 percent of the time.

In any case, when discussing all-time teams, the beauty of Campo is that he can be chosen on either wing, since he played often enough on each.

So if you thought hopping onto this website would give you the definitive answers as to which players lined up in which positions, it isn’t always cut and dried.

Here’s another example – out of the famous English centre pairing of Will Carling and Jeremy Guscott, who played inside and who played outside?

Trawling the history books won’t help but only confuse you more.

Will Carling ,the inside centre, wore the number 13 jersey, while Jeremy Guscott, the outside centre, wore the number 12 jersey.

Why? Because Guscott was superstitious, and didn’t want to wear number 13. Carling, who wasn’t superstitious, was therefore happy to swap numbers.

Here’s yet another example – against the grain of most other countries, the Springboks have their flankers the other way around.

Their openside flanker wears number six, while their blindside flanker wears number seven. This is different to most other countries.

The Boks winning captain of 1995 Francois Pienaar – once photographed with Nelson Mandela with both wearing his famous number six jersey – was actually the openside flanker, while Ruben Kruger, wearing number seven, was the blindside flanker.

It took me some cross-reading to finally convince myself that of the famous Boks flankers of the 60s – Jan Ellis and Piet Greyling – Ellis was the openside and Greyling the blindside.

The use of numbers, and their consistency of use, has taken a long time to come about. It was only in 1992/93 that the standardisation of numbers occurred.

But the Boks, as we see above, continue to number their flankers differently. And certain individuals will probably continue to do the same.

Replacements numbers (16-22) originally started at fullback and went to hooker before reversing as they do now, starting at hooker (16) to fullback or outside back 22.

Numbers were apparently first worn in a New Zealand versus Queensland game in 1897. New Zealand wore 1-15 and Queensland 16-30.

In the 1920s, the home unions began wearing numbers in internationals, but the practice didn’t become common until after WW2.

For example, in 1928, in a match between England and Scotland, a spectating King George V enquired as to why the Scottish players weren’t numbered like their English counterparts.

James Aikman Smith, president of the then SFU, pompously replied that “this, Sir, is a rugby match not a cattle sale”.

In the 1950s and 60s, although numbering had became widespread, different countries followed different systems.

France and Ireland adopted the system that would eventually become universal, with loosehead as number one and fullback as number 15. But New Zealand and Australia had loosehead as number 15 and fullback as number one.

Meanwhile, England, Scotland, Wales and South Africa had loosehead as number eight, the eightman as no.15 or 14, while the backs numbered seven from halfback to one for fullback.

It wasn’t until until 1967 that the numbering system mostly in use today was finally agreed upon.

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2019-10-30T10:23:20+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Only 4 years late, but I acknowledge I got Jan Ellis & Piet Greyling mixed up. Greyling was the open side style flanker & Ellis the blindside style flanker.

2012-05-17T15:54:35+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


Nice stories. Incidentally, as an aside - I recall reading years ago that Simon Shaw, always England's forgotten man during the Martin Johnson period, dyed his hair bleach blond in order to catch the notice of selectors.

2012-05-15T23:14:59+00:00

Crazy Horse

Guest


Well of course Campo would want to be identified as an 11. It is after all the most important position in the team :-) . I am not at all biased by the fact that this is where I played most of my senior rugby after being promoted from 7.

2012-05-15T22:59:12+00:00

nickoldschool

Roar Guru


jean prat was nicknamed monsieur rugby, not monsieur france @sheek

2012-05-15T22:39:44+00:00

sheek

Guest


Ben, In 1981 in Australia Rives missed the 1st test (Brisbane) because of his shoulder injury, but played in the 2nd test (Sydney) even though it was obvious from early on that he was in pain, with his shoulder often hunched over. When they pick an all-time french XV, the flankers are usually Jean Prat (1946-55) & Jean-Pierre Rives (1975-84). Prat is also usually nominated as captain. Which is saying something for Prat (Monsieur France) because Rives is one of the most courageous & inspirational players I've seen.

2012-05-15T22:25:19+00:00

nickoldschool

Roar Guru


no worries. my comment was more for Sheek as he seems to think Rives was an openside flanker and he clearly wasnt. had forgotten about the shoulder injuries. As kids, we all had posters of him with blood on this jersey. that was rugby. good memories

2012-05-15T21:48:20+00:00

Moaman

Guest


Ben S I attended a match at the old,cold Athletic Park in Welington (1979?) and saw Rives go down with what was to become (or had become) his chronic shoulder problem.I recall thinking at the time that he was" doing a hollywood" -time-wasting etc and learning later that he had played on with a dislocation.I felt a sense of shame that I had joined the general mocking in my part of the stand.He was one of those players with a blond mane that caught your eye on the field and seemed all the more outstanding because of it.Saw David Duckham as a schoolkid with the '71 Lions as another example.

2012-05-15T11:49:22+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


I've read this, but France have also deployed pilferers intermittently, and these players have been designated the 6 jersey, as is true of Argentina and SA. Prior to Brussow Corne Krige was probably the last over the ball 7, so I see what you're saying.

2012-05-15T11:46:17+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


Sure, I know of him, sheek, just forgot re: the number. Because I grew up after that era it's always been hard for me to find much footage of guys like JPR, Paparemborde, Cholley and Jean-Claude Skrela, but I've always been fascinated by that era of French rugby. Tales of JPR playing against Australia with a shoulder that kept dislocating... Or was it New Zealand?

2012-05-15T11:44:07+00:00

sheek

Guest


Thanks guys for the kind comments. I think history is very important, & I try to contribute my share of it for the benefit of others.

2012-05-15T11:43:06+00:00

sheek

Guest


Brett - wonderful story - loved it!

2012-05-15T10:37:30+00:00

brumbies2003

Roar Rookie


Interesting article, it makes you wonder on the accuracy of history books, given most people associate positions with numbers. Awesome research though. Very impressed.

2012-05-15T09:47:58+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Sheek, just on the use of letters instead of numbers, and this is obviously a long way from the top level, but about 20 years ago out in the Riverina, the superbly named and even better-jerseyed Leeton Phantoms went with letters for a few seasons. But they didn't go A-B-C and so on, but rather (from 1-15) P-H-A-N-T-O-M-S-R-U-G-B-Y-F-C! Genius, and looked great when they lined up for the obligatory pre-game handshakes. The ressies then wore random letters which allowed them to make up other words too, and the running joke when a forward replacement wearing 'I' went on was they would go into rolling mauls using their S-H-I-T formation! God love country rugby humour ;-)

2012-05-15T09:16:25+00:00

King of the Gorgonites

Roar Guru


A west country stalwart has informed me that they have used roman numerals at times in their amateur days. Makes sense with the roman baths etc......

2012-05-15T09:12:42+00:00

King of the Gorgonites

Roar Guru


I knew it was somebody, but I swear I saw an old photo where at least for one game they did.

2012-05-15T09:06:51+00:00

mervn grimley

Guest


Didn't campo once call himself the first millionaire (amateur) rugby player. Italy helped out with that

2012-05-15T07:17:31+00:00

peterlala

Guest


Sheek, good story. Very enjoyable read.

2012-05-15T05:00:09+00:00

Moaman

Guest


Hey! Interesting piece Sheek! Very enjoyable read.....it did cross my mind that as Campo was the giver of a "Hail Mary Pass" maybe the real problem with modern -day players is that there just aren't enough 'Believers' amongst them!

2012-05-15T04:07:55+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


well played FOS, very good..

2012-05-15T03:25:41+00:00

Rugby Fan

Roar Guru


Bristol & Leicester, not Bath. Bath & Richmond both had no no.13 shirt.

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